[lac-discuss-es] Bienvenido a la ICANN At-Large!
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Asunto: Re: Bienvenido a la ICANN At-Large!
De: carlosaguirre62 en hotmail.com
Jacqueline. por favor, comprenda mi Punto de vista, abre tu mente, no es un documento legal
posición. normas y procesos necesita una actualización permanente. Todo
esto debido a la evolución y los problemas que surgen en el movimiento para
el futuro. cambios se produce. Sé que hay Grupo de Trabajo en curso, le da más sentido a lo que digo.
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre
NCA Consejo de la GNSO - ICANN
el ex miembro de ALAC por LACRALO
Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios
Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Córdoba - Argentina -
* 54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423
http://ar.ageiadensi.org
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:26:12 -0400
> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
> From: jam en jacquelinemorris.com
> To: carlosaguirre62 en hotmail.com
> CC: josefranciscoarce en gmail.com; lac-discuss-en en atlarge-lists.icann.org
>
> Carlos,
> Please...
> Read the rules, read the process, read the archives, the precedents,
> and read the response from the staff. It's not just my POV, it's the
> actual process. It's put down in plain language, not legalese. It has
> been followed for every single one of he ALSes currently accredited.
> To try to make a change now is passing strange. What about the other
> ALSes that were accredited at the same meeting on March 14th; or even
> all the other ALSes that were accredited. For example, we can refer to
> the AF and EU Ralo meetings in Lisbon in 2007, or the LAC and NA
> meetings in San Juan also in 2007, at which ALSes were accredited and
> immediately participated in meetings and decisions without any
> courtesy email being sent.
> Or any of the other ALSes who NEVER received a courtesy email upon
> accreditation, as this process was not in place until after the first
> RALOs were formed.
>
> Of course, if you wish to implement such rules, in the interest of
> transparency as you say, there are working groups currently in
> progress that are looking at things like this. Join one, or more than
> one.
>
> Jacqueline A. Morris
> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and
> Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 5:36 PM, carlos dionisio aguirre
> <carlosaguirre62 en hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Jaqueline: What Carlos said is true! only different than your point of
> > view. On the other side, Applicant Organizations becomes an ALS via a
> > certain
> > process. That process NOT FINISH, or at least COULD NOT FINISH with the vote
> > of the ALAC. All of this because the communication of this act, after to be
> > it done, is esential to give publicity (TO ALL) of the same fact. This is
> > TRANSPARENCY ! - a true transparency -
> >
> > Im very Interested on my near future participation, to create a WG or
> > something like that, in charge to control and to do interpretation of Bylaws
> > rules and O.P rules, because there are many rules unfulfilled or violated in
> > many ICANN ACs/SOs, and there are no sanctions for that, this is, on my
> > point of view, a serious situation to solve. Im seeing a very strange manage
> > of the rules and using it in order to satisfy some interests.
> >
> > I learnt in my ICANN life, that there are many opinions and differents
> > point of view, and not always my own opinion is the best, perhaps many
> > others understand this. Im sure we can build a better organization.
> >
> >
> > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre
> > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN
> > former ALAC member by LACRALO
> > Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios
> > Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina -
> > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423
> > http://ar.ageiadensi.org
> >
> >
> >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:07:13 -0400
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
> >> From: jam en jacquelinemorris.com
> >> To: josefranciscoarce en gmail.com
> >> CC: carlosaguirre62 en hotmail.com; lac-discuss-en en atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >
> >>
> >> Jose
> >> Sorry to have to disagree with you, but what Carlos wrote is NOT true.
> >>
> >> The rules are very clear. An ALS becomes an ALS via a certain
> >> process. That process TERMINATES with the vote of the ALAC.
> >> That vote in favor of the organisation becoming an ALS, and that vote
> >> ALONE is what is necessary to have an organisation become a ALS and
> >> hence part of the RALO structure.
> >> As such, all the ALSes certified in the vote on March 14th were, at
> >> the close of the vote and the announcement of the results of such
> >> vote, ALSes, and welcomed as such into the At Large by the Chair of
> >> the ALAC. I was there, I saw it happen. There can be no dispute as to
> >> whether those ALSes were, from that moment, active and participating
> >> ALSes in the RALO system.
> >>
> >> So, given that the GA began AFTER that vote, all ALSes certified by
> >> ALAC, including those certified on the same day, were eligible to
> >> participate, and did so.
> >>
> >> It's extremely clear on reading the documents, as is the fact that the
> >> Welcome email that sparked all this circular discussion and
> >> supposition is a Welcome email to the new ALS, a COURTESY, that
> >> explains a bit about the AtLarge. It has nothing to do with the
> >> process of certifying an organisation to be an ALS or not.
> >>
> >> Jacqueline A. Morris
> >> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and
> >> Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:46 AM, José Francisco Arce
> >> <josefranciscoarce en gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > It is true what Carlos Aguirre said about the previous notificatión and
> >> > publicity, but what happend in this particulary situation is that in
> >> > Costa
> >> > Rica the President and Secretariat of LACRALO were ask for the regional
> >> > advice for ISOC T&T, and then ALAC voted for that. When ISOC T&T was
> >> > aprove,
> >> > the presidnte of that organization ask me personally if it would be
> >> > possible
> >> > that ISOC T&T can participate in the events in Costa Rica. I found no
> >> > reason
> >> > to deny this request, ALAC desicion had already been taken, and
> >> > representatives were there in the meeting. So notificatión and publicity
> >> > was
> >> > taken because the ALAC meeting is public and everyone should have been
> >> > there.
> >> >
> >> > Maybe was my mistake for not send an information email to the list
> >> > adressing
> >> > this issue to formalize it.
> >> >
> >> > Please let me know if someone have any doubt about this.
> >> >
> >> > Kind Regards
> >> >
> >> > Jose Arce.-
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2012/4/5 carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62 en hotmail.com>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Jacqueline. The communication, more than to be a simple courtesy, is
> >> >> important for a validity of act, because it give notice to our end
> >> >> users in
> >> >> the region, and All around the world, of the ALS certification and
> >> >> give the
> >> >> transparency needed and mandatory in our ICANN bylaws. After to notify
> >> >> the
> >> >> ALS certification, and not receive it any objection, the ALS can
> >> >> participate
> >> >> actively. Before that, the act of certification is unknown for the end
> >> >> users
> >> >> and the transparency needed is not completed.
> >> >> It is my point of view, and of course could be discussed. Carlos
> >> >> Dionisio
> >> >> Aguirre
> >> >> NCA GNSO Council - ICANN
> >> >> former ALAC member by LACRALO
> >> >> Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios
> >> >> Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina -
> >> >> *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423
> >> >> http://ar.ageiadensi.org
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:53:15 -0400
> >> >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
> >> >> From: jam en jacquelinemorris.com
> >> >> To: carlosaguirre62 en hotmail.com
> >> >> CC: lac-discuss-en en atlarge-lists.icann.org; cintra.sooknanan en gmail.com
> >> >>
> >> >> As I'm not a lawyer, maybe there's something I missed, but from what I
> >> >> know as ALAC procedures, from sitting on both the Interim ALAC, as well
> >> >> as
> >> >> ALAC and being Chair of both, the ALS is certified at the end of the
> >> >> ALAC
> >> >> vote, and fully able to participate, and the welcome email is simply a
> >> >> courtesy.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> However, given that Cintra was NOT the ISOCTT rep at the GA, but
> >> >> rather, a
> >> >> rep of an ALS certified since 2006, I think your point about her
> >> >> participation in the GA being null and void fails based on this reason
> >> >> as
> >> >> well.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> My $0.02
> >> >> Jacqueline
> >> >> On Apr 4, 2012 11:57 PM, "carlos dionisio aguirre"
> >> >> <carlosaguirre62 en hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your participatíon
> >> >> in
> >> >> LACRALO GA. All of this because as you know as lawyer, the previous
> >> >> notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in this
> >> >> case
> >> >> and due to lack of communicatión of ALS certification, your
> >> >> participatíon
> >> >> and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions must
> >> >> be
> >> >> revised.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to do
> >> >> the
> >> >> correct things.
> >> >>
> >> >> And i want to see who are responsible for serious errors commíted.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Carlos Aguirre.
> >> >>
> >> >> Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry®
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>
> >> >> From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan en gmail.com>
> >> >>
> >> >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36
> >> >>
> >> >> To: <lac-discuss-en en atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> >> >>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the
> >> >> general
> >> >>
> >> >> assembly and it was dealt with then.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the
> >> >>
> >> >> responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or
> >> >> staff
> >> >>
> >> >> to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify
> >> >>
> >> >> that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some delay
> >> >> (i'm
> >> >>
> >> >> assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this
> >> >> email.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Cintra
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo en gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
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> >> >> > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
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> >> >> > Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
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> >> >> > From: salgueiro.jo en gmail.com
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> > I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification of
> >> >>
> >> >> > acceptance of this
> >> >>
> >> >> > ALS is permitiparticipar that the Assembly three weeks ago.
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> >> >> > I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just
> >> >> > something
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> >> >> > is not clear when it comes to transparency
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> >> >> > JosOvidio Salgueiro A.
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> >> >> > salgueiro.jo @ gmail.com
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> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
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> >> >> > From: lac-discuss-es-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org
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> >> >> > At-Large Staff
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> >> >> > Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm
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> >> >> > To: Cintra Sooknanan
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> >> >> > CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es en atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev
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> >> >> > Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
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