[lac-discuss-es] RES: OP

Mie Ago 15 01:40:28 UTC 2012

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 Asunto: Re: RES: OP 
 De: carlosaguirre62 en hotmail.com

 En particular, no es mi idea. Pero estoy de acuerdo contigo en que algunas personas están en este camino. 

 Carlos Dionisio Aguirre 
 NCA Consejo de la GNSO - ICANN 
 el ex miembro de ALAC por LACRALO 
 Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios 
 Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Córdoba - Argentina - 
 * 54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 
 http://ar.ageiadensi.org 

 De: rok en bango.org.bb 
 Para: carlosaguirre62 en hotmail.com 
 Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] RES: OP 
 Fecha: Martes, 14 de agosto 2012 21:07:17 -0400 

 Sé que mi comentario no ayuda porque ustedes están decididos a hacer fracasar 
 LACRALO. 

 Corea del Sur 

 De: Carlos Aguirre Dionisio 
 Enviado el: Martes, 14 de agosto 2012 20:53 
 Para: rok en bango.org.bb; carlton 
 Samuels 
 Cc: lac-discuss-en en atlarge-lists.icann.org 

 Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] RES: OP

 Corea del Sur: ¿Podría ser, pero tu comentario no ayuda. 
 Saludos. 

 Carlos Dionisio 
 Aguirre 
 NCA Consejo de la GNSO - ICANN 
 el ex miembro de ALAC por LACRALO 
 Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios 
 Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Córdoba - Argentina - 
 * 54-351-424-2123 / 
 423-5423 
 http://ar.ageiadensi.org 

> From: rok en bango.org.bb
> To: 
> CC: 
> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] 
> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:47:08 -0400
> 
> Some 
> 

> was established. It was not a club or political party. It was started 
> the specific objective of getting inputs from Caribbean and Latin 
> internet users, not for us to go off on some jolly 
> 
> It seems that there are some who would want to hijack 
> what they want to be. When that day comes and 
> to ICANN, I would hope that the Caribbean 
> petition ICANN to make direct inputs to 
> their merry journey to 
> 
> LACRALO has lost focus and has gone into a steep 
> voting for officers is the prize... and 
> if their lives depend on 
> 
> Depressing!
> 
> ROK
> 
> 
> From: carlos dionisio aguirre
> Sent: 
> To: carlton samuels
> Cc: 
> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] 
> 
> 
> My Dear Bro: On this opportunity I can`t share 
> position LACRALO is: independent and soverign. 
> (wrong,for me ) interpretation, LACRALO can give 
> the same, so it shows it completely 
> anybody. This sentence is clear: 
> ("MOU")defines an agreement between 
> Internet Corporation for Assigned 
> establish, and define activities to 
> Caribbean Regional At-Large 
> ICANN is another 
> reason we have a 
> kind of 
> ICANN is based on the California Law, thats true, 
> relationship with LACRALO, if LACRALO adopt 
> legal body (CAlifornia law). if not, MoU 
> remains alive in force.
> 

> wich is one delegate by each organization. This is the explanation of 
> "Signing Organizations" sentence.
> Now LACRALO is supported 
> the future, and 
> the most 
> The idea from the begining was to have an 
> region composed by End Users, that was 
> part of ICANN, wich could be the 
> ICANN and the multistackeholder model no need uniformity. 
> diverse & democratic ecosystem ICANN need differents 
> groups of opinion. LACRALO is one of them, 
> organizations by LAC region. ICANN need a LACRALO 
> My personal opinion on that.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> NCA GNSO Council - ICANN
> former ALAC 
> Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los 
> Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina -
> 
> http://ar.ageiadensi.org
> 
> 
> From: carlton.samuels en gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:41:48 

> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] RES: OP
> To: 
> CC: 
> 
> 
> 2012/8/10 
> 
> 
> :rule that you mention doesnt apply in this case, because we have a 
> specific rule. Ón the othe side LACRALO is not part of ICÁNN we only 

> MOU signed, but we are independent of ICÁNN rules.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> 

> 
> My brother Carlos:See the 
> In this case, I 
> 
> 
> Your 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

> Case law confirms this situation. Add to this and in this context, the 
> differences in legal histories and interpretative mechanisms of 

> 'common law' countries as in the Caribbean versus 'civil law' 
> predominant in Latin America. Here is a perfect example 
> case.
> 
> 
> ICANN's premise is 
> corporation under 
> a legal 
> and 
> 
> 
> 
> This means ICANN's actions are only legal 
> comply with its bye-laws.
> 
> 
> LACRALO's premise is defined by the MOU signed with ICANN. 

> subject to the ICANN bye-laws; ICANN cannot make binding 
> injurious to its bye-laws.
> 
> 
> This is the text that describes the "Purpose and Scope" of LACRALO in 

> MOU signed with ICANN:
> 
> "This Memorandum of 
> Signing 
> 

> by, the Latin America & Caribbean Regional At-Large Large 
> supported by ICANN."
> 
> 
> Note 
> 
> 
> Here's the 
> Latin 
> 
> 
> 
> It is 
> 

> of reference that means 'all of us ALSes, acting together'.
> 
> 
> The certification requirement for ALSes poses another hurdle. 

> accept and certify ALSes is ceded to the ALAC by way of 
> In other words, *LACRALO* does not and cannot exist 
> mandated action of the ALAC.
> 
> 
> The MOU states clearly the joint commitments, *singly and severally*, 

> parties to it.
> 
> 
> The MOU, as signed, 
> In turn, the ALSes 
> binds us, 
> ICANN 
> 
> 
> The truth is 
> American and 
> in 
> 
> 
> As far back as 2006, we have invited and had 
> staff to explain this. I am on the 
> the facts with the general 
> was responding to the 
> comments in the 
> liar in 
> 
> 
> 
> The records will show 
> misuse of the 
> 
> 
> >From 
> 
>Cambronera well understands the differences.
> 
> 
> 

> context of names and numbers policy advocacy, advice and development is 
> informed and limited by the signed MOU, which is itself subject to the 
> powers and scope granted by the ICANN bye-laws and the LACRALO Rules of 
> Procedure.
> 
> 
> LACRALO may, if it so chooses, 

> described in its Rules of 
> the rules of 
> Lawyers 
> 
> 
> 
> Here's the compelling 
> rule change that 
> rogue and 
> 
> 
> If 
> 

> ICANN is duty bound to respond and act as the MOU and its bye-law 
> so to do.
> 
> 
> Best,- Carlton
> 
> 
> 
> Carlton A 
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