[lac-discuss-en] Posición de LACRALO

Fri Feb 15 17:19:07 UTC 2019

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Subject:Re:  Posición de LACRALO
Desde:Alberto Soto <alberto at soto.net.ar>

Totally agree Ricardo. But by the rules in force in Lacralo, who occupies the Secretariat, is who is in charge of communications.
Greetings cordialed

Alberto Soto
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On Feb. 15 2019, at (s) 14:04, Ricardo Holmquist <rihogris at gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Alberto,
I believe that asking Harold Arcos to pronounce himself, because he lives in Venezuela, is to disqualify the work of those in Venezuela, including Alejandro Acosta, and who is Director of ISOC Venezuela.

To put in context what is happening now, the main ISP of Venezuela (with more than 70% of the fixed connections, and 40% of the mobile connections) is blocking the different platforms of social networks at the time of issuance of any message from opposition spokespersons, being in Venezuela this is virtually the only way to broadcast a message, since television, radio and newspapers are already prohibited from giving voice to opposition spokespersons. This blockage is done through DNS locks, affecting its operation. There are serious studies of what is happening.

Last week the opposition launched a volunteer platform, the aforementioned ISP took an additional step, and redirected the DNS of the volunteer platform, twice, to two different sites, committing several crimes under Venezuelan law. Among them phising and DNS spoofing. Crimes both condemned worldwide and included in the Budapest Convention, (of which Venezuela unfortunately is not a signatory).

This ISP is owned by the government of Venezuela.

The previous representative (and even a member) of Internauta Venezuela is (or was) a manager of this company.

Up to now, worldwide, we considered phising as a cyber crime, where we have dealt as individuals and as institutions to warn users of this practice, since it is generally carried out to commit crimes, especially financial ones.

Our concern is that it is the Government, through one of its companies, that is carrying out these crimes.
Who defends the user?

The least we expect from LACRALO is a communiqué condemning the crimes of DNS spoofing (and any type of cyber crimes), since they threaten the stability of the network.

regards

Ricardo Holmquist

Fri., Feb. 15 2019 at 16:33, Alberto Soto ( <alberto at soto.net.ar> ) wrote:

Well, I'd like to hear from Harold Arcos, who lives there and is our representative.

Best regards

Alberto Soto

On February 15, 2019, at 2:11 am, Alejandro Acosta <alejandroacostaalamo at gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Tocayo,
You have no idea how much I appreciate your comments. Unfortunately in this email I will not point to anyone specifically.
I would like to mention (in the same context of ideas), that I received communications from several people who in private showed some possibility of at least one letter or mention by some ALS or with much luck of LACRALO, I hope so.
I take the opportunity to indicate that despite having many years in the middle (> two decades) I consider myself quite new in this world of LACRALO. However, I am no stranger to his work and I have always felt a deep respect for several of my friends who have passed through here.
Today a person from ICANN sent an email to another list and it had written -among other things- "to help guarantee a global, unified, stable and secure Internet". In my super humble opinion I feel that LACRALO does not follow these words. Ojo, I do not want to criticize the current chair or any, not least the previous ones, I even put myself in this bag too ..., I just feel that something can be done and that our duty is to do it.

What can be done?.
1) Identify countries, cities, people where the Internet is not free, unified, secure, etc., etc.
2) The same of countries "that break" Internet, DNS, etc., etc.
3) Countries that do not comply with a, b, c, d of cybersecurity
4) Much more

aha, they identified
then what? ..., contact, teach, move with them, converse, TAKE a position, offer a hand, etc., etc.

I am going to extend myself a little more .., eye, once again I recognize that I have very little experience in LACRALO, what I am going to say is not necessarily "achievable"

- LACRALO probably wants to discuss technical topics but they focus on the political (I talk about the politically correct and / or get involved)
- When it's not something political you want to take to the economic (my thinking reviewing the history of the list .., I reviewed hundreds of messages)

What I feel with the last two points is that they place a giant stone to advance in some points.
Gentlemen, what LACRALO does (and does not do) has a VERY big impact on the Internet of Latam. The only thing that we are all looking for is a better Internet in each country of our region,

Regards,

Alexander,
PS Finally, regarding the involvement of the workplace of one of our representatives, I dare not say anything at this time.

On 2/14/19 at 20:26, Alejandro Pisanty wrote:

Dear Alejandro Acosta,

I see as surely as you do, with sadness, the silence that has followed our communications.

A review of the forensic analysis of the DNS phishing and redirecting incident that we are discussing, and that has been widely published, indicates that the workplace of one of our regional representatives is directly involved in the operation. This requires, at least, a clarification, given that the event has given rise to very strong complaints from users in the country in question. It would be difficult to consider them represented in these terms.

Alejandro Pisanty

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 2:12 PM Dr.Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <apisan at unam.mx> wrote:
Dear Alejandro Acosta, I agree in general with the position of Vanda in that it is not appropriate that as LACRALO or ICANN we express ourselves regarding a phishing incident, although the one in question is an incident that is not aimed at causing patrimonial damage (In that case it would be a crime and not a political act).Where I think we should deepen is in the fact that we report an incident that manipulates the resolution of names in the DNS at the level of a ccTLD or an operator very close to it, that is, with the potential to affect all users Internet of a country in its rights. This would be even more important insofar as the organization that carried out this activity had representatives in our community, who would have to explain the aforementioned measures in terms compatible with their role as representatives of the users.This possibility underscores the importance of ALSs and their representatives declaring their interests in relation to actors other than users, such as
  ISPs and ccTLD operators and other registries. Alejandro Pisanty - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Faculty of Chemistry UNAM Av.Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www. isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .________________________________________ From: lac-discuss-es [lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Alejandro Acosta [alejandroacostaalamo at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 10:03 To: lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Position of LACRALO Gentlemen, One query:
even when LACRALO is going to turn a blind eye (understand ignoring) Web page locks, URLs, DNS and a thousand other things that happen in our region every day. Be careful, I'm not saying that LACRALO has to fix the problem but take a position.And before they tell me that it is not something related to DNS, IF there is a lot of DNS included in all this. By the way, remember the slogan: "One world, one Internet" Greetings, Alejandro, _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org / mailman / listinfo / lac-discuss-en http://www.lacralo.org _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org https: //atlarge-lists.icann. org / mailman / listinfo / lac-discuss-en http://www.lacralo.org

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