<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td valign="top"><div>There is no seperation between Non-government, Non-business community citizens and government/business, because government/business is made up of the citizens as well.  No Government or business worker works 24 hours a day, they transition away from their civic duty at unpredictable times.  <br /><br />Rather, the definition of civil society should be inclusive of every group that exists within the perimeter of the assumed authority of that society, unless the society is in fact an oligarchy, which is immoral government with no real tangible "civil" participation by anyone except the oligarchs.  For example, it has been proven that since 1976 there has been no real change by the lower and middle class in thne United States since the Supreme Court allowed unlimited funding of elections, thereby allowing the purchase of American politicians by oligarchs.  <br /><br />So, which
 country do we talk about when speaking about "civil society", a mythical democratic country maybe, although people in Sweden claim to have very little corruption in their government.  There is nothing civil about a country where politicans are just puppets who are bought.<br /><br />Ron</div></td></tr></table>            <div id="_origMsg_">
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                                        <td valign="top"><BR>[[--Translated text (es -&gt; en)--]]<BR><BR> Subject: Re:??? Q = iso-8859-1 F3n_sob_e_componentes_de_la VIEW = = = iso-8859-1 _Sociedad_Civil q =????? <BR> From: <a ymailto="mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org" href="javascript:return">asoto@ibero-americano.org</a><BR><BR> Dear, this weekend recibun private mail with good <BR> suggestion. That would provide some guidelines, which are necessary to reach a <BR> fruition. <BR><BR><BR> What do tena thought a little more later, but it seems appropriate to do so <BR> now. <BR><BR><BR> Aqula wiki to leave comments wishing there already copied material: <BR> <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/LACRALO/SOCIEDAD+CIVIL+-+CIVIL+SOCIETY " target=_blank >https://community.icann.org/display/LACRALO/SOCIEDAD+CIVIL+-+CIVIL+SOCIETY </a><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> These links who are down, also estn in the wiki. <BR><BR><BR> They are documents that
 reflect opinions of philosophers, politicians, institutions, <BR> etc. For those who have time, no reading material. <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> As Vern, and have already mentioned, there are clear statements from the <BR> Civil society is not government.What we find is those who are <BR> the components of the Civil Society, and how estinsertado or not, <BR> Internet end users within the same, particularly as <BR> ICANN considered in decision making. <BR><BR><BR> And as estarluego of IANA transition is complete. <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> Best regards <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> Alberto Soto <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> <a href="http://nuso.org/media/articles/downloads/2038_1.pdf " target=_blank >http://nuso.org/media/articles/downloads/2038_1.pdf </a><BR>&lt;<a href="http://nuso.org/media/articles/downloads/2038_1.pdf" target=_blank >http://nuso.org/media/articles/downloads/2038_1.pdf</a>&gt; : Kebir, Sabine: <BR> Catedrtica and
 German journalist. This text is a version <BR> Preliminary chapter III of his book Antonio Gramscis Zivilgesell Schaft <BR> (The civil society A. Gramscis. It is not only a summary of Gramscis but <BR> containing the views of Adam Ferguson, Adam Smith, Heguel, Marx and <BR> several more. <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> <a href="http://www.webdianoia.com/buscar/search.php?query=sociedad+civil " target=_blank >http://www.webdianoia.com/buscar/search.php?query=sociedad+civil </a><BR>&lt;<a href="http://www.webdianoia.com/buscar/search.php?query=sociedad+civil&search=1" target=_blank >http://www.webdianoia.com/buscar/search.php?query=sociedad+civil&search=1</a>&gt;<BR> &amp;amp; Search = 1 <BR><BR><BR> United Nations: <BR><BR><BR> <a href="http://www.un.org/es/civilsociety/ " target=_blank >http://www.un.org/es/civilsociety/ </a><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> <a href="http://www.cinu.org.mx/nuevo-ong/ " target=_blank >http://www.cinu.org.mx/nuevo-ong/
 </a><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> <a href="http://www.undp.org/content/undp/es/home/ourwork/partners/civil_society_orga " target=_blank >http://www.undp.org/content/undp/es/home/ourwork/partners/civil_society_orga </a><BR> nizations.html <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> <a href="http://uniclima.org.pe/la-onu/onu-y-sociedad-civil/ " target=_blank >http://uniclima.org.pe/la-onu/onu-y-sociedad-civil/ </a><BR><BR><BR> Other links: <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> <a href="https://www.deutschland.de/es/topic/vida/sociedad-integracion/facetas-de-la- " target=_blank >https://www.deutschland.de/es/topic/vida/sociedad-integracion/facetas-de-la- </a><BR> civil society <BR><BR><BR> <a href="http://www.guatemala.diplo.de/contentblob/2333074/Daten/450246/zivilgesellsc " target=_blank >http://www.guatemala.diplo.de/contentblob/2333074/Daten/450246/zivilgesellsc </a><BR> haft_es.pdf <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> ICANN 53, Buenos Aires, audio and transcripts in English, Spanish
 and <BR> Portugus: <BR><BR><BR> <a href="https://buenosaires53.icann.org/es/schedule/mon-civil-society-end-users/audi " target=_blank >https://buenosaires53.icann.org/es/schedule/mon-civil-society-end-users/audi </a><BR> o-civil-society-end-users-is-22jun15 <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> --- <BR> Avast antivirus software has analyzed this e-mail for viruses. <BR> <a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus " target=_blank >https://www.avast.com/antivirus </a><BR><BR><BR><BR>[[--Original text (es)<BR><a href="http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/da407dcfba.html" target=_blank >http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/da407dcfba.html</a><BR>--]]<BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>lac-discuss-en mailing list<BR><a ymailto="mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org" href="javascript:return">lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><BR><a href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en"
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