<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large">Um, well, here we go again. The ignorance of LACRALO institutional arrangements is now past troubling.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large">Yet again, I urge the leadership to take up and study the instruments. You are not doing yourself proud in these episodes. And worse, there is a certain arrogance coming across with the ignorance.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large">Language is defined in the Operating Principles, a must read for the Secretariat. Here's the relevant section, in English:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif">Operating Principles : </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><i><font face="georgia, serif">"The LacRALO will be multilingual from its inception. All documents</font></i></div><div class="gmail_default"><i><font face="georgia, serif">will be written and all discussions will be held in English and Spanish. It</font></i></div><div class="gmail_default"><i><font face="georgia, serif">is planned to add Portuguese and French in the near future and to</font></i></div><div class="gmail_default"><i><font face="georgia, serif">periodically reassess the need to add other languages used in the region."</font></i></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif">That is a definition of official as we can get.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans ms',sans-serif">-Carlton Samuels</div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><br>==============================<br>Carlton A Samuels<br>Mobile: 876-818-1799<br><i><font color="#33CC00">Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround</font></i><br>=============================</div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Humberto Carrasco <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hcarrascob@gmail.com" target="_blank">hcarrascob@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Well,<br>
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I am not saying that Spanish is the official language. I say that we have no official language in LACRALO because our Operative principles and RoP say nothing about that.<br>
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Regards<br>
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El 29/07/2015 a las 08:34 p.m., BANGO escribió:<br>
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My! My! The official language of ICANN is English. Is it different in the regions? Of course if you deem the official language to be Spanish in LACRALO, Long live the Emperor.<br>
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ROK<div><div class="h5"><br>
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Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Rule 11.2<br>
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Dear Roosvelt,<br>
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Why do you think the official language is English in LACRALO?<br>
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Regards<br>
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El 29/07/2015 a las 08:27 p.m., Roosevelt King escribió:<br>
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"In no case" means "under any circumstances", even if you say there are exceptions, the exceptions would be one case/circumstance... the rule says, "in no case". I am not sure what is so difficult about that to understand or is it a case of unwillingness to understand? The English version does not confirm your interpretation and hence there is no way that the Spanish version could. Using language as a Red Herring? Is not the official language English? The Spanish translators need to get it right? You questioning the translation? That does not make you right???<br>
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ROK<br>
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From: Humberto Carrasco [mailto:<a href="mailto:hcarrascob@gmail.com" target="_blank">hcarrascob@gmail.com</a>]<br>
Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 14:49<br>
To: <a href="mailto:rok@bango.org.bb" target="_blank">rok@bango.org.bb</a>; 'Bartlett Morgan'<br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Rule 11.2<br>
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I disagree.<br>
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Furthermore, if you read the Spanish version, the wording confirms our interpretation.<br>
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Regards<br>
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El 29/07/2015 a las 07:23 p.m., Roosevelt King escribió:<br>
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Bartlett is correct.<br>
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ROK<br>
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Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 10:31<br>
To: Humberto Carrasco<br>
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Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Rule 11.2<br>
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Hi Humberto,<br>
The controlling phrase in the rule is "in no case less than two weeks".<br>
Therefore even in the case of exceptions, that requirement would have to be complied with.<br>
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I don't think your interpretation is faithful to the plain literal meaning of the rule.<br>
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$.02<br>
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Bartlett Morgan<br>
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On Jul 29, 2015 9:33 AM, Humberto Carrasco <<a href="mailto:hcarrascob@gmail.com" target="_blank">hcarrascob@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Dear Dev,<br>
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There is no misunderstanding.<br>
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The rule says "As a general rule", in spanish "Como regla General". This wording means, that there could be some exceptions. We used this exception.<br>
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I explained the reasons before.<br>
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Regards<br>
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El 29/07/2015 a las 02:06 p.m., Dev Anand Teelucksingh escribió:<br>
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I'll repost Rule 11.2 since there seems to be a misunderstanding.<br>
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11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment shall be discussed or put to the vote unless it has been circulated sufficiently in advance, but in no case less than two weeks, to all participants in the working languages of the Assembly.<br>
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11.2 Como regla general. sólo se tratarán y se someterán a votación las resoluciones o enmiendas que se hayan distribuido con al menos dos semanas de anticipación, a todos los participantes de la Asamblea, en todos los idiomas con los que ésta trabaje.<br>
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Dev Anand<br>
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