<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">Humberto:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">With the greatest of patience, you are wrong. Again.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">You are advised to read motion again then consult the Rule of Procedure closely. Rule 18 contains the authority and guidance for action.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">The motion was timed for a General Assembly. The question pertaining the vote and distribution of credentials to members made it so.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">The vote IS the question for decision.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">All the reasons for the motion are concatenated; an illegal assembly, a failure of process etc. The vote IS the question under discussion.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">If you don't understand the reason for not invoking Rule 8, I can explain it to you.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">I drafted the original Rules of Procedure and remain the competent authority.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:large">-Carlton Samuels</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><br>==============================<br>Carlton A Samuels<br>Mobile: 876-818-1799<br><i><font color="#33CC00">Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround</font></i><br>=============================</div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Humberto Carrasco <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hcarrascob@gmail.com" target="_blank">hcarrascob@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">Dear
Jacqueline,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">By
this email we respond to your request.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">Overall,
we
estimate that we cannot suspend the election for the following
reasons:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">1.
The voting process began on Thursday, September 3, <span>2015,</span> and runs <span>until</span>
Thursday, September 10, <span>2015</span>
until 23:00
hours.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">2.
The motion of Mr. Samuels was presented on Friday, September 4,
2015.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">In
his
email, Mr. Samuels raised a Point of Order and <span>offered</span>
a <span>motion</span> of NO CONFIDENCE
in the LACRALO
leadership.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">He
pointed out <span>some</span>
arguments to justify his
<span>action</span> and then he ended
with:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">"Resolved:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">That the general
assembly demonstrate its lack of
confidence in the LACRALO leadership and vote on this <span>motion</span>."<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">Thus,
<span>this paragraph</span> says
nothing about any suspension.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">3.
On 5 September, we informed to Mr Samuels that we requested an
official translation
to Spanish of his motion to be sent to the LACRALO's Spanish
list.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">4.
Subsequently, the 7<sup>th</sup> of September 2015 Alberto Soto
informed that
he had asked for legal advice from ICANN’s legal staff regarding
this motion of
censure.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">5.
The RoP in Articles 8.1 and 8.2 states the following:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">8.1 During a
discussion, any delegate may raise a point of
order; such a point of order shall be immediately decided upon
by the presiding
officer.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">8.2 An appeal may be
made against the ruling of the
presiding officer. Such an appeal shall be put to the vote
immediately and the
presiding officer's ruling shall <span>stand,</span>
unless overruled by a simple majority of the ALS present and
voting. <br>
<br>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">These
rules
are silent regarding any suspension. Neither there has been any
appeal.
In any case, an appeal did not suspend the current vote.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">6.
There are articles relating to the suspension <span>in</span>
Rule 9 that provides:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">Rule 9 - Procedural
Motions <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">9.1 During a
discussion, any delegate may
move the suspension or adjournment of the meeting or the
adjournment or closure
of the debate. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">9.2 Such a motion
shall be put to the vote
immediately. Subject to Rule 8.1, such motions shall have
precedence in the
following order over all other proposals or motions before the
meeting: <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">(a) Suspension of
the meeting; <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">(b) Adjournment of
the meeting; <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">(c) Adjournment of
the debate on the question under
discussion; <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">(d) Closure of the <span>debate</span>
on the <span>question</span> under
discussion.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">7.
-
Finally, with regard to the arguments and accusations of Mr.
Samuels, they will
be answered once the official translation into Spanish is sent
to the LACRALO's
Spanish list. <br>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"><br>
Regards.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
Alberto Soto<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Humberto Carrasco</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div>El 09/09/2015 a las 15:39, Jacqueline
Morris escribió:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Humberto
<div>I'm confused - there was a motion on the table from Carlton
- the motion of No Confidence. According to the RoP, this
motion needs to be debated and voted BEFORE the vote on ALAC
rep can continue (it takes precedence). This hasn't been done,
so how can the vote on ALAC rep be ending tomorrow?</div>
<div>Or was there a vote on the motion and I missed it?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I am particularly concerned given the number of procedural
mistakes that seem to have occurred recently. We don't want
more issues with this vote.<br>
</div>
</div>
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<div>
<div>
<div>Jacqueline A. Morris</div>
<div>Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous,
Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after <span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16px;word-spacing:2px"><a href="http://twitter.com/chrislehmann" target="_blank">Chris
Lehmann</a> )</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2015-09-09 9:18 GMT-04:00 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hcarrascob@gmail.com" target="_blank">hcarrascob@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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Subject: Re: VOTE NOTICE: 2015 VOTE FOR REPRESENTATIVE
LACRALO ALAC / 2015 VOTE FOR REPRESENTATIVE TO THE LACRALO
ALAC<br>
From: <a href="mailto:hcarrascob@gmail.com" target="_blank">hcarrascob@gmail.com</a><br>
<br>
Dear,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Do not forget that within Voting ends tomorrow Thursday 10<br>
September 2015 at 23:00 UTC.<br>
<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
The 04/09/2015 at 0:00, <a href="mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org" target="_blank">staff@atlarge.icann.org</a>
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> Asunto: VOTO ANUNCIO: 2015 VOTO PARA LACRALO ALAC
REPRESENTANTE / 2015 VOTO PARA REPRESENTANTE DE LACRALO ANTE
EL ALAC<br>
> De: <a href="mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org" target="_blank">staff@atlarge.icann.org</a><br>
><br>
> [ES]<br>
> Queridos todos,<br>
><br>
><br>
> LACRALOs Presidencia y Secretaría gustaría anunciar
el inicio de la votación<br>
> al Representante LACRALO ALAC para el período de dos
años a partir de las<br>
> Al final de la reunión de Dublín ICANN en octubre de
2015. Esta encuesta estará abierta<br>
> desde jueves 03 septiembre 2015 hasta Jueves 10 de
septiembre 2015 a las 23:00 UTC.<br>
><br>
><br>
> ***<br>
> PREGUNTA: ¿A quién apoyas a convertirse en el ALAC
Representante LACRALO para<br>
> el período de dos años a partir de finales de la
reunión de la ICANN en Dublín<br>
> 10 2015? Por favor, seleccionar un candidato de la
lista de abajo (que se enumeran<br>
> por orden alfabético del nombre de la familia) o
abstenerse:<br>
> * Harold Arcos<br>
> * Juan Manuel Rojas<br>
> * Abstenerse<br>
> ***<br>
> Información adicional se puede encontrar en la página
de elecciones Wiki:<br>
> <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/moAQAw" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/x/moAQAw</a>.<br>
><br>
><br>
> ==<br>
><br>
><br>
> [ES]<br>
> Hola a todos,<br>
><br>
><br>
> El Presidente y secretario de LACRALOs quisieran
anunciar el inicio del<br>
> por voto párrafo Elegir al Representante de LACRALO
ante el ALAC Representante<br>
> EL PERIODO DE 2 aos Empezando al final de de la
reunin de Dubln en Octubre<br>
> del 2015. La votacin estarabierta desde el Lunes 03
de Setiembre 2015 al<br>
> Viernes 10 de Setiembre 2015 a las 23:00 UTC.<br>
><br>
><br>
> ***<br>
> PREGUNTA: A quien Elige Usted Para Ser Representante
del LACRALO ante el<br>
> ALAC POR EL PERIODO DE 2 aos Comenzando en la reunión
de la ICANN en Octubre<br>
> del 2015? Por favor ELIJA UN Candidato de la Lista
Abajo (en Orden<br>
> alfabtico) o abstngase:<br>
> * Harold Arcos<br>
> * Juan Manuel Rojas<br>
> * Abstencin<br>
> ***<br>
> Informacin Adicional Se Puede Encontrar En La pgina
WIKI:<br>
> <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/moAQAw" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/x/moAQAw</a>.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Saludos,<br>
><br>
><br>
> Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella
Gruber, Nathalie<br>
> Peregrine y Terri Agnew<br>
> El personal de ICANN política en apoyo de ALAC<br>
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