[lac-discuss-es] mis comentarios relacionados con la Enmienda

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 Asunto: Re: mis comentarios relacionados con la Enmienda 
 De: apisan en unam.mx

 Carlton, 


 a esta hora creo que va a mostrar esos valores mucho mejores presentando propuestas concretas sobre la mesa, nuevo o viejo. 


 Una Hora this, Creo Que El apego un OEN Valores sí Muestra Mucho Mejor Poniendo Sobre La Mesa propuestas concretas, Nuevas o viejas. 


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 DESDE: lac-discuss-es-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org [lac-discuss-es-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org] en Nombre de Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels @ gmail.com] 
 El Enviado: lunes, 05 de Marzo de 2012 13:36 
 Hasta: Vanda UOL 
 CC: Heidi Ullrich, ALC discutir; lac-discuss-es en atlarge-lists.icann.org 
 Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-es] mis comentarios relacionados con la Enmienda 


 Estimado Vanda: 
 Cuando vi la propuesta y conocer los antecedentes sobre el grupo de trabajo llamado y 
 las diversas propuestas, que llegó a la conclusión de que lo que fue entregado finalmente 
 era el cinismo profundo. Era un fastidio para el espíritu. Así que llegué a la conclusión de que 
 para mí, la respuesta óptima es que voy a estar pegado 'silencio de la maldad ". 


 Al ver su contribución me ha permitido el espacio para cambiar de opinión. Yo también 
 compartir sus preocupaciones generales con estas propuestas. Y yo apoyo a la 
 explicaciones que han dado en casi todos sus detalles, incluyendo la 
 correctivas propuestas.


 Su intervención demuestra un profundo conocimiento de los valores que esperamos 
 un modelo de múltiples partes interesadas de gobierno debe proyectar y medios por los cuales 
 que se podría lograr. 


 Mejor, 
 - Carlton 


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 El sábado, 03 de marzo 2012 a las 5:37 PM, Vanda UOL <vanda en uol.com.br> escribió: 


> Here my analysis to share with you all related to the proposal amendments.
> I
> am not sure due my commit with NOMCOMM if I will will be able to
> participate
> in all sessions, so I decided to share my opinions with all of you.
>
> Point I have something to say in highlight below.
>
> Thanks
>
>  VANDA
>
>
>  Points proposed by one group
>
> My comments
>
>
> 1)      the right of ALSes to vote in LACRALO affairs determined by a
> minimum level of participation
>
> This is positive
>
>
> 2)       working languages expanded to French and Portuguese
>
> I don´t see need and may be too expensive.  But this is not a main concern.
> ( but I don´t see APRALO working in the  more than 20 languages they have
> there
>
>
> 3)      removes the concept of operating by consensus
>
> >From my point of view this is against one of ICANN´s principle – build
> consensus
>
>
> 4)      creation of Vice President
>
>  Those persons  cannot be added to the normal representation at ALAC
> without
> the decision of ALAC itself.  Not for LACRALO to decide. See also below on
> item  8
>
>
> 5)      terms of President and Vice President eligible for two terms of 2
> years each
>
> This make some sense, since representation in ALAC demands some degree of
> learning, so one year is short term indeed.  But the second term  shall be
> one  year to allow others to participate.
>
>
> 6)      creation of Vice Secretariat position
>
> Same of vice president
>
>
> 7)      LACRALO would elect 2 persons to serve on ALAC and 2 others as
> their
>
> respective alternates (diversity requirements shall not apply to elected
> ALAC member and their alternate).
>
>  I disagree  -  diversity shall apply. The principles of ICANN states on
> diversity. The concentration of persons from just one country for instance,
> is not democratic neither safe for the organization.  ( imagine if the two
> big countries Mexico and Brazil decide to make a strong movement to take
> over this group, can be control all the positions) really not safe. Must
> have diversity.
>
>
> 8)      The alternate or deputy can assume the ALAC rep in case of any
> inability of the primary ALAC rep
>
> I believe this shall be submitted to ALAC, We cannot decide next time the
> member sent to ALAC meeting is another…
>
>
> 9)      the ALAC member can be re-elected for a 2nd two year term
>
> Reelection has the same principle  1 year for second term to allow others
> to
> participate.
>
>
> 10)   creation of a LACRALO Directory or LACRALO Board with administrative
> and operative functions. This will comprise the persons elected in LACRALO
> (President, Vice-President, Secretary, Deputy Secretary, the two LACRALO
> elected representatives to ALAC and their alternates) and five Policy
> Directors who would lead different working groups within LACRALO and in
> charge of selecting members within their working groups. Policy Directors
> would be elected by the General Assembly by simple majority.
>
>
>
> In my opinion this will mean “ too much generals and no troops to command”
> but no impact at all.
>
>  3 would be good – one member of Caribbean region and two from  Latin
> region – too keep diversity and at same time be reasonable ( there is no
> much members that really works in LACRALO so I don´t believe it will be
> groups enough to work under 5 policy directors). But  not so relevant
>
>
> 11)   establishing that elections can take place virtually
>
> This is good, but  needs clear tools must be available to avoid  one member
> to  vote for all the ALSs under  its “command” -  only allow this after
> check the security of the tool.
>
>
> 12)     amendments would be applicable to existing mandates of President,
> Secretary
>
> I am not in favor of that, only if was to have just one more year term.
>
> Application of the change in benefice of the existing elected members looks
> manipulation.
>
> Same people can be candidate and be elected, but extending the mandate,
> looks not democratic. That´s the way ditactors use to keeping in place…
> Totally against.
>
>
> 13)   The constitution of the Board of LACRALO be held after the first
> election to be held immediately at the time of these amendments be
> approved.
>
>  Not so relevant.
>
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