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<p>Dear ALAC Chair,</p>
<p>Alberto Soto made us aware of the CPH letter a few days ago, expressing his very justified worries.</p>
<p>Alejandro Pisanti made a motion for a full dicussion of this preceived lack of communication about the handling of ALAC Review comments and quite a few of the LACRALO members seconded Alejandros motion, myslef included. As I can't participate tomorrow in the ALAC call, because of a conflicting ISOC working group, on Chapter performance by the way, I asked the 3 membes of LACRALO to take it up during this call.</p>
<p>I greatly appreciate your gentle suggestion, but I'm no one to disuss mertis as I don't chair either group or voted for any of the drafts that hav created this perception.</p>
<p>But as former collegue of your in the second ATRT review, and beacuse of the whole Review issue being dicussed right now you can be sure that I'm <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>very</strong></span> ashamed to be a vounteer in two different SO/ACs in ICANN that seem to be communicating so badly!</p>
<p>Merits or no merits of the CPH letter, I expect to hear the opinions of ALACs leaderhsip on why communication seem to be failing, and learn from either side's mistakes. Look foreard to the recording of tomorrows call. And if the moajority of ALAC sees no merits in the letter, look forward to your rejoinder to ICANNs Chair. By then I will have enough evidence if the clearly stated numbers in the CPH letter have merti or not.</p>
<p>Have a nice evening!</p>
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<p>El 2018-05-21 19:12, Alan Greenberg escribió:</p>
<blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0"><!-- html ignored --><!-- head ignored --><!-- meta ignored --> Carlos, since you and your colleagues are the ones who believe that the CPH letter has significant merit, and you are the ones with the deadline, I strongly suggest that you or one of your colleagues ask exactly what the letter that you are supporting means.<br /><br /> Alan<br /><br /> At 21/05/2018 07:14 PM, Carlos Raul Gutierrez wrote:<br /><br />
<blockquote class="cite">Good clarification to ask to the CPH Chair Alan! But hopefully in a fast and efficnet way forward. LACRALO is in the middle of a process to address many of the issues raised, and we would greatl profit from clear and direct responses.<br /><br /> Best<br /> ---<br /> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez<br /><br /> El 2018-05-21 09:44, Alan Greenberg escribió:<br />
<blockquote class="cite">There is a standing item on the At-large Review on the ALAC agenda, and the letter(s) will be discussed.<br /><br /> HOWEVER, a main point of the CPH letter was that we did not address all of the issues raised in the ITEMS International Report. It would be useful if you could identify WHICH items you (or the CPH) believe were not addressed. <br /><br /> Alan<br /><br /> <br /> At 21/05/2018 10:35 AM, Carlos Raul Gutierrez wrote:<br /><br />
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<dd>Thanks for your fast and thorough response Ricardo!<br /><br /></dd>
<dd>First of all, let me clarify that I was referring to the letter of the CPH only. Not of the NCSG.<br /><br /></dd>
<dd>As NomCom nominated member of the GNSO assigned to the CPH, I must tell you that I have never gotten the feeling that anything discussed in either group of the CPH is driven by hate. Moreover, over the last year the discussions on budget, reviews and the need for a lot of volunteer support for the very necesary policy development have been the main issues discussed at all levels of the GNSO, CPH and Registries and Registrars stakeholder groups. I really see no reason by reading the letter to assume any hidden motivation for this letter and hope that LACRALO as a Group will do as well. We really have to avoid such comments unless you have any way to substantiate them.<br /><br /></dd>
<dd>The budgetary, personal and accountability stress that the oong list of reviews has on the whole organization is more than well documented, as you can see from the recent blog and webinar that will deal in detail with short and long term proposal from the organzation to the community to deal with the high responsability of all review. I can't read more in Graeme's letter that a very big worry about the high standars we expect from all reviews that justify the newly won independence of ICANN.<br /><br /></dd>
<dd>I look forward to your feedback and comments on our next LACRALO call, maybe on 28 May if it gets confirmed, as I have another call tomorrow monring and wont be able to follow the ALAC call.<br /><br /></dd>
<dd>I wish you a very nice week.</dd>
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<dd>Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez<br /><br /> </dd>
<dd>El 2018-05-21 07:04, Ricardo Holmquist escribió:<br />
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<dd>Dear Carlos Raul,</dd>
<dd>The point is not in agenda, but for sure we can arise it as an AOB item.</dd>
<dd> </dd>
<dd>In other hand, the actual answer from Alan Greenberg is that the NCSG letter is not official, and that once official, ALAC will answer it.</dd>
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<dd>IMHO both letters were written with more hate than real toughs. I might agree that the external review have some trues, but my first reading a while ago is that it also contains a bunch of missinformation and half trues (reading both letters, I can find where they came from).</dd>
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<dd>It was the work of a lot of people, not only from ALAC, but from all the RALOs, involved in the preparation of the answer, also there were at least two comment periods, and the opportunity to submit comments to the LACRALO or ALAC working on it (I was not in ALAC, nor in the WG, altough I send several comments at the time). </dd>
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<dd>This is almost in the final steps of approval (or not) from the Board, to begin an implementation plan, where for sure, we all need to put more than a grain of sand to make it work, not only for ALAC, but importantly for LACRALO.</dd>
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<dd>Sincerely</dd>
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<dd>Ricardo Holmquist </dd>
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<dd>On Mon, 21 May 2018 at 13:50, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <<a href="mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org">crg@isoc-cr.org</a>> wrote:
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<dd>To our LACRALO representatives in ALAC,</dd>
<dd>I kindly request to our members in ALAC, to take the opportunity of this call and discuss the CPH letter of 7 May to the ICANN Chairman on the ALAC Implementation Overview Proposal, Approved by the ALAC, 20 April 2018 (both attached for your convenience). Under any circumstance (not only present budgetary constrains) this letter from a GNSO constituency as very relevant to our past and future work, and we should be have all elements for a serious discussion on our next LACRALO call on 28 May.</dd>
<dd>Happy week to all</dd>
<dd>Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez</dd>
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