[lac-discuss-en] [lac-discuss-es] Fwd: [ALAC-Announce] REMINDER / Meeting Invitation: ALAC Monthly Call on Tuesday, 22 May 2018 at 12:00 UTC

Mon May 21 17:09:00 UTC 2018

I'm on assignment in Suriname but dearly wish to add my 2 cents to this
debate.  Pity is my 2 cents will involve delivering a history lesson, for
which I now don't have the time.

I am socialized to the view that when you wish to see whats in the gut of
an ant, sometimes its best to step on it. And in my view, the CPH missive
offered nothing more than a disapproval of the ALAC's approach to
interpretation of the ITEMS report, NOT on what of the report was given
consideration by the ALAC.

As I understand it, what was produced for the Board has had the full
treatment of the entire ALAC and, some outside the ALAC. I frankly am in a
minority in certain areas of the At-Large response since I would have
preferred the language of the response to be direct, pungent and memorable.
That idea was rejected on account the membership erred on the side of
appeasement.

The CPH narrative has a history; largely bound to this idea advanced by
embedded elements of the CPH that "we" are the ones providing the money to
support the layabout At-Large tourists. While it is undoubtedly true some
of our brethren has laboured assiduously to encourage that labeling from
those elements of the CPH, I wish to be clear about of my declared and on
record position. That narrative is insulting, ahistorical and a execrable
misstatement of fact. I'm looking for a draft response penned years ago by
my friend Evan Leibovitch that was rejected by the then ALAC as incendiary.
That made all the points I would wish to air. And yes, I was a fellow
traveler on that one.

Let me quote my countryman Bob Marley in context: 'if you don't know your
history you will not know your destiny".

-Carlton

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On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <
carlosraul at gutierrez.se> wrote:

> Thanks for your fast and thorough response Ricardo!
>
> First of all, let me clarify that I was referring to the letter of the CPH
> only. Not of the NCSG.
>
> As NomCom nominated member of the GNSO assigned to the CPH, I must tell
> you that I have never gotten the feeling that anything discussed in either
> group of the CPH is driven by hate. Moreover, over the last year the
> discussions on budget, reviews and the need for a lot of volunteer support
> for the very necesary policy development have been the main issues
> discussed at all levels of the GNSO, CPH and Registries and Registrars
> stakeholder groups. I really see no reason by reading the letter to assume
> any hidden motivation for this letter and hope that LACRALO as a Group will
> do as well. We really have to avoid such comments unless you have any way
> to substantiate them.
>
> The budgetary, personal and accountability stress that the oong list of
> reviews has on the whole organization is more than well documented, as you
> can see from the recent blog and webinar that will deal in detail with
> short and long term proposal from the organzation to the community to deal
> with the high responsability of all review. I can't read more in Graeme's
> letter that a very big worry about the high standars we expect from all
> reviews that justify the newly won independence of ICANN.
>
> I look forward to your feedback and comments on our next LACRALO call,
> maybe on 28 May if it gets confirmed, as I have another call tomorrow
> monring and wont be able to follow the ALAC call.
>
> I wish you a very nice week.
> ---
> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
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> El 2018-05-21 07:04, Ricardo Holmquist escribió:
>
> Dear Carlos Raul,
> The point is not in agenda, but for sure we can arise it as an AOB item.
>
> In other hand, the actual answer from Alan Greenberg is that the NCSG
> letter is not official, and that once official, ALAC will answer it.
>
> IMHO both letters were written with more hate than real toughs. I might
> agree that the external review have some trues, but my first reading a
> while ago is that it also contains a bunch of missinformation and half
> trues (reading both letters, I can find where they came from).
>
> It was the work of a lot of people, not only from ALAC, but from all the
> RALOs, involved in the preparation of the answer, also there were at least
> two comment periods, and the opportunity to submit comments to the LACRALO
> or ALAC working on it (I was not in ALAC, nor in the WG, altough I send
> several comments at the time).
>
> This is almost in the final steps of approval (or not) from the Board, to
> begin an implementation plan, where for sure, we all need to put more than
> a grain of sand to make it work, not only for ALAC, but importantly for
> LACRALO.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Ricardo Holmquist
>
>
>
> On Mon, 21 May 2018 at 13:50, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <crg at isoc-cr.org>
> wrote:
>
>> To our LACRALO representatives in ALAC,
>>
>>
>> I kindly request to our members in ALAC, to take the opportunity of this
>> call and discuss the CPH letter of 7 May to the ICANN Chairman on the ALAC
>> Implementation Overview Proposal, Approved by the ALAC, 20 April 2018 (both
>> attached for your convenience). Under any circumstance (not only present
>> budgetary constrains) this letter from a GNSO constituency as very relevant
>> to our past and future work, and we should be have all elements for a
>> serious discussion on our next LACRALO call on 28 May.
>>
>> Happy week to all
>>
>> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
>> ISOC Costa Rica Chapter
>> skype carlos.raulg
>> +506 8837 7176
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>> Subject: [ALAC-Announce] REMINDER / Meeting Invitation: ALAC Monthly Call
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