[lac-discuss-es] mis comentarios relacionados con la Enmienda

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 Asunto: Re: mis comentarios relacionados con la Enmienda 
 De: carlton.samuels en gmail.com

 Estimado Alejandro: 
 Probablemente le diría a partir de mis comentarios, que aunque no se ofrecen 
 como propuestas de decisión como, sin embargo, no puedo apoyar las propuestas en juego. 


 En segundo lugar, es para aquellos que están haciendo las propuestas a fin de prepararlos en el 
 el modo y forma establecidos por las Reglas de Procedimiento LACRALO. 


 Y cuando los que se presentan como tales y llega el momento, me opondré 
 en el argumento. 


 Y si una división es llamado por el presidente y su esencia 
 siendo tal como se propone, votaré en contra de ellos. 


 - Carlton 


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 El lunes, 05 de marzo 2012 a las 3:37 PM, el Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <apisan en unam.mx
> wrote:
> Carlton,
>
> at this hour I think you will show those values much better by putting
> concrete proposals on the table, new or old.
>
> A esta hora, creo que el apego a esos valores se muestra mucho mejor
> poniendo sobre la mesa propuestas concretas, nuevas o viejas.
>
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> ________________________________________
> Desde: lac-discuss-es-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org [
> lac-discuss-es-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton
> Samuels [carlton.samuels en gmail.com]
> Enviado el: lunes, 05 de marzo de 2012 13:36
> Hasta: Vanda UOL
> CC: Heidi Ullrich; LAC DISCUSS; lac-discuss-es en atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] my comments related the
> ammendment
>
> Dear Vanda:
> When I saw the proposal and knowing the background on the so-called WG and
> the several proposals, I had concluded that what was eventually delivered
> was thorough cynicism. It was a vexation to the spirit. So I concluded that
> for me, the optimal response is that I shall be stuck 'mute of malice'.
>
> Seeing your contribution has allowed me the space to change my mind. I too
> share your general concerns with these proposals.   And I support the
> explanations you have provided in almost all their details, including the
> remedial suggestions.
>
> Your intervention demonstrates a deep understanding of the values we expect
> a multistakeholder governance model should project and the means by which
> that could be achieved.
>
>  Best,
> - Carlton
>
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> On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Vanda UOL <vanda en uol.com.br> wrote:
>
> > Here my analysis to share with you all related to the proposal
> amendments.
> > I
> > am not sure due my commit with NOMCOMM if I will will be able to
> > participate
> > in all sessions, so I decided to share my opinions with all of you.
> >
> > Point I have something to say in highlight below.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >  VANDA
> >
> >
> >  Points proposed by one group
> >
> > My comments
> >
> >
> > 1)      the right of ALSes to vote in LACRALO affairs determined by a
> > minimum level of participation
> >
> > This is positive
> >
> >
> > 2)       working languages expanded to French and Portuguese
> >
> > I don´t see need and may be too expensive.  But this is not a main
> concern.
> > ( but I don´t see APRALO working in the  more than 20 languages they have
> > there
> >
> >
> > 3)      removes the concept of operating by consensus
> >
> > >From my point of view this is against one of ICANN´s principle – build
> > consensus
> >
> >
> > 4)      creation of Vice President
> >
> >  Those persons  cannot be added to the normal representation at ALAC
> > without
> > the decision of ALAC itself.  Not for LACRALO to decide. See also below
> on
> > item  8
> >
> >
> > 5)      terms of President and Vice President eligible for two terms of 2
> > years each
> >
> > This make some sense, since representation in ALAC demands some degree of
> > learning, so one year is short term indeed.  But the second term  shall
> be
> > one  year to allow others to participate.
> >
> >
> > 6)      creation of Vice Secretariat position
> >
> > Same of vice president
> >
> >
> > 7)      LACRALO would elect 2 persons to serve on ALAC and 2 others as
> > their
> >
> > respective alternates (diversity requirements shall not apply to elected
> > ALAC member and their alternate).
> >
> >  I disagree  -  diversity shall apply. The principles of ICANN states on
> > diversity. The concentration of persons from just one country for
> instance,
> > is not democratic neither safe for the organization.  ( imagine if the
> two
> > big countries Mexico and Brazil decide to make a strong movement to take
> > over this group, can be control all the positions) really not safe. Must
> > have diversity.
> >
> >
> > 8)      The alternate or deputy can assume the ALAC rep in case of any
> > inability of the primary ALAC rep
> >
> > I believe this shall be submitted to ALAC, We cannot decide next time the
> > member sent to ALAC meeting is another…
> >
> >
> > 9)      the ALAC member can be re-elected for a 2nd two year term
> >
> > Reelection has the same principle  1 year for second term to allow others
> > to
> > participate.
> >
> >
> > 10)   creation of a LACRALO Directory or LACRALO Board with
> administrative
> > and operative functions. This will comprise the persons elected in
> LACRALO
> > (President, Vice-President, Secretary, Deputy Secretary, the two LACRALO
> > elected representatives to ALAC and their alternates) and five Policy
> > Directors who would lead different working groups within LACRALO and in
> > charge of selecting members within their working groups. Policy Directors
> > would be elected by the General Assembly by simple majority.
> >
> >
> >
> > In my opinion this will mean “ too much generals and no troops to
> command”
> > but no impact at all.
> >
> >  3 would be good – one member of Caribbean region and two from  Latin
> > region – too keep diversity and at same time be reasonable ( there is no
> > much members that really works in LACRALO so I don´t believe it will be
> > groups enough to work under 5 policy directors). But  not so relevant
> >
> >
> > 11)   establishing that elections can take place virtually
> >
> > This is good, but  needs clear tools must be available to avoid  one
> member
> > to  vote for all the ALSs under  its “command” -  only allow this after
> > check the security of the tool.
> >
> >
> > 12)     amendments would be applicable to existing mandates of President,
> > Secretary
> >
> > I am not in favor of that, only if was to have just one more year term.
> >
> > Application of the change in benefice of the existing elected members
> looks
> > manipulation.
> >
> > Same people can be candidate and be elected, but extending the mandate,
> > looks not democratic. That´s the way ditactors use to keeping in place…
> > Totally against.
> >
> >
> > 13)   The constitution of the Board of LACRALO be held after the first
> > election to be held immediately at the time of these amendments be
> > approved.
> >
> >  Not so relevant.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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