[lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] my comments related the ammendment
carlos dionisio aguirre
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Lun Mar 5 21:12:11 UTC 2012
Dear All: Some personal thoughts: Fatima was one of the two or three who worked very hard to have some proposal for our GA, try to attack her is a disrespect against hard-workers in our region, maximum when who hit her, forgot to present any alternative proposal to improve the previous proposed.I think we have a hard work to do in our GA, specially trying to identify who work seriously, and indentify who only make comments about comments but without any clear proposal. I hope we can show our possibility to work together and develop good work. For that, first is needed to leave personal aspirations and think in the region. God illuminate our actions.
Queridos todos: Algunas reflexiones personales: Fátima fue uno de los doso tres, que trabajó muy duro para tener alguna propuesta de nuestraGA, tratar de atacar a ella es una falta de respeto contra el fuerte de trabajo en nuestra región, máxime cuando quien la golpeó, se olvidó depresentar una propuesta alternativa para mejorar la anterior propuesta.Creo que tenemos un trabajo difícil de hacer en nuestra Asamblea General, en especial tratando de identificar a personas que trabajan en serio, e identificar que sólo hacen comentarios acerca de los comentarios, pero sin ninguna propuesta clara.Espero que podamos demostrar nuestra posibilidad de trabajar juntos y desarrollar un buen trabajo. Para ello, primero es necesario dejar las aspiraciones personales y pensar en la región. Dios ilumine nuestras acciones..
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre
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> From: apisan en unam.mx
> To: carlton.samuels en gmail.com; vanda en uol.com.br
> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 20:37:08 +0000
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> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] [lac-discuss-es] my comments related the ammendment
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> Carlton,
>
> at this hour I think you will show those values much better by putting concrete proposals on the table, new or old.
>
> A esta hora, creo que el apego a esos valores se muestra mucho mejor poniendo sobre la mesa propuestas concretas, nuevas o viejas.
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> ________________________________________
> Desde: lac-discuss-es-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org [lac-discuss-es-bounces en atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels en gmail.com]
> Enviado el: lunes, 05 de marzo de 2012 13:36
> Hasta: Vanda UOL
> CC: Heidi Ullrich; LAC DISCUSS; lac-discuss-es en atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] my comments related the ammendment
>
> Dear Vanda:
> When I saw the proposal and knowing the background on the so-called WG and
> the several proposals, I had concluded that what was eventually delivered
> was thorough cynicism. It was a vexation to the spirit. So I concluded that
> for me, the optimal response is that I shall be stuck 'mute of malice'.
>
> Seeing your contribution has allowed me the space to change my mind. I too
> share your general concerns with these proposals. And I support the
> explanations you have provided in almost all their details, including the
> remedial suggestions.
>
> Your intervention demonstrates a deep understanding of the values we expect
> a multistakeholder governance model should project and the means by which
> that could be achieved.
>
> Best,
> - Carlton
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> On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Vanda UOL <vanda en uol.com.br> wrote:
>
> > Here my analysis to share with you all related to the proposal amendments.
> > I
> > am not sure due my commit with NOMCOMM if I will will be able to
> > participate
> > in all sessions, so I decided to share my opinions with all of you.
> >
> > Point I have something to say in highlight below.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > VANDA
> >
> >
> > Points proposed by one group
> >
> > My comments
> >
> >
> > 1) the right of ALSes to vote in LACRALO affairs determined by a
> > minimum level of participation
> >
> > This is positive
> >
> >
> > 2) working languages expanded to French and Portuguese
> >
> > I don´t see need and may be too expensive. But this is not a main concern.
> > ( but I don´t see APRALO working in the more than 20 languages they have
> > there
> >
> >
> > 3) removes the concept of operating by consensus
> >
> > >From my point of view this is against one of ICANN´s principle – build
> > consensus
> >
> >
> > 4) creation of Vice President
> >
> > Those persons cannot be added to the normal representation at ALAC
> > without
> > the decision of ALAC itself. Not for LACRALO to decide. See also below on
> > item 8
> >
> >
> > 5) terms of President and Vice President eligible for two terms of 2
> > years each
> >
> > This make some sense, since representation in ALAC demands some degree of
> > learning, so one year is short term indeed. But the second term shall be
> > one year to allow others to participate.
> >
> >
> > 6) creation of Vice Secretariat position
> >
> > Same of vice president
> >
> >
> > 7) LACRALO would elect 2 persons to serve on ALAC and 2 others as
> > their
> >
> > respective alternates (diversity requirements shall not apply to elected
> > ALAC member and their alternate).
> >
> > I disagree - diversity shall apply. The principles of ICANN states on
> > diversity. The concentration of persons from just one country for instance,
> > is not democratic neither safe for the organization. ( imagine if the two
> > big countries Mexico and Brazil decide to make a strong movement to take
> > over this group, can be control all the positions) really not safe. Must
> > have diversity.
> >
> >
> > 8) The alternate or deputy can assume the ALAC rep in case of any
> > inability of the primary ALAC rep
> >
> > I believe this shall be submitted to ALAC, We cannot decide next time the
> > member sent to ALAC meeting is another…
> >
> >
> > 9) the ALAC member can be re-elected for a 2nd two year term
> >
> > Reelection has the same principle 1 year for second term to allow others
> > to
> > participate.
> >
> >
> > 10) creation of a LACRALO Directory or LACRALO Board with administrative
> > and operative functions. This will comprise the persons elected in LACRALO
> > (President, Vice-President, Secretary, Deputy Secretary, the two LACRALO
> > elected representatives to ALAC and their alternates) and five Policy
> > Directors who would lead different working groups within LACRALO and in
> > charge of selecting members within their working groups. Policy Directors
> > would be elected by the General Assembly by simple majority.
> >
> >
> >
> > In my opinion this will mean “ too much generals and no troops to command”
> > but no impact at all.
> >
> > 3 would be good – one member of Caribbean region and two from Latin
> > region – too keep diversity and at same time be reasonable ( there is no
> > much members that really works in LACRALO so I don´t believe it will be
> > groups enough to work under 5 policy directors). But not so relevant
> >
> >
> > 11) establishing that elections can take place virtually
> >
> > This is good, but needs clear tools must be available to avoid one member
> > to vote for all the ALSs under its “command” - only allow this after
> > check the security of the tool.
> >
> >
> > 12) amendments would be applicable to existing mandates of President,
> > Secretary
> >
> > I am not in favor of that, only if was to have just one more year term.
> >
> > Application of the change in benefice of the existing elected members looks
> > manipulation.
> >
> > Same people can be candidate and be elected, but extending the mandate,
> > looks not democratic. That´s the way ditactors use to keeping in place…
> > Totally against.
> >
> >
> > 13) The constitution of the Board of LACRALO be held after the first
> > election to be held immediately at the time of these amendments be
> > approved.
> >
> > Not so relevant.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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