[lac-discuss-es] Asiento de junta de ICANN

Alejandro Pisanty apisanty en gmail.com
Mie Mar 12 00:01:56 UTC 2014


José,

como dijo el filósofo, "ahí está el detalle".

Dado que es tu obligación estatutaria consultar antes de ejercer este
importante voto, introduzco la amable sugerencia de que lo hagas con
claridad, orden y equidad.

El inesperado mensaje directo de Alan a la lista puede indicar algo
diferente. No nos enredemos más; por ello mi sugerencia.

Saludos cordiales

Alejandro Pisanty


On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 4:38 PM, José Francisco Arce <
josefranciscoarce en gmail.com> wrote:

> Estimados,
>
>      Para clarificar la cuestión les voy a decir que el mail que respondí a
> Alan fue público y dice que yo personalmente voy a consultar a la región
> que quiere hacer, a lo mejor de la discusión interna salía la necesidad de
> una llamada (con uno, todos o algunos).
>      Debido a que yo dije que consultaría con ustedes se interpreto varias
> cosas que llevaron a la discusión errónea. Tal como le dije a Alejandro,
> escuchemos que quiere la región.
>      Alan fue el único candidato que se puso en contacto directo con los
> miembros de LACRALO, pero esto no quiere decir excluir a los otros en un
> futuro intercambio de ideas o preguntas.
>      Ahora, si algunos de ustedes estuvieron en la llamada de los
> candidatos, me parece muy bien (pero no todos tuvieron esa oportunidad),
> pero mi misión es tratar de dar igualdad de oportunidades a todos los
> miembros y quizás muchos de los que no participaron quieren esa opción, yo
> no puedo descartarla. Mañana no es con los candidatos sino para saber los
> criterios que debe tener el candidato "ideal".
>
>      Reitero, hay que dar oportunidades a todos los miembros al acceso
> directo (llamada) o indirecto (mail o wiki) a interactuar con los
> candidatos. Es una desición importante la que debe tomar LACRALO y debe
> estar basada en el conocimiento y la argumentación de las posiciones, solo
> asi el debate interno será el más correcto, desde mi punto de vista.
>
> Saludos
>
> José Arce.-
>
>
>
>
>
> 2014-03-11 18:10 GMT-03:00 Alan Greenberg <greenberg.alan en gmail.com>:
>
> > To be clear, I was not asking for a teleconference. In a discussion with
> > José Arce, José suggested that I tell LACRALO members about me, and that
> is
> > why I sent the message.
> >
> > Google Traductor: Para que quede claro, yo no estaba pidiendo una
> > teleconferencia. En una discusión con José Arce, José sugirió que le
> digo a
> > los miembros de LACRALO sobre mí, y es por eso que envié el mensaje.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> > At 11/03/2014 04:17 PM, Fatima Cambronero wrote:
> >
> >> José, todos,
> >>
> >> Yo no estoy entendiendo muy bien qué es lo que se está planteando, lo
> que
> >> me lleva a hacerme varias preguntas:
> >> ¿Por qué tendríamos una llamada sólo con Alan, que es uno de los
> >> candidatos, y no con los otros cuatro candidatos?
> >> ¿Por qué necesitamos una llamada adicional con un candidato, cuando ya
> >> hubo
> >> una llamada con todos los candidatos, mañana hay otra llamada y hay una
> >> Wiki que ha sido creada para poder hacerle preguntas a todos los
> >> candidatos?
> >>
> >> Si lo que se está consultando es si queremos tener una llamada solamente
> >> con Alan, que es uno de los candidatos, no estoy de acuerdo. Considero
> que
> >> debemos escuchar a todos los candidatos por igual.
> >> Y si se está consultando si queremos tener una llamada adicional para
> >> LACRALO con todos los candidatos, personalmente no lo veo necesario. En
> la
> >> llamada que hay mañana hay interpretación al español, se puede
> participar
> >> allí y hacer las preguntas que se consideren apropiadas para dirigir el
> >> voto que luego emita el Chair de LACRALO en nombre de la región.
> >> Aunque si los demás miembros de LACRALO entienden que tener esta llamada
> >> adicional es necesario para emitir su opinión, adelante con ella.
> >>
> >> Saludos cordiales,
> >> Fatima Cambronero
> >>
> >>
> >> 2014-03-11 17:03 GMT-03:00 <cveraq en gmail.com>:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]]
> >> >
> >> >  Asunto: Re: Asiento de junta de ICANN
> >> >  De: cveraq en gmail.com
> >> >
> >> >  Seria Llamada Una interesante y Oportuna
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >  Carlos Vera Quintana
> >> >  0988141143
> >> >  Sígueme @ cveraq
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > El 11/03/2014, a las 14:49, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty en gmail.com>
> >> > escribió:
> >> > >
> >> > > José,
> >> > >
> >> > > buenos puntos de discusión. Oigamos a la comunidad.
> >> > >
> >> > > Alejandro Pisanty
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 1:11 PM, <josefranciscoarce en gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]]
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Asunto: Re: Asiento de junta de ICANN
> >> > >> De: josefranciscoarce en gmail.com
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Estimado Alejandro,
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Gracias por el Correo. Lo tuyo es Una propuesta? Consultaremos La
> >> Misma
> >> > un
> >> > >> la región y actuare conforne
> >> > >> Recuerden Que Yo sin nada definio, Solo la región desiciones Tomar
> >> > >> Florerias.
> >> > >> Los Miembros Individuales no hay votantes hijo, Pero si el
> >> presidente en
> >> > >> Nombre de la
> >> > >> región, Casi lo Mismo.
> >> > >> Solo Queda sable Si La región QUIERE Llamada Una Con Los postulados
> >> > >> (QUIZAS
> >> > >> Todos no Quieran), Alguna Otra propuesta o Simplemente discutiremos
> >> ESTO
> >> > >> en la Lista.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Saludos
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> José Arce
> >> > >> El 11 de marzo 2014 14:46, &quot;Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
> Baruch&quot; <
> >> > >> apisan en unam.mx>
> >> > >> escribi:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> José,
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> como se dice popularmente en México, "o todos coludos o todos
> >> rabones".
> >> > >>> ¿Con qué reglas o criterios, si no hay reglas escritas, piensas
> que
> >> se
> >> > >>> conduzcan las campañas hacia LACRALOb de los competidores de ALAC
> >> por
> >> > el
> >> > >>> Asiento 15 del Board? Estas reglas tendrían que ser equitativas,
> >> > >>> transparentes, y concretas en cuanto al resultado ya que los
> >> miembros
> >> > de
> >> > >>> LACRALO no somos votantes directos en esa elección.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Alejandro Pisanty
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >> > >>>     Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
> >> > >>> Facultad de Química UNAM
> >> > >>> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> +525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475
> >> > >>> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
> >> > >>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
> >> > >>> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
> >> > >>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
> >> > >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
> >> > >>> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
> >> > >>> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> ________________________________________
> >> > >>> Desde: lac-discuss-en-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org [
> >> > >>> lac-discuss-en-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de José
> >> > >>> Francisco Arce [josefranciscoarce en gmail.com]
> >> > >>> Enviado el: martes, 11 de marzo de 2014 05:37
> >> > >>> Hasta: Alan Greenberg
> >> > >>> CC: LACRALO discussion list
> >> > >>> Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-en] ICANN Board seat
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Dear Alan, all
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Thanks for your kind email, and for let us know your general
> >> > background.
> >> > >> I
> >> > >>> will ask the region if they have questions or prefer a personal
> call
> >> > with
> >> > >>> you to have direct contac, after review all the candidance´s
> >> profiles.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Kind regards
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> José Arce
> >> > >>> LACRALO Chair
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> 2014-03-11 1:59 GMT-03:00 Alan Greenberg <
> greenberg.alan en gmail.com
> >> >:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>> Dear colleagues,
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> I  apologize for not being able to write in both Spanish and
> >> English.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> The At-Large Board member cannot "represent" the ALAC or
> At-Large.
> >> > Once
> >> > >>>> appointed, the director is there purely on his/her own. However,
> we
> >> > >> were
> >> > >>>> given a seat on the Board to allow the issues relevant to users
> to
> >> be
> >> > >>>> factored into the debates. To do that, a person must be selected
> >> who
> >> > >> can
> >> > >>>> best represent those interests.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> My ICANN history
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> - 8 years as a volunteer to At-Large, 6 on the ALAC, 8 years as
> >>  ALAC
> >> > >>>> Liaison to the GNSO. I have also held several leadership roles on
> >> the
> >> > >>> ALAC.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> - I have worked very hard to make At-Large respected within
> ICANN.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> - I have been the principal author of many of the statements
> >> issues by
> >> > >>> the
> >> > >>>> ALAC over the last 8 years demonstrating my understanding of the
> >> > issues
> >> > >>>> important to At-Large.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> - Although I obviously do not agree with some ICANN
> participants, I
> >> > >> have
> >> > >>>> developed good working relationships with people in many diverse
> >> areas
> >> > >> of
> >> > >>>> ICANN.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> Professional background:
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> - Over 30 years as a software developer and senior manager at
> >> McGill
> >> > >>>> University.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> - I was part of the small group that brought the Internet to
> >> Canada.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> - I have volunteered in a number of professional organizations
> >> prior
> >> > to
> >> > >>>> ICANN, including being a Board member for the Internet Society.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> - I spent 6 years as a volunteer to the Internet Society working
> >> with
> >> > >> and
> >> > >>>> then running their Network Training Courses for people from
> >> developing
> >> > >>>> countries. We trained people from over 140 countries who were
> >> > >>> instrumental
> >> > >>>> in bringing the Internet to their countries. Alumni include
> >> government
> >> > >>>> ministers, ICANN Board members and ICANN employees. Most
> countries
> >> in
> >> > >>>> Central America, South America and the Caribbean attended and
> >> courses
> >> > >> in
> >> > >>>> Spanish were also run in South America.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> - After my retirement from McGill, I spent several years
> >> consulting on
> >> > >>> the
> >> > >>>> use of technology in developing economies (ICT4D), and worked in
> >> > >> Africa,
> >> > >>>> South Asia and Central America.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> Strengths related to the Board position:
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> - I have a very strong understanding of ICANN and its various
> >> > >> components,
> >> > >>>> of At-Large, and of the needs of Internet users.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> - I have a proven ability to work with others, and to influence
> >> > >> outcomes.
> >> > >>>> I am generally viewed as a thoughtful and articulate person, and
> I
> >> am
> >> > >> in
> >> > >>> a
> >> > >>>> very strong position to enter the Board and immediately be
> >> effective.
> >> > >>> Three
> >> > >>>> of my references for my Expression of Interest for this Board
> >> position
> >> > >>> were
> >> > >>>> current or former ICANN Board members, and their endorsements
> speak
> >> > >> well
> >> > >>> to
> >> > >>>> my ability to quickly become an effective Board member.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> - My background with both the ISOC training workshops and my
> ICT4D
> >> > >>>> consulting have made me acutely aware of the issues that are
> >> important
> >> > >> in
> >> > >>>> the developing world.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> - I am free of any relationship with those who stand to make
> money
> >> off
> >> > >> of
> >> > >>>> ICANN's decisions, and will not have any conflicts in carrying
> out
> >> my
> >> > >>>> mandate.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> - My track record of dedication (in both time and effort) to
> ICANN
> >> and
> >> > >>>> At-Large is well known, and I will put the same energy into
> >> presenting
> >> > >>> the
> >> > >>>> needs of users on the Board.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> I do not believe that any other candidate can match all of my
> >> > >>>> qualifications and I will not only be a good Board member, but an
> >> > >>>> outstanding At-Large Board member.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> If I am selected, I can make a number of commitments:
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> - I promise to stay in touch with the ALAC, At-Large and RALOs,
> >> > through
> >> > >>>> both face-to-face meetings and teleconferences. That is the only
> >> way
> >> > to
> >> > >>>> ensure that I am aware of issues important to At-Large.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> - You will regularly hear from me about Board activities and my
> >> > >>>> participation, and raising issues that I believe that At-Large
> may
> >> > want
> >> > >>> to
> >> > >>>> focus on.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> - I will work to make sure that the bottom-up nature of ICANN is
> >> > >>> preserved
> >> > >>>> in fact and not only in words. This is key to ICANN's ability to
> >> > >> continue
> >> > >>>> to exist and meet its obligations.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> - While on the Board, I will work hard to increase its
> >> transparency,
> >> > to
> >> > >>>> make sure that users issues are considered, and to ensure more
> >> > >>>> participation in ICANN from people who are not funded by
> companies
> >> and
> >> > >>> who
> >> > >>>> do not speak English. Both of these were important proposals
> that I
> >> > >>> fought
> >> > >>>> for in the ATRT2 Report (http://www.icann.org/en/
> >> > >>>> about/aoc-review/atrt/final-recommendations-31dec13-en.pdf or
> >> > >>>> http://www.icann.org/es/about/aoc-review/atrt/final-
> >> > >>>> recommendations-31dec13-es.pdf, page 9-11, section 10.3 and 10.5)
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> I will be happy to answer any questions.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> Regards, Alan
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> _______________________________________________
> >> > >>>> lac-discuss-en mailing list
> >> > >>>> lac-discuss-en en atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >> > >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> --
> >> > >>> Arce, José F.
> >> > >>> http://lnkd.in/bPdTThz
> >> > >>> _______________________________________________
> >> > >>> lac-discuss-en mailing list
> >> > >>> lac-discuss-en en atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >> > >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > [[--Original text (en)
> >> > http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/3307895843.html
> >> > --]]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
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> >> >
> >> > http://www.lacralo.org
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> *Fatima Cambronero*
> >> Abogada-Argentina
> >>
> >> Phone: +54 9351 5282 668
> >> Twitter: @facambronero
> >> Skype: fatima.cambronero
> >>
> >> *Join the LACRALO/ICANN discussions:*
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>
> >
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>
>
> --
> Arce, José F.
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