[lac-discuss-en] CROP quitado del presupuesto de ICANN

Thu Feb 15 13:57:18 UTC 2018

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Subject:Re:  CROP quitado del presupuesto de ICANN
Desde:DIEGO ALFONSO ACOSTA BASTIDAS <dacostabastidas at dtech.ec>

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Diego Acosta Bastidas

On February 15, 2018, 8:54, Vanda Scartezini <vanda at scartezini.org> wrote:
Humberto, I agree that we have a joint opinion, however strong, but that is brief.
The problem of obtaining positions of all is the disproportionate time to obtain such a proposal since they are all volunteers and it is not that we can say that we want it for tomorrow.
If at least we achieve a joint position of ALAC and other Ralos we will continue. When ready we can send to NCUC, NPOC .. to see if they sign under it.
I know if it's optimal, if not, it would be fine too.

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From: "lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org" <lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Humberto Carrasco <hcarrasco at cmsz.cl> Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 22:44 To: Alberto Soto <asoto at ibero-americano.org> Cc: Diego Acosta <dacostabastidas at dtech.ec> , "lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org" <lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] CROP removed from ICANN budget

Thank you very much

It would be good to continue the debate and see if we can have any consensus on this issue.

I'm copying Silvia Vivanco to open a wiki page and reflect the opinions on this topic. In this way, our RALO could show opinions about this problem. (Positive or negative)

In turn, it would serve to generate a contribution to an eventual declaration as a whole. Personally, I believe that a joint declaration of RALOs, ALAC, NCUC, NPOC, IPC and if you can also the GNSO is necessary.

There will be a period of one week to comment on it, counted this period from today.

regards

On 02-14-2018, at (20:19), Alberto Soto <asoto at ibero-americano.org> wrote:

Dear Alejandro, in principle I think it is the President of LACRALO who should direct and coordinate this issue, indicating what should be done.
The cancellation of this program implies, for example, non-attendance to the IGFs of our Region, to the LACIGF, to events organized by our ALSs, and several other things.
In the ICANN justification, it adduces budgetary reasons. But on the other hand, a lot of people have been appointed with remuneration in ICANN.It has also been determined to form the Office in ICANN, with functions that can be developed by the Human Resources office, without the need to increase the number of personnel. It is a sign that they are increasingly turning to ICANN with a complex bureaucracy, which many of us fail to understand.
Last year the subject of translations was already being discussed, and I had to talk. The CEO of ICANN replied that they were "spending" a certain annual amount for it (I do not remember the same). I answered that it was not an expense, but an investment. And we all know that language is one of the diversities that must be respected.

Regarding the achievements with the CROP program, you are right. The trip you remember, was planned thoroughly. The result was an ALS in Haiti that is participating in the meetings, and one in the Dominican Republic, which is not participating.
In recent years, no applications have been made in the CROP program. In particular, I made two requests, one was not answered and the other was approved. Last year there was another for Cuba, but still with no results.But from this last one I will be in charge without traveling, since prior to that trip of CROP, and I had already reached the contact and sent everything necessary for the analysis by the organization.

Best regards

Alberto Soto

From: lac-discuss-es [mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On behalf of Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 06:55 pmTo: DIEGO ALFONSO ACOSTA BASTIDAS <dacostabastidas at dtech.ec> ; León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe at sanchez.mx> CC: lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] CROP removed from ICANN budget

Hello,

There is so much that can not be understood if it is not understood that Leon was already exposed to the limit with what he wrote ...

Preparing the community for the undeniable possibility that the counterpart has arguments:

1.
What effect does the cancellation of the program have?
less travel or just less bureaucracy?If travel is reduced,
Is it the cancellation effect of the program or a budgetary readjustment?

2. if you were to argue in defense of the program,
What would be the essential points of your contribution that would stand out? What I record by heart is the incorporation of ONE Haitian organization that can be attributed to the CROP (P) activity of Alberto Sot. And during the years that CROPP was in force,
in what did LACRALO improve as part of ICANN? (as a reference: the situation of LACRALO reached the point of requiring the intervention of two professional mediators, one year after its inception remains unfinished).And the participation of a sub-region that has the most votes has practically vanished in that same year.

3. punctually,
What can be noted as an increase in LACRALO interventions in the ICANN PDPs attributable to CROPP?
what other objectives of the program were satisfied, and could not be without it?

Objective arguments for greater success, if possible.

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From: lac-discuss-es [lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of DIEGO ALFONSO ACOSTA BASTIDAS [dacostabastidas at dtech.ec] Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 15: 47 To: León Felipe Sánchez Ambía CC: lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] CROP removed from ICANN's budget
Dear Le + on Felipe
What do you think if we jointly prepare a draft for discussion, evaluation and contributions from the community.
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Diego Acosta Bastidas

On February 14, 2018, 13:25, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe at sanchez.mx> wrote:

Hi Humberto and Alberto,

I think a joint statement plus one from the ALAC would have a lot of weight.

On this side I am also following up.

regards

Lion
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Feb 14, 2018, at 10:29 am, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob at gmail.com> wrote:

Alberto,

Even when I'm on vacation, I've been reviewing this issue and pending emails.

We agree that we must make the respective claim. We'll see if we can do all the RALOS together too.

regards

Humberto Carrasco Blanc Lawyer Associate Professor Economic-Commercial Law Universidad Católica del Norte - Coquimbo LLM Queen Mary University of London PhD University of Edinburgh

On 02-14-2018, at 12:43, Alberto Soto <asoto at ibero-americano.org> wrote:

Dear, it has been confirmed that the CROP program will no longer be in the next ICANN budget.
I suggest to the leadership of LACRALO to consider this situation, in order to make a claim to be considered necessary.

Below the explanation after a query.

Best regards

Alberto Soto

Do not.In considering the cost of support to constituent travelers
in the draft FY19 budget, as the locations of ICANN Public
meetings in FY19 are more expensive than in FY18 and
ICANN's resources are stable, ICANN has suggested to preserve
the core constituent travel support to SOs / ACs to participate in
ICANN Public meetings but eliminate the fund of the CROP,
among other reductions.

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