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Dear Jacqueline,<br>
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I apologise for not replying before. I have been dealing with other
urgent LACRALO issues as well.<br>
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However, I will answer about this issue during the day.<br>
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Regards<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 16/09/2015 a las 4:24, Jacqueline
Morris escribió:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Dear colleagues<br>
I've thought deeply on this, reread the working and final
documents from 2006 and 2007, and have come to some very
certain conclusions.</p>
<p dir="ltr"> The Secretariat is the position under which the
ultimate responsibility for these calculations resides. The fact
that we have not heard from Humberto on this issue is troubling.
Staff are available to assist the Secretariat and Chair, but
cannot bear the responsibility to the membership, as they are
not the ones that we voted to hold such. </p>
<p dir="ltr">I also believe that the consequences of the correct
calculation of the vote should be spelled out so that there is
no confusion. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Given the very clear intent of the rule, it is
obvious that as a consequence any motion (including motions for
elections) CANNOT be passed if the weighted vote by ALS
representatives that abstain or do not vote is more than 50%. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Hence, I believe the motion to elect an ALAC
representative has failed.<br>
I look forward to the next steps, and I hope that these, unlike
the previous, will adhere to both the letter and spirit of the
Rules of the LACRALO as drafted and duly approved.<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Jacqueline A. Morris<br>
Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary,
Invisible and Free. (after <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://twitter.com/chrislehmann">Chris Lehmann</a> )</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 7:31 PM,
Jacqueline Morris <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com" target="_blank">jam@jacquelinemorris.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Alberto
<div>I would like to insert some factual historical
information into this discussion.</div>
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<div>The concern when developing the RoP was to ensure that
a minority of the organisation could not agree to motions
without a majority present and voting. Hence, the rule for
a virtual assembly is that every ALS is considered to be
present as each is issued voting credentials. And so a
motion cannot be carried on a minority voting on a motion
if the majority abstains or don't vote.</div>
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<div>I don't know when the change was made, but it is
counter to the established and documented process. I
believe if such a fundamental change were to be made to
the established voting process, it should have been
discussed and voted upon by the membership. It may be that
the Big Pulse system was wrongly programmed to calculate,
but it certainly should have been double checked!</div>
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<div>Sincerely</div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div>Jacqueline A. Morris</div>
<div>Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous,
Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after <span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16px;word-spacing:2px"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://twitter.com/chrislehmann"
target="_blank">Chris Lehmann</a> )</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at
6:21 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org">asoto@ibero-americano.org</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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Subject: The Numbers are Plain Wrong.<br>
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Lord Samuels, a continuation transcribe Rule
12.2 of the Common Rules<br>
LACRALO Procedure: In accordance with the
provisions of the<br>
Rules 6.2 and 16, decisions shall be by a
majority of decidirn<br>
Large Structures present and voting; for the
purposes of these Rules,<br>
the expression Large Structures present vote
will refer the<br>
<span> Large Structures casting an affirmative
or negative vote. At<br>
</span> Large Structures refrain from voting if
they considerarcomo<br>
they would not have voted.<br>
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In English: 12.2 Subject to the Provisions of
Rules 6.2 and 16, decisions<br>
Shall be taken by a majority of the At Large
Structures present and voting;<br>
for the purpose of the present Rules, the
expression &quot;At Large Structures<br>
present and voting &quot;shall mean At
Large Structures casting an affirmative or<br>
negative vote.At Large Structures abstaining
from voting Shall Be Regarded<br>
Having Voted as not.<br>
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As see, you have to count the number of ALS
present, it is,<br>
they have cast their vote, whatever its option.
We understand that<br>
Large structures who voted for the abstention
option, have issued<br>
one vote, which even can be considered
negative. Positive votes are<br>
those who go sb candidate.<br>
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The rule saying abstaining, we understand that
concern<br>
Scope those structures that have not No single
act. In<br>
simple terms did not vote for any option.<br>
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The Big Push system is automatic, no
intervention of any person.<br>
The percentage taken are correct.<br>
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Years ago that the system works the same way,
and has never been<br>
observed or rejected.<br>
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Made the clarification, I ask again please not
to issue<br>
grievances and insults on the list.<br>
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If you observe or perform a critical, please,
just doing hgalo<br>
s reference to the fact in citing the article
and reference standard.<br>
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Cheers<br>
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<br>
Alberto Soto<br>
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