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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">Mr. Samuels<span
style="mso-no-proof:yes">, <br>
<br>
To</span> further clarify our position, we want to explain the
nature of what
is <span style="mso-no-proof:yes">a point</span> of order.<br>
<br>
The UNGA Rules of Procedure, in particular, Article 79 of Annex
IV (a) of the
Rules of the General Assembly, gives a concept of what a point
of order:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoQuote" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="mso-ansi-language:
EN-US" lang="EN-US">79. The Special Committee recommends to the
General Assembly the
adoption of the following text as a description of the <span
style="mso-no-proof:
yes">concept</span> of a point of order [para. 229]:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoQuote" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="mso-ansi-language:
EN-US" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoQuote" style="text-align:justify"><b
style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal"><u><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">"(a)
A point
of order is basically an intervention directed to the
presiding officer,
requesting him to make use of some power inherent in his
office or <span style="mso-no-proof:yes">specifically</span>
given him under the rules of
procedure</span></u></b><span
style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">. <span
style="mso-no-proof:yes">It may, for example, relate to the
manner in which the
debate is conducted, to the maintenance of order, to the
observance of the
rules of procedure or to the way in which presiding officers
exercise the
powers conferred upon them by the rules.</span> Under a point
of order, a
representative may request the presiding officer to apply <span
style="mso-no-proof:yes">a certain</span> <span
style="mso-no-proof:yes">rule</span>
of procedure or he may question the way in which the <span
style="mso-no-proof:
yes">officer</span> <span style="mso-no-proof:yes">applies</span>
the <span style="mso-no-proof:yes">rule</span>. Thus, within
the scope of the <span style="mso-no-proof:yes">rules of
procedure</span>, representatives are enabled
to direct the attention of the presiding officer to violations
or
misapplications of the rules by other representatives or by the
presiding
officer himself. <span style="mso-no-proof:yes">A point of
order has precedence
over any other matter, including procedural motions (rules 73
[114] [Rule 71
[113] of the present rules of procedure] and 79 [120] [Rule 77
[119] of the
present rules of procedure]).</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoQuote" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="mso-ansi-language:
EN-US" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoQuote" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="mso-ansi-language:
EN-US" lang="EN-US">"(b) Points of order raised under <span
style="mso-no-proof:yes">rule</span>
73 [114]n involve questions necessitating a ruling by the
presiding officer,
subject to possible appeal. <b
style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"><span
style="mso-no-proof:yes">They are therefore distinct from
the procedural
motions provided for in rules 76</span></b><span
style="mso-no-proof:yes">
[117] [Rule 74 [116] of the present rules of procedure] to 79
[120]o which can
be decided only by a vote and on which more than one motion
may be entertained
at the same time, rule 79 [120]o laying down the precedence of
such motions.</span>
<b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"><u><span
style="mso-no-proof:yes">They
are also distinct from requests for information or
clarification, or from
remarks relating to material arrangements (seating,
interpretation system,
temperature of the room), documents, translations, etc.,
which - while they may
have to be dealt with by the presiding officer - do not
require rulings from
him.</span> However, in established United Nations
practice, a representative
intending to submit a procedural motion or to seek
information or clarification
<span style="mso-no-proof:yes">often</span> rises to 'a
point of order' as a
means of obtaining the floor. The latter usage, which is
based on practical
grounds, should not be confused with the raising of points
of order under <span style="mso-no-proof:yes">rule</span>
73 [114]</u></b>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-no-proof:yes"
lang="EN-US">If your request is reviewed, it can be observed
that the request it is not
directed to the President ‘<i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">requesting
him
to make use of some power inherent in his office or
specifically given him under
the rules of procedure</i>', but you requests ‘<i
style="mso-bidi-font-style:
normal">That the general assembly demonstrate its lack of
confidence in the
LACRALO leadership and vote on this motion</i>’.</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">In simple terms,
what you say is a point of order, it's really not. It is
therefore not possible
to give such treatment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<br>
Regards
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 10/09/2015 a las 3:39, Carlton
Samuels escribió:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAOZQb9SSSP+mjrwz6SzXGw=ydeckXUnyx1iF4rR3F+OP5AhKcQ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">Humberto:</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">With the greatest of patience,
you are wrong. Again.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">You are advised to read motion
again then consult the Rule of Procedure closely. Rule 18
contains the authority and guidance for action.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">The motion was timed for a
General Assembly. The question pertaining the vote and
distribution of credentials to members made it so.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">The vote IS the question for
decision.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">All the reasons for the motion
are concatenated; an illegal assembly, a failure of process
etc. The vote IS the question under discussion.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">If you don't understand the
reason for not invoking Rule 8, I can explain it to you.<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">I drafted the original Rules
of Procedure and remain the competent authority.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
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Carlton A Samuels<br>
Mobile: 876-818-1799<br>
<i><font color="#33CC00">Strategy, Planning, Governance,
Assessment & Turnaround</font></i><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 5:32 PM,
Humberto Carrasco <span dir="ltr"><<a
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target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hcarrascob@gmail.com">hcarrascob@gmail.com</a></a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">Dear Jacqueline,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">By this email we respond to your request.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">Overall,
we estimate that we cannot suspend the election for
the following reasons:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">1. The voting process began on Thursday,
September 3, <span>2015,</span> and runs <span>until</span>
Thursday, September 10, <span>2015</span> until 23:00
hours.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">2. The motion of Mr. Samuels was
presented on Friday, September 4, 2015.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">In his email, Mr. Samuels raised a Point
of Order and <span>offered</span> a <span>motion</span>
of NO CONFIDENCE in the LACRALO leadership.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">He pointed out <span>some</span>
arguments to justify his <span>action</span> and then
he ended with:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">"Resolved:</span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">That the general assembly demonstrate its
lack of confidence in the LACRALO leadership and vote
on this <span>motion</span>."</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">Thus, <span>this paragraph</span> says
nothing about any suspension.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">3. On 5 September, we informed to Mr
Samuels that we requested an official translation to
Spanish of his motion to be sent to the LACRALO's
Spanish list.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">4. Subsequently, the 7<sup>th</sup> of
September 2015 Alberto Soto informed that he had asked
for legal advice from ICANN’s legal staff regarding
this motion of censure.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">5. The RoP in Articles 8.1 and 8.2 states
the following:</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">8.1 During a discussion, any delegate may
raise a point of order; such a point of order shall be
immediately decided upon by the presiding officer.</span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">8.2 An appeal may be made against the
ruling of the presiding officer. Such an appeal shall
be put to the vote immediately and the presiding
officer's ruling shall <span>stand,</span> unless
overruled by a simple majority of the ALS present and
voting. <br>
<br>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">These
rules are silent regarding any suspension. Neither
there has been any appeal. In any case, an appeal did
not suspend the current vote.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">6. There are articles relating to the
suspension <span>in</span> Rule 9 that provides:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">Rule 9 - Procedural Motions </span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">9.1 During a discussion, any delegate
may move the suspension or adjournment of the meeting
or the adjournment or closure of the debate. </span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">9.2 Such a motion shall be put to the
vote immediately. Subject to Rule 8.1, such motions
shall have precedence in the following order over all
other proposals or motions before the meeting: </span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">(a) Suspension of the meeting; </span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">(b) Adjournment of the meeting; </span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">(c) Adjournment of the debate on the
question under discussion; </span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">(d) Closure of the <span>debate</span>
on the <span>question</span> under discussion.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB">7. - Finally, with regard to the
arguments and accusations of Mr. Samuels, they will be
answered once the official translation into Spanish is
sent to the LACRALO's Spanish list. <br>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"><br>
Regards.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
Alberto Soto<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Humberto Carrasco</font></span>
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<div>El 09/09/2015 a las 15:39, Jacqueline Morris
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Humberto
<div>I'm confused - there was a motion on the
table from Carlton - the motion of No
Confidence. According to the RoP, this motion
needs to be debated and voted BEFORE the vote on
ALAC rep can continue (it takes precedence).
This hasn't been done, so how can the vote on
ALAC rep be ending tomorrow?</div>
<div>Or was there a vote on the motion and I
missed it?</div>
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<div>I am particularly concerned given the number
of procedural mistakes that seem to have
occurred recently. We don't want more issues
with this vote.<br>
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<div>Jacqueline A. Morris</div>
<div>Technology should be like oxygen:
Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free.
(after <span
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Subject: Re: VOTE NOTICE: 2015 VOTE FOR
REPRESENTATIVE LACRALO ALAC / 2015 VOTE FOR
REPRESENTATIVE TO THE LACRALO ALAC<br>
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Dear,<br>
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Do not forget that within Voting ends
tomorrow Thursday 10<br>
September 2015 at 23:00 UTC.<br>
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Cheers<br>
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The 04/09/2015 at 0:00, <a
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> Asunto: VOTO ANUNCIO: 2015 VOTO PARA
LACRALO ALAC REPRESENTANTE / 2015 VOTO PARA
REPRESENTANTE DE LACRALO ANTE EL ALAC<br>
> De: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org"
target="_blank">staff@atlarge.icann.org</a><br>
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> [ES]<br>
> Queridos todos,<br>
><br>
><br>
> LACRALOs Presidencia y Secretaría
gustaría anunciar el inicio de la votación<br>
> al Representante LACRALO ALAC para el
período de dos años a partir de las<br>
> Al final de la reunión de Dublín ICANN
en octubre de 2015. Esta encuesta estará
abierta<br>
> desde jueves 03 septiembre 2015 hasta
Jueves 10 de septiembre 2015 a las 23:00 UTC.<br>
><br>
><br>
> ***<br>
> PREGUNTA: ¿A quién apoyas a convertirse
en el ALAC Representante LACRALO para<br>
> el período de dos años a partir de
finales de la reunión de la ICANN en Dublín<br>
> 10 2015? Por favor, seleccionar un
candidato de la lista de abajo (que se
enumeran<br>
> por orden alfabético del nombre de la
familia) o abstenerse:<br>
> * Harold Arcos<br>
> * Juan Manuel Rojas<br>
> * Abstenerse<br>
> ***<br>
> Información adicional se puede
encontrar en la página de elecciones Wiki:<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://community.icann.org/x/moAQAw"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/x/moAQAw</a>.<br>
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> ==<br>
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> [ES]<br>
> Hola a todos,<br>
><br>
><br>
> El Presidente y secretario de LACRALOs
quisieran anunciar el inicio del<br>
> por voto párrafo Elegir al
Representante de LACRALO ante el ALAC
Representante<br>
> EL PERIODO DE 2 aos Empezando al final
de de la reunin de Dubln en Octubre<br>
> del 2015. La votacin estarabierta desde
el Lunes 03 de Setiembre 2015 al<br>
> Viernes 10 de Setiembre 2015 a las
23:00 UTC.<br>
><br>
><br>
> ***<br>
> PREGUNTA: A quien Elige Usted Para Ser
Representante del LACRALO ante el<br>
> ALAC POR EL PERIODO DE 2 aos Comenzando
en la reunión de la ICANN en Octubre<br>
> del 2015? Por favor ELIJA UN Candidato
de la Lista Abajo (en Orden<br>
> alfabtico) o abstngase:<br>
> * Harold Arcos<br>
> * Juan Manuel Rojas<br>
> * Abstencin<br>
> ***<br>
> Informacin Adicional Se Puede Encontrar
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> Saludos,<br>
><br>
><br>
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