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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CARRIBEAN link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hello all,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>My initial thoughts on this alternative model:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If we are speaking of fundamentals as the starting point for a discussion, I do not agree that the notion of an ALS – as currently applied - is *fundamental* to the work of At-Large. In the broader scheme of things, the only fundamental, in my humble opinion, is the representation of the end-user’s interests. (This is not a hard and fast view and I would welcome contrary views to expand my thinking on it)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>With that as a starting point, I don’t find much fault with the idea of creating a single focal point in each jurisdiction from which the views of end-users can be gauged (for policy inputs etc) and outreach can be done.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>That said, I suspect that the finer details will need some more fine-tuning. For e.g.:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If the current proposal is to dispense with formalities like by-laws does this also, implicitly mean that each Virtual ALS (VALS) would have no formal local leadership? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>How would the implementation of the VALS impact one’s ability to run for a position within At-Large – would the status quo remain or would that person have to be nominated by the VALS within the country of origin? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>How, if at all, would the VALS concept impact on the current process of individuals joining At-Large/ICANN working groups? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Bartlett D. Morgan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 06, 2017 11:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com>; LACRALO discussion list <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [lac-discuss-en] An Alternative to the EMM model proposed in the At-Large Review<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Dev, <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>the proposed model of "ICANN At-Large Chapters" in each country is a step towards a membership-based ICANN, which is a no-go.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>It is a top-down model that creates new organizations instead of bringing together existing organizations. This is troublesome in itself and also negates the "Web of Trust" model which lies at the foundation of At-Large representation. I consider that this model is still important and that the "At-Large Chapters" model is not an improvement. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>I understand from your note that each country would have a single Chapter. Is that correct?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Again that is not what the Rotary or ISOC do. While ISOC prefers a single chapter per country, large, diverse countries like India or Canada have more than one. And certainly Rotary have numerous clubs, sometimes even more than one in a single city. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Yours,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Alejandro Pisanty<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><br><span class=apple-style-span> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty</span><br><span class=apple-style-span>Facultad de Química UNAM </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Av. 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It outlines an alternative to the proposed EMM model in the At-Large Review.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Dev Anand<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:black'>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b>Dev Anand Teelucksingh</b> <<a href="mailto:devtee@gmail.com" target="_blank">devtee@gmail.com</a>><br>Date: Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 5:19 PM<br>Subject: Response to the draft At-Large Review document - please consider and forward to the ITEMS or discuss in the At-Large review call<br>To: Fatima Cambronero <<a href="mailto:fatimacambronero@gmail.com" target="_blank">fatimacambronero@gmail.com</a>>, Alberto Soto <<a href="mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org" target="_blank">asoto@ibero-americano.org</a>>, Aida Noblia <<a href="mailto:aidanoblia@gmail.com" target="_blank">aidanoblia@gmail.com</a>>, Carlton Samuels <<a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com" target="_blank">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a>>, Vanda UOL <<a href="mailto:vanda@uol.com.br" target="_blank">vanda@uol.com.br</a>>, Holly Raiche <<a href="mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net" target="_blank">h.raiche@internode.on.net</a>><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:black'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Since time is short, I want to focus on the proposed EMM in the draft At-Large Review.<br><br>My thoughts - The proposed EMM has flaws. Some immediate ones :<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>- it destroys the community and with that, the consensus building of community with replacement <br>of individuals with even less ties to the public community. Such individuals will promote and collude with other individuals to keep themselves in the loop. Also, with many of the policy discussions in GNSO being English, this permanently eliminates persons from developing/emerging economies from non-English from ever participating.<br>- given that any individual could already participate in GNSO, we would be no different from such random individuals <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>- it removes the mandate on oversight and accountability on ICANN activities from end user interests<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>- a thousand individuals in one large country will override 10 individuals from a small country so there will be less diversity in the EMM model only from those countries with large number of individuals. <br>- Nomcom appointees to ALAC new to ICANN will serve as Liasions to other groups is not sensible <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:black'>There are many more problems but I want to focus on a IMO a better At-Large model than the EMM one:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>- ICANN establishes At-Large Chapters in each country similiar in concept to Rotary or ISOC chapters. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>- each chapter is open to anyone interested in ICANN from the interests of end users.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>- ICANN can set guidelines for each chapter - some examples: must do certain level of outreach, have term limits, have a public F2F awareness meeting to recruit new persons. ICANN would need to provide some funding to make this happen but this would be small and the chapters can account to ICANN for expenses. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>- ICANN can provide the tools (mailing lists, conference tools) to facilitate online discussions.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>- Because there is a consistent brand - At-Large Chapter in the country, marketing/promoting is <br>greatly simplified and easier to explain. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>- Given that such chapters are virtual, it makes chapters easy to establish with only a few individuals from a country without the challenges of having formal organisations with bylaws and pay taxes.<br> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:black'>So an At-Large chapter ends up being a virtual ALS in each country in the ALAC/RALO/ALS model. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:black'>The RALOs will consist of the chapters from each country in the region with each chapter electing two persons to coordinate the RALO work. The RALO will be better positioned to better fulfil its MOUs with ICANN and the RALO and ALAC would not have to bother with analysing whether an organisation meets the criteria of an ALS.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:black'>The At-Large chapters will be better able to network with At-Large chapters in other countries and build consensus on policy issues and help promote and grow the At-Large Community.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'>Dev Anand <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>