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    Dear Carlton,<br>
    <br>
    I appreciate your concern. Luckily my family is fine. We'll see if
    there is any damage in my apartment during the week. Life is
    irreplaceable while all the material things can be replaced.<br>
    In reference to your mail, I would like to ask more time to reply.
    Therefore, I can explain more deeply because I disagree with your
    position. I still have to deal with issues of LACRALO and also now
    with issues derivative from the earthquake.<br>
    <br>
    Thanking you in advance.<br>
    <br>
    Humberto<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 17/09/2015 a las 21:58, Carlton
      Samuels escribió:<br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
          ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">Humberto:</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
          ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">I hope the earthquake and
          tsunami has not affected you or your family directly and you
          are all safe and healthy. We are very sorry to hear of the
          devastation and the lives lost as a result. </div>
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          ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
          ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">Even before Jacqueline
          responds, I am responding to yours. Since I drafted the Rules
          of Procedure,  I can tell you authoritatively that in this
          instance it is Jacqueline that is correct. Your interpretation
          of the RoP fouls not just the intent of the rule but the plain
          language as well. </div>
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          ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
          ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">First of all, once credentials
          are issued to an ALS for an election, they are considered
          PRESENT. </div>
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          ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
          ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">Think now of your own national
          election, when Michelle Bachelet was elected President of
          Chile in 2013. Voting is now voluntary in Chile. You got your
          ballot when you arrived at the polling station in your
          electoral district.  You are then Present.  You could vote for
          Bachelet. You could vote for Mathei. Or, you could say 'to
          hell with the lot of them' and deliberately spoil the ballot.
          Or, if it is allowed, even walk away with the ballot in your
          pocket. Just another way to protest both candidates.</div>
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          ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
          ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">Lets begin to help you parse
          Rule 12, clause by clause.  Take the clause "<span
style="font-size:13.6364px;text-align:justify;font-family:arial,sans-serif">decisions
            shall be taken by a majority". </span></div>
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          ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><span
style="font-size:13.6364px;text-align:justify;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="text-align:justify"><font
            size="4" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Let's go back to
            elections in Chile. There is a concept of a runoff in
            Chilean elections, no?  I would presume you know why there
            is such a rule there? For the first time in 2013, unlike the
            previous three (3) national elections, no runoff. Can I
            therefore accept that you understand the meaning of the word
            'majority' in that context?  </font></div>
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            size="4" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="text-align:justify"><font
            size="4" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Majority has a
            very specific meaning.  It means over 50%, at minimum 50%
            +1. </font></div>
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            size="4" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br>
          </font></div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="text-align:justify"><font
            size="4" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Move to the next
            clause. This: </font><span style="font-size:13.6364px">"At
            Large Structures present and voting" shall mean At Large
            Structures casting an </span><font size="4">affirmative or
            negative vote</font><span style="font-size:13.6364px">"</span></div>
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            style="font-size:13.6364px"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="text-align:justify"><font
            size="4" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Note the use of
            the conjunction "OR" here. That 'or' is used to denote
            choice. Because depending on the question, one could respond
            in the affirmative (YES) or negative (NO).  In other words,
            both are definite responses.</font></div>
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            size="4" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="text-align:justify"><font
            size="4" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">The motion DID NOT
            give a plain choice of  YES or NO. That choice is assumed in
            execution.  All votes for Arcos must be interpreted as a
            YES. Similarly, the votes for Rojas must be interpreted as a
            YES.</font></div>
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            size="4" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="text-align:justify"><font
            size="4" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Finally, the last
            clause. This " </font><span style="font-size:13.6364px">At
            Large Structures abstaining from voting shall be regarded as
            having not voted."</span></div>
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            style="font-family:'comic sans
            ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="text-align:justify"><span
            style="font-family:'comic sans
            ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">I'm not sure if its the
            infinitive 'abstaining' that has you confused. But the word
            'abstain' in the motion means exactly what the rule says. 
            The term 'having not voted' is a direct instruction for
            interpreting the column 'abstain'. It means count them as a
            NO vote. </span></div>
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            style="font-family:'comic sans
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            style="font-family:'comic sans
            ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">So now, what of the other
            ballots?   Think about those for a few minutes.  And as you
            do so, think what would be a rational number to be returned
            for a candidate to say "I represent the interests of the
            majority of the membership of LACRALO".</span></div>
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            Carlton A Samuels<br>
            Mobile: 876-818-1799<br>
            <i><font color="#33CC00">Strategy, Planning, Governance,
                Assessment &amp; Turnaround</font></i><br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:11 PM,
          Humberto Carrasco <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:hcarrascob@gmail.com"
              target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hcarrascob@gmail.com">hcarrascob@gmail.com</a></a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span
                  lang="EN">Dear Jacqueline,</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span
                  lang="EN"><br>
                  I am sorry for the delay. This is because I try to
                  write in Spanish and English so that in that way the
                  two lists can clearly understand. This takes me
                  several hours.</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span
                  lang="EN"><br>
                  The rule 12.2 states:</span></p>
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                <p
style="margin-top:18.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:18.0pt;margin-left:0cm;text-align:justify"><span><span
                      lang="EN-US">12.2   Subject to the provisions of
                      Rules 6.2 and 16, decisions shall be taken by a
                      majority of the At Large Structures present and
                      voting; for the purpose of the present Rules, the
                      expression "At Large Structures present and
                      voting" shall mean At Large Structures casting an
                      affirmative or negative vote. </span></span><span><span>At
                      Large Structures abstaining from voting shall be
                      regarded as having not voted.</span></span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span
                  lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
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                  lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
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                  lang="EN"><br>
                  The rule regulates three situations:<br>
                  1. That an At Large Structure casts an affirmative
                  vote<i> </i><br>
                  2. That an At Large Structure casts a negative vote<br>
                  3. That an At Large Structure abstains from voting.<br>
                  <br>
                  An example covering these three situations would be:<br>
                  <br>
                  Do you support XXXX to become Chair of Lacralo??<br>
                  <br>
                  1. YES<br>
                  2. NO<br>
                  <br>
                  If an At Large Structure votes YES, it is issuing an
                  affirmative vote.<br>
                  If an At Large Structure votes NO, it is issuing a
                  negative vote.<br>
                  If an At Large Structure does nothing, it is
                  abstaining from voting.<br>
                  <br>
                </span><span lang="EN-GB">This example</span><span
                  lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB">perfectly</span><span
                  lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB">satisfy the</span><span
                  lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB">assumptions</span><span
                  lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB">of the rule</span><span
                  lang="EN">.<br>
                  However, in the situation arising from the ALAC Member
                  election, the situation is different and the rule does
                  not fit properly.<br>
                  The question asked was:</span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span
                  lang="EN"><br>
                  <br>
                  QUESTION: Who do you support to become the LACRALO
                  ALAC Representative for the period of two years
                  beginning at the end of the ICANN Dublin Meeting in
                  October 2015? Please either select one candidate from
                  the list below (listed in alphabetical order of the
                  family name) or abstain: </span></p>
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                style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span
                  lang="EN"> </span></p>
              <p
                style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol" lang="EN"><span>·<span
                      style="font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">      

                    </span></span></span><span lang="EN">Harold Arcos </span></p>
              <p
                style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol" lang="EN"><span>·<span>      
                    </span></span></span><span lang="EN">Juan Manuel
                  Rojas </span></p>
              <p
                style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol" lang="EN"><span>·<span
                      style="font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">      

                    </span></span></span><span lang="EN">Abstain</span></p>
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                style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span
                  lang="EN"> </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span
                  lang="EN">The vote given in favor of Harold Arcos or
                  Juan Manuel Rojas is an affirmative vote.<br>
                  The vote by abstention option is a negative vote.</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span
                  lang="EN">The ALSs who did nothing, they abstained
                  from voting.</span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span
                  lang="EN"><br>
                  <br>
                  Therefore, the results were delivered correctly.</span></p>
              <span class=""> <br>
                Regards <br>
                <br>
                <div>El 16/09/2015 a las 4:24, Jacqueline Morris
                  escribió:<br>
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                  <p dir="ltr">Dear colleagues<br>
                    I've thought deeply on this, reread the working and
                    final  documents from 2006 and 2007, and have  come
                    to some very certain conclusions.</p>
                  <p dir="ltr"> The Secretariat is the position under
                    which the ultimate responsibility for these
                    calculations resides. The fact that we have not
                    heard from Humberto on this issue is troubling.
                    Staff are available to assist the Secretariat and
                    Chair, but cannot bear the responsibility to the
                    membership, as they are not the ones that we voted
                    to hold such. </p>
                  <p dir="ltr">I also believe that the consequences of
                    the correct calculation of the vote should be
                    spelled out so that there is no confusion. </p>
                  <p dir="ltr">Given the very clear intent of the rule,
                    it is obvious that as a consequence any motion
                    (including motions for elections) CANNOT  be passed
                    if the weighted vote by ALS representatives that
                    abstain or do not vote is more than 50%. </p>
                  <p dir="ltr">Hence, I believe the motion to elect an
                    ALAC representative has failed.<br>
                    I look forward to the next steps, and I hope that
                    these, unlike the previous, will adhere to both the
                    letter and spirit of the Rules of the LACRALO as
                    drafted and duly approved.<br>
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                  <p dir="ltr">Jacqueline A. Morris<br>
                    Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous,
                    Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after <a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://twitter.com/chrislehmann"
                      target="_blank">Chris Lehmann</a> )</p>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 7:31
                    PM, Jacqueline Morris <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com"
                        target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com">jam@jacquelinemorris.com</a></a>&gt;</span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Hi Alberto
                        <div>I would like to insert some factual
                          historical information into this discussion.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>The concern when developing the RoP was to
                          ensure that a minority of the organisation
                          could not  agree to motions without a majority
                          present and voting. Hence, the rule for a
                          virtual assembly is that every ALS is
                          considered to be present as each is issued
                          voting credentials. And so a motion cannot be
                          carried on a minority voting on a motion if
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