[lac-discuss-es] Resultados Electorales Comentarios

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Mie Mayo 2 22:20:21 UTC 2012


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 Asunto: Re: Resultados Electorales Comentarios 
 De: carlton.samuels en gmail.com

 Fray Carlos: 
 Tienes razón en los hechos así como la estrategia. No puedo estar en desacuerdo con usted aquí. 


 Con el mayor respeto y afecto. 


 - Carlton 


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 Móvil: 876-818-1799 
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 On Wed, 2 de mayo de 2012 a 3:57 PM, Carlos Dionisio Aguirre < 
 > carlosaguirre62 en hotmail.com escribió: 


>  My Dear Bro. We have coincidence in almost 90% of your words. I know what
> do you want to say, I feel and live like you in many things, And you know
> that my position is the true that I believe,  more than some strategies or
> diferences in the political positions.
> But when is needed to be clear, sometimes we must be rude. I think is this
> in where our positions dont find coincidence. Your words were very strong,
> but without names, and I felt that we needed names also in your words. We
> need to start to say names. Because in a contrary case all in the region
> are involved, and many of them being not guilty for that.  It my humble
> thought.
>
> My permanent enormous affectionate
>
> Carlos Dionisio Aguirre
> NCA GNSO Council - ICANN
> former ALAC member by LACRALO
> Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios
> Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina -
> *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423
> http://ar.ageiadensi.org
>
>
> > From: carlton.samuels en gmail.com
> > Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 13:12:21 -0500
> > To: lac-discuss-en en atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Election Results Comments
>
> >
> > There is a saying in English: 'Where ignorance is bliss, it is folly to
> be
> > wise'.
> >
> > There is another one: "the law is too important to leave to lawyers".
> >
> > I do not know their equivalencies in Spanish and a word by word
> translation
> > would be inadequate. Our LACRALO machine translation will be crude, at
> > best. Nevertheless, I shall not attempt one here.
> >
> > We have always know that there is a reservoir of ignorance of LACRALO
> > rules. More to point, ignorance of how they apply is really acute. The
> sad
> > fact is this ignorance is demonstrated by some of our colleagues who, by
> > virtue of their profession, one would least expect.
> >
> > Without any fear of contradiction I now make this declaration: Any
> LACRALO
> > election in San Jose would have been illegal for lack of proper notice.
> >
> > In my part of the world, notice is a pre-requisite for democratic
> > elections. This is because they are processes, not just one event. Take
> any
> > junta of the kind we witness time and again in the LAC region and I can
> > demonstrate that even they know this.
> >
> > I know for certain that our democratically-elected friend, Hugo, knows
> > this. [To the chagrin of his opponents! :-)]
> >
> > Notice typically has three elements; time, duration and content. A
> > violation of any element condemns the notice.
> >
> > The attempt to call an immediate LACRALO election at San Jose by invoking
> > the full UNGA Rules as authority [and allowed under LACRALO rules!] would
> > have also been in violation.
> >
> > Not only for the violation of the notice period. But the process by which
> > the voting event would have been taken on the agenda would not have saved
> > the day. That would have had one effect, to add the matter to the agenda.
> > A notice period plus candidates are still necessary for the election.
> >
> > In addition to all that, the member on whose behalf the attempt to hasten
> > the election is being executed VOLUNTARILY withdrew HIS element of notice
> > from the Agenda.
> >
> > In other words, the member, maybe unwittingly, fouled his own pool. Those
> > of us opposed to the barefaced violation of the rules would not have to
> do
> > anything more.
> >
> > So now, let's speak to the concerns for poor use of ICANN funds raised in
> > this thread. Here is a phrase that works here: 'La historia me
> absolvera'.
> >
> > Most of you would probably not know but ever since 2006, there has been
> an
> > enduring nucleus of opposition for ICANN travel support to the At-Large
> > attending ICANN meetings. This opposition is largely from North America,
> > among persons associated with the placeholder ALAC the new RALO included
> > structure replaced.
> >
> > The most corrosive criticism alleged that At-Large participants who
> > received travel support for ICANN meetings were really tourists first.
> > Their involvement in the At-Large agenda at the meetings was secondary.
> >
> > This criticism was leveled at the At-Large in general but to my mind,
> > sharply directed at members from LAC and Africa.
> >
> > Several recorded observations placed members from LACRALO at the centre
> of
> > these criticisms. To be brutally frank, one of our members was the THE
> > poster boy for this abuse.
> >
> > I have, in good nature, endured severe personal criticism because I
> opposed
> > any attempt to publicly censure those deemed guilty. Some of my
> colleagues
> > interpreted my opposition as protecting a certain LACRALO member - who
> > shall remain nameless here. More thoughtful others recognized it for what
> > it was; defense of a principle rather than personalities.
> >
> > All that aside, this member has enjoyed my support for other At-large
> > duties. Yes, you guessed right. This member actually solicited my support
> > for other positions. And yes, because of the larger strategic interests,
> I
> > gave it.
> >
> > By now, some of you might have also guessed my loathing for hypocrisy and
> > all its works. One is supposed to celebrate conversion, as it were, to
> 'the
> > one true faith'. At least, that is the Christian tradition.
> >
> > Count me as a reliable skeptic. Because to be frank, this latest
> conversion
> > we witness is really over the top. It is nothing more than a rancid
> > example of enlightened self-interest.
> >
> > That is the word.
> >
> > - Carlton Samuels
> >
> > ==============================
> > Carlton A Samuels
> > Mobile: 876-818-1799
> > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*
>
> > =============================
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:18 PM, <cveraq en gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
> > >
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> E9rmino_de_un_?
> > > == Windows-1252? Q? A = F1o_ = 09de_04_de_ = 09mayo_2012 ? =
> > > From: cveraq en gmail.com
> > >
> > > Incredible .. And those are the people demanding commitment and demand
> ..
> > > # Prohibidoolvidar
> > >
> > >
> > > While we are not transparent, conscious of our responsibilities and
> > > understand that not everything revolves around our personal interests,
> the
> > > region will continue dependent.
> > >
> > >
> > > Today we strongly believe in a good team without conditions.
> > >
> > >
> > > Carlos Vera
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: &quot;Alberto Soto&quot; <asoto en ibero-americano.org>
> > > Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 00:11:41
> > > To: <salgueiro.jo en gmail.com> ; <cveraq en gmail.com> ; 'LACRALO Spanish'
> <
> > > lac-discuss-es en atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> > > Cc: <lac-discuss-en en atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> > > Subject: RE: [lac-discuss-en] Results of the choice of l
> > > trmino LACRALO to secrete a year of 04
> > > May 2012
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree with the view of the precious time lost in Costa Rica, in
> addition
> > > ICANN payment of money, just for personal interests that harm us
> > > all. A general assembly can not be lost completely only two
> > > people present. ICANN is a lot of money and OUR, and long
> > > staff of each of us invested.
> > > Best Regards
> > >
> > >
> > > Alberto Soto
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: lac-discuss-es-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > > [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of
> > > Jose
> > > Ovidio Salgueiro A.
> > > Posted on: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 11:09 pm
> > > To: cveraq en gmail.com; LACRALO Espaol
> > > CC: lac-discuss-en en atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Results of the election of the secrete of
> > > LACRALO trmino of one year from May 4, 2012
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Congratulations to Sylvia by Josy strong result.
> > >
> > >
> > > This leads me to think that the ridiculous we did in the Assembly in
> San
> > > Josfue unnecessary since this result was the same as hubiramos
> > > all obtained.
> > >
> > >
> > > The Caribbean was not able or San Josni now to put a candidate with the
> > > capacity for a votacin important.
> > >
> > >
> > > I hope that now if you can work as expected in our organization
> > > and without the narrow interests that previously demonstrated
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > JosSalgueiro
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my BlackBerry Movistar
> > >
> > >
> > >
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