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Dear Carlton,<br>
<br>
I appreciate your concern. Luckily my family is fine. We'll see if
there is any damage in my apartment during the week. Life is
irreplaceable while all the material things can be replaced.<br>
In reference to your mail, I would like to ask more time to reply.
Therefore, I can explain more deeply because I disagree with your
position. I still have to deal with issues of LACRALO and also now
with issues derivative from the earthquake.<br>
<br>
Thanking you in advance.<br>
<br>
Humberto<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 17/09/2015 a las 21:58, Carlton
Samuels escribió:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">Humberto:</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">I hope the earthquake and
tsunami has not affected you or your family directly and you
are all safe and healthy. We are very sorry to hear of the
devastation and the lives lost as a result. </div>
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ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">Even before Jacqueline
responds, I am responding to yours. Since I drafted the Rules
of Procedure, I can tell you authoritatively that in this
instance it is Jacqueline that is correct. Your interpretation
of the RoP fouls not just the intent of the rule but the plain
language as well. </div>
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ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">First of all, once credentials
are issued to an ALS for an election, they are considered
PRESENT. </div>
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ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">Think now of your own national
election, when Michelle Bachelet was elected President of
Chile in 2013. Voting is now voluntary in Chile. You got your
ballot when you arrived at the polling station in your
electoral district. You are then Present. You could vote for
Bachelet. You could vote for Mathei. Or, you could say 'to
hell with the lot of them' and deliberately spoil the ballot.
Or, if it is allowed, even walk away with the ballot in your
pocket. Just another way to protest both candidates.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">Lets begin to help you parse
Rule 12, clause by clause. Take the clause "<span
style="font-size:13.6364px;text-align:justify;font-family:arial,sans-serif">decisions
shall be taken by a majority". </span></div>
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ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><span
style="font-size:13.6364px;text-align:justify;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br>
</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="text-align:justify"><font
size="4" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Let's go back to
elections in Chile. There is a concept of a runoff in
Chilean elections, no? I would presume you know why there
is such a rule there? For the first time in 2013, unlike the
previous three (3) national elections, no runoff. Can I
therefore accept that you understand the meaning of the word
'majority' in that context? </font></div>
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size="4" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="text-align:justify"><font
size="4" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Majority has a
very specific meaning. It means over 50%, at minimum 50%
+1. </font></div>
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size="4" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="text-align:justify"><font
size="4" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Move to the next
clause. This: </font><span style="font-size:13.6364px">"At
Large Structures present and voting" shall mean At Large
Structures casting an </span><font size="4">affirmative or
negative vote</font><span style="font-size:13.6364px">"</span></div>
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style="font-size:13.6364px"><br>
</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="text-align:justify"><font
size="4" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Note the use of
the conjunction "OR" here. That 'or' is used to denote
choice. Because depending on the question, one could respond
in the affirmative (YES) or negative (NO). In other words,
both are definite responses.</font></div>
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size="4" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="text-align:justify"><font
size="4" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">The motion DID NOT
give a plain choice of YES or NO. That choice is assumed in
execution. All votes for Arcos must be interpreted as a
YES. Similarly, the votes for Rojas must be interpreted as a
YES.</font></div>
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size="4" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="text-align:justify"><font
size="4" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Finally, the last
clause. This " </font><span style="font-size:13.6364px">At
Large Structures abstaining from voting shall be regarded as
having not voted."</span></div>
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style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">I'm not sure if its the
infinitive 'abstaining' that has you confused. But the word
'abstain' in the motion means exactly what the rule says.
The term 'having not voted' is a direct instruction for
interpreting the column 'abstain'. It means count them as a
NO vote. </span></div>
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style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">So now, what of the other
ballots? Think about those for a few minutes. And as you
do so, think what would be a rational number to be returned
for a candidate to say "I represent the interests of the
majority of the membership of LACRALO".</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:11 PM,
Humberto Carrasco <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:hcarrascob@gmail.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hcarrascob@gmail.com">hcarrascob@gmail.com</a></a>></span> wrote:<br>
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style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span
lang="EN">Dear Jacqueline,</span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span
lang="EN"><br>
I am sorry for the delay. This is because I try to
write in Spanish and English so that in that way the
two lists can clearly understand. This takes me
several hours.</span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span
lang="EN"><br>
The rule 12.2 states:</span></p>
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style="margin-top:18.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:18.0pt;margin-left:0cm;text-align:justify"><span><span
lang="EN-US">12.2 Subject to the provisions of
Rules 6.2 and 16, decisions shall be taken by a
majority of the At Large Structures present and
voting; for the purpose of the present Rules, the
expression "At Large Structures present and
voting" shall mean At Large Structures casting an
affirmative or negative vote. </span></span><span><span>At
Large Structures abstaining from voting shall be
regarded as having not voted.</span></span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span
lang="EN"><br>
The rule regulates three situations:<br>
1. That an At Large Structure casts an affirmative
vote<i> </i><br>
2. That an At Large Structure casts a negative vote<br>
3. That an At Large Structure abstains from voting.<br>
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An example covering these three situations would be:<br>
<br>
Do you support XXXX to become Chair of Lacralo??<br>
<br>
1. YES<br>
2. NO<br>
<br>
If an At Large Structure votes YES, it is issuing an
affirmative vote.<br>
If an At Large Structure votes NO, it is issuing a
negative vote.<br>
If an At Large Structure does nothing, it is
abstaining from voting.<br>
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</span><span lang="EN-GB">This example</span><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB">perfectly</span><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB">satisfy the</span><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB">assumptions</span><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB">of the rule</span><span
lang="EN">.<br>
However, in the situation arising from the ALAC Member
election, the situation is different and the rule does
not fit properly.<br>
The question asked was:</span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span
lang="EN"><br>
<br>
QUESTION: Who do you support to become the LACRALO
ALAC Representative for the period of two years
beginning at the end of the ICANN Dublin Meeting in
October 2015? Please either select one candidate from
the list below (listed in alphabetical order of the
family name) or abstain: </span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span
lang="EN"> </span></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol" lang="EN"><span>·<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span lang="EN">Harold Arcos </span></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol" lang="EN"><span>·<span>
</span></span></span><span lang="EN">Juan Manuel
Rojas </span></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol" lang="EN"><span>·<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span lang="EN">Abstain</span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span
lang="EN"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span
lang="EN">The vote given in favor of Harold Arcos or
Juan Manuel Rojas is an affirmative vote.<br>
The vote by abstention option is a negative vote.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span
lang="EN">The ALSs who did nothing, they abstained
from voting.</span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span
lang="EN"><br>
<br>
Therefore, the results were delivered correctly.</span></p>
<span class=""> <br>
Regards <br>
<br>
<div>El 16/09/2015 a las 4:24, Jacqueline Morris
escribió:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Dear colleagues<br>
I've thought deeply on this, reread the working and
final documents from 2006 and 2007, and have come
to some very certain conclusions.</p>
<p dir="ltr"> The Secretariat is the position under
which the ultimate responsibility for these
calculations resides. The fact that we have not
heard from Humberto on this issue is troubling.
Staff are available to assist the Secretariat and
Chair, but cannot bear the responsibility to the
membership, as they are not the ones that we voted
to hold such. </p>
<p dir="ltr">I also believe that the consequences of
the correct calculation of the vote should be
spelled out so that there is no confusion. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Given the very clear intent of the rule,
it is obvious that as a consequence any motion
(including motions for elections) CANNOT be passed
if the weighted vote by ALS representatives that
abstain or do not vote is more than 50%. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Hence, I believe the motion to elect an
ALAC representative has failed.<br>
I look forward to the next steps, and I hope that
these, unlike the previous, will adhere to both the
letter and spirit of the Rules of the LACRALO as
drafted and duly approved.<br>
<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Jacqueline A. Morris<br>
Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous,
Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://twitter.com/chrislehmann"
target="_blank">Chris Lehmann</a> )</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 7:31
PM, Jacqueline Morris <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com">jam@jacquelinemorris.com</a></a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Alberto
<div>I would like to insert some factual
historical information into this discussion.</div>
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<div>The concern when developing the RoP was to
ensure that a minority of the organisation
could not agree to motions without a majority
present and voting. Hence, the rule for a
virtual assembly is that every ALS is
considered to be present as each is issued
voting credentials. And so a motion cannot be
carried on a minority voting on a motion if
the majority abstains or don't vote.</div>
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