[lac-discuss-es] Resultados Electorales Comentarios

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Mie Mayo 2 20:58:21 UTC 2012


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 Asunto: Re: Resultados Electorales Comentarios 
 De: carlosaguirre62 en hotmail.com



 Mi querido Hermano. Tenemos coincidencia en casi el 90% de sus palabras. Yo sé lo que quieres decir, que sentir y vivir como tú en muchas cosas, y ustedes saben que mi posición es la verdad que creo que, más que algunas de las estrategias o diferencia significativa en las posiciones políticas. 
 Pero cuando se necesita para ser claros, a veces hay que ser grosero. Creo que es esto en donde nuestras posiciones no encuentra una coincidencia. Sus palabras fueron muy fuertes, pero sin nombres, y me sentí que necesitábamos nombres también en sus palabras. Tenemos que empezar a decir nombres. Debido a que en caso contrario todos en la región están involucrados, y muchos de ellos no es culpable por ello. Es mi humilde pensamiento. 


 Mi enorme cariño permanente 


 Carlos Dionisio Aguirre 
 NCA Consejo de la GNSO - ICANN 
 el ex miembro de ALAC por LACRALO 
 Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios 
 Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Córdoba - Argentina - 
 * 54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 
 http://ar.ageiadensi.org 




> From: carlton.samuels en gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 13:12:21 -0500
> To: lac-discuss-en en atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Election Results Comments
> 
> There is a saying in English: 'Where ignorance is bliss, it is folly to be
> wise'.
> 
> There is another one: "the law is too important to leave to lawyers".
> 
> I do not know their equivalencies in Spanish and a word by word translation
> would be inadequate.  Our LACRALO machine translation will be crude, at
> best. Nevertheless, I shall not attempt one here.
> 
> We have always know that there is a reservoir of ignorance of LACRALO
> rules. More to point, ignorance of how they apply is really acute. The sad
> fact is this ignorance is demonstrated by some of our colleagues who, by
> virtue of their profession, one would least expect.
> 
> Without any fear of contradiction I now make this declaration: Any  LACRALO
> election in San Jose would have been illegal for lack of proper notice.
> 
> In my part of the world, notice is a pre-requisite for democratic
> elections. This is because they are processes, not just one event. Take any
> junta of the kind we witness time and again in the LAC region and I can
> demonstrate that even they know this.
> 
> I know for certain that our democratically-elected friend, Hugo, knows
> this. [To the chagrin of his opponents! :-)]
> 
> Notice typically has three elements; time, duration and content. A
> violation of any element condemns the notice.
> 
> The attempt to call an immediate LACRALO election at San Jose by invoking
> the full UNGA Rules as authority [and allowed under LACRALO rules!] would
> have also been in violation.
> 
> Not only for the violation of the notice period. But the process by which
> the voting event would have been taken on the agenda would not have saved
> the day.  That would have had one effect, to add the matter to the agenda.
>  A notice period plus candidates are still necessary for the election.
> 
> In addition to all that, the member on whose behalf the attempt to hasten
> the election is being executed  VOLUNTARILY withdrew HIS element of notice
> from the Agenda.
> 
> In other words, the member, maybe unwittingly, fouled his own pool.  Those
> of us opposed to the barefaced violation of the rules would not have to do
> anything more.
> 
> So now, let's speak to the concerns for poor use of ICANN funds raised in
> this thread.  Here is a phrase that works here: 'La historia me absolvera'.
> 
> Most of you would probably not know but ever since 2006, there has been an
> enduring nucleus of opposition for ICANN travel support to the At-Large
> attending ICANN meetings.  This opposition is largely from North America,
> among persons associated with the placeholder ALAC the new RALO included
> structure replaced.
> 
> The most corrosive criticism alleged that At-Large participants who
> received travel support for ICANN meetings were really tourists first.
> Their involvement in the At-Large agenda at the meetings was secondary.
> 
> This criticism was leveled at the At-Large in general but to my mind,
> sharply directed at members from LAC and Africa.
> 
> Several recorded observations placed members from LACRALO at the centre of
> these criticisms.  To be brutally frank, one of our members was the THE
> poster boy for this abuse.
> 
> I have, in good nature, endured severe personal criticism because I opposed
> any attempt to publicly censure those deemed guilty.  Some of my colleagues
> interpreted my opposition as protecting a certain LACRALO member - who
> shall remain nameless here.  More thoughtful others recognized it for what
> it was; defense of a principle rather than personalities.
> 
> All that aside, this member has enjoyed my support for other At-large
> duties.  Yes, you guessed right.  This member actually solicited my support
> for other positions.  And yes, because of the larger strategic interests, I
> gave it.
> 
> By now, some of you might have also guessed my loathing for hypocrisy and
> all its works. One is supposed to celebrate conversion, as it were, to 'the
> one true faith'.  At least, that is the Christian tradition.
> 
> Count me as a reliable skeptic. Because to be frank, this latest conversion
> we witness is really over the top.  It is nothing more than a rancid
> example of enlightened self-interest.
> 
> That is the word.
> 
> - Carlton Samuels
> 
> ==============================
> Carlton A Samuels
> Mobile: 876-818-1799
> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*
> =============================
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:18 PM, <cveraq en gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
> >
> >  Subject: Re: =? Windows-1252? Q? Resultados_de_la_Elecci = F3n_de_? ==
> > Windows-1252? Q? = 09L = 09a_Secretar = EDa_de_LACRALO_t = E9rmino_de_un_?
> > == Windows-1252? Q? A = F1o_ = 09de_04_de_ = 09mayo_2012 ? =
> >  From: cveraq en gmail.com
> >
> >  Incredible .. And those are the people demanding commitment and demand ..
> > # Prohibidoolvidar
> >
> >
> >  While we are not transparent, conscious of our responsibilities and
> > understand that not everything revolves around our personal interests, the
> > region will continue dependent.
> >
> >
> >  Today we strongly believe in a good team without conditions.
> >
> >
> >  Carlos Vera
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> >  From: &quot;Alberto Soto&quot; <asoto en ibero-americano.org>
> >  Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 00:11:41
> >  To: <salgueiro.jo en gmail.com> ; <cveraq en gmail.com> ; 'LACRALO Spanish' <
> > lac-discuss-es en atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> >  Cc: <lac-discuss-en en atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> >  Subject: RE: [lac-discuss-en] Results of the choice of l
> >  trmino LACRALO to secrete a year of 04
> >  May 2012
> >
> >
> >  I agree with the view of the precious time lost in Costa Rica, in addition
> >  ICANN payment of money, just for personal interests that harm us
> >  all. A general assembly can not be lost completely only two
> >  people present. ICANN is a lot of money and OUR, and long
> >  staff of each of us invested.
> >  Best Regards
> >
> >
> >  Alberto Soto
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> >  From: lac-discuss-es-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >  [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of
> > Jose
> >  Ovidio Salgueiro A.
> >  Posted on: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 11:09 pm
> >  To: cveraq en gmail.com; LACRALO Espaol
> >  CC: lac-discuss-en en atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >  Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Results of the election of the secrete of
> >  LACRALO trmino of one year from May 4, 2012
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Congratulations to Sylvia by Josy strong result.
> >
> >
> >  This leads me to think that the ridiculous we did in the Assembly in San
> >  Josfue unnecessary since this result was the same as hubiramos
> >  all obtained.
> >
> >
> >  The Caribbean was not able or San Josni now to put a candidate with the
> >  capacity for a votacin important.
> >
> >
> >  I hope that now if you can work as expected in our organization
> >  and without the narrow interests that previously demonstrated
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  JosSalgueiro
> >
> >
> >  Sent from my BlackBerry Movistar
> >
> >
> >
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