[lac-discuss-es] RES: OP
rok en bango.org.bb
rok en bango.org.bb
Mie Ago 15 11:27:11 UTC 2012
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Asunto: Re: RES: OP
De: rok en bango.org.bb
¿Qué te tomó tanto tiempo para darse cuenta de que estamos a cuatro patas en este caso? La realidad de la ley de la asociación es que LACRALO no es independiente y soberano, pero insisten en que es. La realidad de la asociación entre LACRALO y la ICANN es que LACRALO es un satélite de la ICANN, pero usted insiste en que no lo es. ¿Estabas dormido cuando te registraste?
Además, en esta relación a algunas personas no pueden decidir lo que LACRALO es después de los hechos y cualquier intento de tomarlo en otra dirección será contraria a los derechos de los que firmaron el memorando de entendimiento y no estar actuando como LACRALO pero como ustedes mismos.
Corea del Sur
De: Carlos Aguirre Dionisio
Enviado el: Martes, 14 de agosto 2012 22:44
Para: rok en bango.org.bb; lac-discuss-en en atlarge-lists.icann.org
Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] RES: OP
Corea del Sur: con todo mi respeto le pido perdón a su inteligencia, y por favor pregunte si (la inteligencia) podría decirme cuál es el fundamento de su posición acerca de LACRALO y por qué considera no es independiente y Soberana.
Lo siento de nuevo por lo que consideran un insulto, yo sólo quería dar mi posición al respecto.
En el otro lado: Si se considera un insulto a mi posición sobre un tema determinado,
Puedo considerar su Actitud como una falta de respeto, máximo cuando se apela a desacreditar sin fundamento.
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre
NCA Consejo de la GNSO - ICANN
el ex miembro de ALAC por LACRALO
Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios
Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Córdoba - Argentina -
* 54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423
http://ar.ageiadensi.org
> From: rok en bango.org.bb
> To: lac-discuss-en en atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:33:40 -0400
> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] RES: OP
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> Offensive? I find it an insult to my intelligence when LACRALO is described
> as sovereign and independent.
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> ROK
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> I think any discussion in LACRALO opinin justifies this
> magnitude. What estviendo least here, is the anxiety of travel, and are
> facts that have been demonstrated.
> As always, please pour opinions, please apply well
> justify it. Otherwise, exemplify, we consider a
> all with the same yardstick. It is highly offensive.
> And definitely the worst I've seen input to ICANN.
> Regards
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> Alberto Soto
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> rok en bango.org.bb
> Posted on: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:48 pm
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> Some people want a car to take a truck load. All this
> LACRALO talk about being independent is a nonsense. We must begin
> with the reason why LACRALO is established. It was not a club or party
> political. Comenzcon the objective is to get tickets especfico
> Caribbean and Latin America Internet users, not for us to
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> It seems that there are some who want to appropriate LACRALO to make it
> we want to be. When that day LACRALO is no longer relevant to the
> ICANN, I hope it passes Caribbean peticin Renen and ICANN
> to make direct contributions to ICANN and to leave Los Angeles to continue
> its merry way to nowhere.
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> LACRALO has lost focus and has entered into a desert politician steep
> where to vote in favor of the officials is the prize ... and where
> people are pushed to the charges if their lives depend on it.
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> From: Carlos Dionisio Aguirre
> Posted on: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 10:25
> To: Carlton Samuels
> Cc: lac-discuss-en en atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] RES: OP
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> My dear Brother: At this time I can `t share with you.
> I insist on my position LACRALO is independent and sovereign. As you
> said in his (evil, for me) the interpretation, LACRALO can give rules
> s and changes in it, so it is shown fully
> independent, not answerable to anyone. This phrase is clear:
> "This Memorandum of Understanding
> ("MOU") defines an agreement between the signatory organizations
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> the Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers. Its
> intention is to establish and define the activities to be carried out,
> the Latin American and Caribbean Regional At-Large great
> organization, supported by ICANN. "
> ICANN is another organization as shown in the previous paragraph. To
> that reason we have a memorandum of understanding, because there are two
> organizations connected with this type of contract or agreement.
> ICANN is based on California law, that is true, but this only
> affects the relationship with LACRALO if LACRALO against taking any
> the directive body of law (California law). if not, memorandum of
> understanding between two different organizations is still alive in
> strength.
> LACRALO consists of organizations and the governing body
> is GA, which is a delegate for each organization. This is the explanation
> of "The signing of the organizations" sentence.
> Now LACRALO with the support of ICANN, as the memorandum of understanding,
> but this may change in the future, and could remain LACRALO a
> independent, and most importantly, this was the idea.
> The idea from the beginning was to have an independent organization in
> Latin America region made by end users, which was the
> LACRALO motivation.We are not part of ICANN, which could
> be the meaning of that?
> ICANN multistackeholder model and there is no need for uniformity. And
> to build a democratic and diverse ecosystem of ICANN needs
> OPINION different to the different focus groups. LACRALO is one of
> them, consisting of end-user organizations in the region of
> LAC. ICANN needs an independent and Sovereign LACRALO.
> My personal opinion about it.
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> A big hug, big and strong for you.
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> Carlos Dionisio Aguirre
> NCA GNSO Council - ICANN
> former member of ALAC for LACRALO
> Lawyer - Specialist Business Law Sarmiento 71 - 4th. 18
> Cordoba - Argentina -
> * 54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423
> http://ar.ageiadensi.org
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> From: carlton.samuels @ gmail.com
> Date: Monday, August 13, 2012 12:41:48 -0500
> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] RES: OP
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> 08/10/2012 Carlos Dionisio Aguirre <carlosaguirre62 en hotmail.com>
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> : The government that you mention does not apply in this case, because we
> a specific standard. n the other side I LACRALO is not part of ICNN only
> we have a Memorandum of Understanding signed, but are independent
> standards of ICNN.
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> My brother Carlos: See the highlighted portion of text, according to the
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> In this case, I think the interpretation is incorrect.
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> LACRALO its interpretation that is "independent" of the
> ICANN standards is widely held in Latin America. Without
> doubt, I think is responsible for statements such as "LACRALO
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> Now, lawyers can and do disagree on the
> interpretation of the law or documents.
> The case law confirms this. Add to this and in this
> context, differences in the stories and legal mechanisms
> interpretation of the so-called 'common law' countries and countries
> 'Civil right' Front predominantly Latin American Caribbean. This is
> a perfect example and such other case.
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> ICANN premise is well defined in the law. It exists as a
> 'Public benefit'
> corporation under the laws of the State of California. When registering
> as a legal entity, it filed its application with the texts
> State.These bye-laws submitted and accepted by the State of California
> unites and strengthens its operations and actions.
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> This means that the actions of ICANN are legal and enforceable only in the
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> LACRALO premise is defined by the Memorandum of Understanding signed with
> the MOU ICANN.Ese
> subject to the ICANN bylaws, ICANN can not make binding agreements
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> This is the text describing the "Purpose and Scope
> application "of LACRALO in
> Memorandum of Understanding signed with ICANN:
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> "This Memorandum of Understanding (" MOU ") defines a
> agreement between the
> The signing of the organizations and the Internet Corporation for Assigned
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> Numbers.Its purpose is to establish and define the activities
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> for Latin America and the Caribbean Regional At-Large great organization,
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> supported by ICANN. "
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> Here is the definition of that "The signing of the
> Organizations ":" Organizations of the
> Latin America and the Caribbean, certified by the ALAC and At-Large
> Structures that are signatories to this MOU. ".
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> This is the signature * organizations *, ie, ALS, which
> enjoy the legal
> relationship with ICANN. In other words, is purely an LACRALO
> tag for ease
> reference, which means "all of us, ALS, acting
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> The ALS certification requirement represents another obstáculo.La
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> accept and certify ALS is transferred to the ALAC through texts
> implementation of ICANN.
> In other words, * not * LACRALO can not exist absent a
> text of application of the ICANN
> mandate of the action of the ALAC.
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> The MOU states clearly the commitments
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> The Memorandum of Understanding, signed, joins ICANN to six (6) the
> commitments to LACRALO **.
> In turn, labeling LACRALO ALS, ie those who signed the
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> different, with
> ICANN in the pursuit of our joint commitments.
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> The truth is that there is a gulf of difference between America in general
> America and the Caribbean to understand the meaning of the
> "Sovereign" of the word
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> In 2006, we invited and had legal interventions ICANN
> staff to explain this. I'm on the record several times, trying
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> the facts with general knowledge. My last time was in Costa Rica.
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> was responding to the contents of a document filed with the
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> Assembly General.Y comments to my problems, I was condemned as
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> lying in several places. The recordings and transcripts are
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> Records show Sooknanan Cintra, a lawyer, has also indicated
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> misuse of the word. Also, Lance Hinds and King of Roosevelt.
> > A partir de mi lectura de sus escritos e intervenciones, creo que Fátima
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> context of the names and numbers of the promotion policy,
> counseling and development is
> informed and limited by the MOU signing, which in turn
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> powers and the extent granted by the ICANN bylaws and Regulations
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> LACRALO may, if it so chooses, to change its rules. The process for
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> described in the Regulations. And even if there was a movement to change
> rules of procedure, you must follow the process as defined in
> the rules.
> The lawyers and the courts have a Latin term, "ultra
> vires "to describe the actions
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> Here's the attraction. LACRALO can not change the texts of
> implementation of ICANN.And so any
> rule change that affects or filth of ICANN texts
> application would make a LACRALO
> rogue and outside the parameters provided by the ICANN Memorandum of
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> If this happens, any signatory of the Memorandum of
> Understanding, that is, any commonwealth, has
> standing and a duty of care complaint petition in this regard. And
> ICANN has a duty to respond and act as the Memorandum of
> Understanding and application text requires
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