[lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter certification

[Alejandro Pisanty]

Carlton, all,

the concept with which we - mostly Esther Dyson and Denise Michel, then 
the Evolution and Reform Committee which I chaired in the early 2000's - 
designed the present At-Large representation and participation is "web of 
trust."

The system can still be gamed and trust may be abused. A stronger 
ree-certification process would be advisable in a next round of review.

But, more trnasparency, more airing of the real representation and impact 
of the organizations, and less rhetoric, will surely help this system to 
work better, and allay the patent need for refounding of LACRALO. More 
focus on the job to be done and on building the capacity to do it has 
never been more vital.

Let's recover he essential tasks from the fatally doomed General Assembly 
as well. While at this, let me call on those people who are presenting 
candidatures to an election that may never take place to put forward their 
platforms, just in case. Less names, more action, ideas, and 
accountability.

Alejandro Pisanty

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On Fri, 6 Apr 2012, Carlton Samuels wrote:

> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 01:27:34 -0500
> From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels en gmail.com>
> To: carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62 en hotmail.com>
> Cc: At-Large Staff <staff en atlarge.icann.org>,
>     lac-discuss-es en atlarge-lists.icann.org,
>     lac-discuss-en en atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] Internet Society Trinidad and
>     	Tobago Chapter certification
> 
> The challenge with the Due Diligence phase of the ALS application is the
> dependence on prior knowledge of the applicant either thru
> publicly-available sources or via  private sources, mostly thru one-to-one
> personal contacts. When I was Secretariat, we turned to sources as
> different as LACNIC and ISOC representatives for help.
>
> Sometimes the publicly-available sources, like websites and such, are less
> than useful.  And private sources are always open to compromise.  I recall
> in the past, for example, lots of ill-will to an ICANN regional
> representative because of his reporting of negative information he received
> from his sources about an applicant.
>
> Caught between a rock and a hard place.  But short of a forensic routine,
> this is the best we have at the minute.
>
> - Carlton
>
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> Carlton A Samuels
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> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*
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>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 6:01 PM, carlos dionisio aguirre <
> carlosaguirre62 en hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Interesting.
>> Something to be revised, in my humble point of view.
>> The question is:  When the Individual end user of LAC region could make
>> observation to the procedure on the ALS applications?.
>> Today, only the ALSs and Staff can analize application forms, I think we
>> need to extend the due dilligence to every individual end user (thirds
>> party) who want to say something over ALS applications.
>> I think This is a truly Transparency & could give solution to few our
>> problems on this sense. When everybody know about what happen and can give
>> opinion, for this is needed the real & effective communication of facts for
>> all, and not only for the actors.
>> My position on this point, is general and abstract and nothing have to do
>> directly with the T&T ISOC  application .
>> A thought  in a loud voice: What excellent lost opportunity was the GA in
>> Costa Rica to change & to make better our OPs.
>> Carlos Dionisio Aguirre
>> NCA GNSO Council - ICANN
>> former ALAC member by LACRALO
>> Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios
>> Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina -
>> *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423
>> http://ar.ageiadensi.org
>>
>>
>>> From: staff en atlarge.icann.org
>>> To: lac-discuss-en en atlarge-lists.icann.org;
>> lac-discuss-es en atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:23:59 -0700
>>> Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter
>>      certification
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> The Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter was certified on
>> 14-Mar-2012 at the At-Large Regional Leadership Meeting which took place
>> from 12:30 - 14:00, while the first LACRALO General Assembly was
>> 14-Mar-2012 from 17:00-18:00.
>>>
>>> To clarify, once the ALAC approves an applicant, the applicant is
>> accredited.
>>>
>>> The email welcoming the Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter was
>> simply a courtesy email welcoming the ALS to At-Large.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and
>> Nathalie Peregrine
>>> ICANN At-Large Staff
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