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<div>Casi siempre he coincidido con Carlton, esta no es una de esas oportunidades. </div>
<div>Creo debemos y no sólo en este caso empezar a defender la condición y el espacio de usuarios finales individuales. NO Business. NO Goverment.</div>
<div>Por ello he retirado mi apoyo a la candidatura de mi amigo Lance, ya que comparto con la mayoría la existencia de conflicto de intereses. COMO TAMBIÉN EXISTEN EN OTROS DENTRO DE LACRALO. </div>
<div>Además la posición del staff en su actuación en este caso y la de los oficiales X no oponerse de hecho ab initio, me parece, al menos desalentadora, tanto como la defensa de un candidato que no puede ser.</div>
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<div>De: José Ovidio Salgueiro <salgueiro.jo@gmail.com></div>
<div>Fecha:23/07/2015 07:32 PM (GMT-03:00) </div>
<div>Para: LACRALO list <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org></div>
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<div class="x_gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Muy bien dicho Sergio.</div>
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<div class="x_gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Y el interesado sigue sin aparecer. Solo llegan sus defensores</div>
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<div class="x_gmail_quote">2015-07-23 17:59 GMT-04:30 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bronstein.sergio@gmail.com" target="_blank">bronstein.sergio@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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</span> From: <a href="mailto:bronstein.sergio@gmail.com">bronstein.sergio@gmail.com</a><br>
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Sometimes you have to read nonsense ...<br>
Please let us raise the level of debate.<br>
thanks in advance,<br>
Sergio Bronstein<br>
<span class=""> The 23/07/2015 17.55, <<a href="mailto:devtee@gmail.com">devtee@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Asunto: Re: ¿Es éste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff<br>
</span>> De: <a href="mailto:devtee@gmail.com">devtee@gmail.com</a><br>
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> Para seguir en la hipocresía ( <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy</a>)<br>
> comentarios re: conflicto de intereses.<br>
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> Esto es lo que está en el perfil de Sergio Salinas Porto:<br>
> <a href="https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto</a><br>
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> &quot;El señor Salinas Porto está involucrado en una serie de otras<br>
> organizaciones internacionales y<br>
> organizaciones y proyectos regionales; él es un miembro del Foro para<br>
> Democrática y Popular de Comunicación, Secretaría de Mar de Plata<br>
> Comunicación para la Central de Trabajadores Argentinos, y el Jefe de<br>
> Nuevo<br>
> Tecnologías y Negocios de la Asamblea de Pequeños y Medianos<br>
> Mar división de Empresarios de Plata &quot;.<br>
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> Entonces, ¿cómo es que Sergio no tiene un conflicto de interés por ser<br>
> LACRALO como un &quot;usuario de negocio&quot;, ya que está involucrado<br>
> con la Asamblea de<br>
> Pequeños y medianos empresarios?<br>
><br>
><br>
> Saludos,<br>
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><br>
> Dev Anand Teelucksingh<br>
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> El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 5:44 de la tarde, Carlton Samuels <<br>
> <a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a>><br>
> escribió:<br>
><br>
><br>
> > My friend Alejando, I'm going to irritate you some more with rhetoric.<br>
> And<br>
> > do please accept I am using the classic [English] meaning of the word.<br>
> ><br>
> > What is alleged is purely unfortunate bullshit.<br>
> ><br>
> > Lance Hinds is articulated to ICANN via an MOU with ICANN and caucus with<br>
> > the At-Large and LACRALO as a representative of DevNet; he's the Chairman<br>
> > and its representative to LACRALO.<br>
> ><br>
> > Devnet is a non-governmental organisation that provides ICT development<br>
> > services to those who are on the poor side of the digital divide. DevNet<br>
> > thusly represents end user interests. Think of Devnet as Guyana's<br>
> version<br>
> > Internauta Usarios etc. etc.<br>
> ><br>
> > The man is President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce by virtue of<br>
> > his ownership of a small business; Brainstreet Technologies. He derives<br>
> > his income, his living wage, principally from that business. He DOES NOT<br>
> > get paid as President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce.<br>
> ><br>
> > Here's the issue. It is not unusual for those of us in the Caribbean to<br>
> > have many lives; its called responding to capacity deficit. To say that<br>
> > Lance cannot be a businessman and also represent end user interests when<br>
> > he's Chairman of an NGO - the one thru which he's connected to the ICANN<br>
> > system - just looks delusional for some of us.<br>
> ><br>
> > At least for those of us in the Caribbean who are volunteers for one<br>
> thing<br>
> > or other.<br>
<span class="">> ><br>
> > -Carlton<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > ==============================<br>
> > Carlton A Samuels<br>
</span>> > Mobile: <a href="tel:876-818-1799" value="+18768181799">876-818-1799</a><br>
<span class="">> > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*<br>
> > =============================<br>
> ><br>
</span><span class="">> > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <<br>
> > <a href="mailto:apisan@unam.mx">apisan@unam.mx</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> Carlton,<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable<br>
> >> conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once<br>
> the<br>
> >> election was in course.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Simple. No rhetoric needed.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Alejandro Pisanty<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br>
> >> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty<br>
> >> Facultad de QuÃmica UNAM<br>
> >> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
</span>> >> <a href="tel:%2B52-1-5541444475" value="+5215541444475">+52-1-5541444475</a> FROM ABROAD<br>
> >><br>
> >> <a href="tel:%2B525541444475" value="+525541444475">+525541444475</a> DESDE MÉXICO SMS
<a href="tel:%2B525541444475" value="+525541444475">+525541444475</a><br>
> >> Blog: <a href="http://pisanty.blogspot.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
http://pisanty.blogspot.com</a><br>
> >> LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty</a><br>
<span class="">> >> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,<br>
> >> <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614</a><br>
</span>> >> Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/apisanty" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
http://twitter.com/apisanty</a><br>
<span class="">> >> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, <a href="http://www.isoc.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
http://www.isoc.org</a><br>
</span><span class="">> >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .<br>
> >> ------------------------------<br>
</span>> >> *Desde:* <a href="mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">
lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a> [<br>
<span class="">> >> <a href="mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">
lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>] en nombre de Carlton<br>
</span>> >> Samuels [<a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a>]<br>
<span class="">> >> *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03<br>
</span>> >> *Hasta:* <a href="mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org">lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br>
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<div class="x_h5">> >><br>
> >> *CC:* Albert Daniels<br>
> >> *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against<br>
> >> At-Large Staff<br>
> >><br>
> >> I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO<br>
> >> is debilitating.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so<br>
> >> cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do<br>
> what<br>
> >> I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit.<br>
> >><br>
> >> But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just<br>
> >> too much and I must break my silence.<br>
> >><br>
> >> In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit:<br>
> >><br>
> >> Definitions of bullshit<br>
> >> noun<br>
> >> stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense.<br>
> >> verb<br>
> >> talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> ​It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by<br>
> At-Large<br>
> >> staff in this instance and I will tell you why.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will<br>
> >> repeat it here for effect.<br>
> >><br>
> >> In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and<br>
> >> where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all<br>
> >> other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly<br>
> [s]elected. ​<br>
> >><br>
> >> But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process<br>
> >> is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.<br>
> >><br>
> >> We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the<br>
> >> nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election<br>
> >> process into question.<br>
> >><br>
> >> So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come<br>
> >> along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is<br>
> a<br>
> >> poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the<br>
> >> first place!<br>
> >><br>
> >> As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for<br>
> >> other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome<br>
> >> after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real<br>
> risk<br>
> >> of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good<br>
> >> Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.<br>
> >><br>
> >> In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed<br>
> >> colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated<br>
> >> unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only<br>
> for<br>
> >> the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a<br>
> single<br>
> >> 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and<br>
> >> expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very<br>
> >> important ICANN councils.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to<br>
> >> muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris<br>
> >> being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing<br>
> to do<br>
> >> then.<br>
> >><br>
> >> With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And<br>
> >> the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for<br>
> Lance<br>
> >> Hinds.<br>
> >><br>
> >> It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is<br>
> >> because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first<br>
> place.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now<br>
> >> erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of<br>
> 'impropriety'<br>
> >> raised!<br>
> >><br>
> >> So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume<br>
> >> the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even<br>
> >> asleep at the switch.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other<br>
> >> operating conditions are applied.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Go figure.<br>
> >><br>
> >> -Carlton Samuels<br>
> >><br>
> >> ==============================<br>
> >> Carlton A Samuels<br>
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> >> Mobile: <a href="tel:876-818-1799" value="+18768181799">876-818-1799</a><br>
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> >><br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> ><br>
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