[lac-discuss-en] lac-discuss-en Digest, Vol 90, Issue 72

[marcellus Jean Bernard]

Hi Mr Alberto Soto, how are you? I want to work with you Haitian
legislation in technological matters, knowing that a bill is filed to the
Haitian parliament as being responsible for commite AtLarge


Jean Bernard
AHI ( Association Haitienne des Internautes)

2016-02-22 17:48 GMT-08:00 <lac-discuss-en-request at atlarge-lists.icann.org>:

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>    1. Re: Outreach and Engagement SC (Dev Anand Teelucksingh)
>    2. Re: Outreach and Engagement SC (Alberto Soto)
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>
> ---------- Message transféré ----------
> From: Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee at gmail.com>
> To: LACRALO discussion list <lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 18:20:28 -0400
> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Outreach and Engagement SC
> Alberto, you continue to misrepresent the situation, which is
> unfortunate. I have already posted information
> (
> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2016-January/014205.html
> )
> and again have the emails from you and Humberto on these matters and
> thus the evidence to contradict your statements.
>
> Unfortunately, the At-Large doesn't have much time to have calls with
> interpretation but I'll ask At-Large Staff if there are any
> opportunities for a conference call with interpretation on Thursday 25
> February or Friday 26 February
> and if so, ask for a Doodle to be sent. This call would be with the
> LACRALO members of the Outreach and Engagement SC, yourself and
> LACRALO representatives and anyone else in LACRALO interested on
> identifying outreach events in LAC region, what would be possible
> CROPP proposals to send and the ongoing efforts to identify possible
> stakeholders in the LAC region and other next steps.
>
> Dev Anand
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 9:28 PM,  <asoto at ibero-americano.org> wrote:
> >
> > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
> >
> >  Subject: Re: Outreach and Engagement SC
> >  from: asoto at ibero-americano.org
> >
> >  Dear Alan, I know in detail all these rules, so realicmi
> >  order.
> >
> >
> >  1. Participation Subcomitde Proyecciny
> >
> >
> >      LACRALO was not consulted on the Strategic Plan for the Region. It
> was
> >  Chair approved by the SC, unlike other Ralos that could
> >  prepare and approve its own Strategic Plan, habindolo treaty
> >  internally. The Chair of the SC has no power to generally plan
> >  strategic without consultation, and allow the entire region to achieve
> a consensus
> >  thereon.
> >  Nevertheless, to avoid interference or harm our region, we
> >  forward with l. Again, the main point is that it has powers
> >  for what that realized. But the main issue is not the difference
> >  contents of the plan, but the procedure carried out. Dejde side to
> >  LACRALO leadership and all its members, which considered
> >  gravity.
> >
> >
> >  2. CROPP Program
> >
> >
> >  The Chair of Subcomitde Proyecciny participation and is also Chair
> >  the CROPP program after approving a strategic plan for our region
> >  without authority they now decided to implement the plan
> >  Strategic, and define who encargary who viajaren his
> >  implementacin. But this time also without authority, has
> >  Sern defined that members of Subcomitde Proyecciny
> >  Those who harn participation. This without any involvement or
> consultation
> >  with LACRALO. I must mention that there are SC members who long ago
> >  have not engaged in any activity in LACRALO (meetings
> >  monthly, ratings, webinars).
> >  This procedure is not established by the program to determine CROPP
> >  the trips. S, it required to be submitted the draft approved by
> consensus
> >  and raised by regional leaders for approval by the program
> >  CROPP. And this is what is not estcumpliendo. Spaces will be used
> >  LACRALO not approved for this procedure, and there we found out. And
> that
> >  I also think critically.
> >
> >
> >  Regarding the trip Haity Dominican Republic, he was only cited for
> >  a difference of procedure that made the Chair of CROPP with another
> >  application was filed out of time and we solicital
> >  President and Secretary, and to keep that square, it approved, assuming
> >  the responsibility not to consult our Regin ..
> >
> >
> >  For the record: about the trip he took the Lord Dev Anand
> >  Teelucksingh, in the same meeting that would travel Buenos definiquien
> >  Aires, the same authorization solicitla the President and Secretary
> >  LACRALO to travel to Buenos Aires, which although it was not the
> >  CROPP program hinted that from that moment it was. And the
> >  We authorize. This is contained in the records of that meeting.
> >
> >
> >  Best regards
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Alberto Soto
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  -----Original message-----
> >  From: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >  [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On behalf of
> >  alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
> >  Posted on: wednesday, February 17, 2016 21:51
> >  To: lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >  Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Outreach and Engagement SC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  [[Translated text (in -&gt; en) -]]
> >
> >
> >  Subject: Re: Outreach and Engagement SC
> >  From: alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
> >
> >
> >  Dear Alberto,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  I will comment on the issues of commitment and divulgaciny
> >  CROPP issues separately. Although the two groups estn
> >  chaired by the same person, operating under different rules and
> >  processes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Participation Proyecciny Subcomitde
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  The Subcommittee (SC) is composed of two members appointed by each RALO
> ms
> >  any others who chose to participate.Operationally, the
> >  SC does not distinguish between the two types of participants.
> Leadership SC
> >  It is selected by the SC in s. View (&lt;
> >
> https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ALAC+Subcommittee+on+Outreach+an
> >  d + Engagement&gt;
> https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ALAC+Subcommittee+o
> >  n + + and + Engagement Outreach)
> >  for more details.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  There are 14 members of LACRALO, more than any other region.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Any work product of the SC should be a product of all the SC,
> >  or at least those who choose to be active and should definitely
> participar.Que
> >  officers include members selected by the region. The SC can
> >  RALOS decide to ask for input, but even if it does not work,
> >  responsibility of regional members to ensure that the region
> >  is involved. In an environment of multiple stakeholders, each
> >  participant can not get exactly what you want, but each
> >  participant must have an opportunity to be heard. If a product of
> >  is working on a particular region (as it is for the CROPP
> >  strategies), which clearly has a very important role to region
> >  to play.For LACRALO, we go to great efforts to ensure that
> >  SC Spanish interpretation to ensure that its members can
> >  participate equally.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  To the best of my knowledge, there has been no major complaint within
> the
> >  SC people estn not being heard.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Independence RALOS, like most things in
> >  life is not absolute. In many cases, a ALAC SC
> >  or GT carried out the work on behalf of ALAC and
> >  In general. They do it with the participation of
> >  people of all General regiones.En these
> >  decisions or documents not affect what a RALO
> >  you can do, but sometimes gives the ALAC SC
> >  explicit responsibility to take action on behalf
> >  ALAC and At-Large even if the results do not
> >  return to the ALAC for ratification.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  In the case of CROPP especfico strategy
> >  document, I'm not an expert, but I see a
> >  big difference between the resulting document
> >  and what I've heard is of interest to especfico
> >  LACRALO. The exact wording may be different, but
> >  the intention seems to be the same. But regardless of how
> >  I read, if the region has a problem, which should
> >  be treated within the SC, and for those
> >  LACRALO appointed to work on the SC. Shay
> >  It is a situation in which members and ComitDirectivo
> >  President
> >  and co-chairs can not solve a problem, I hope
> >  that leadership ALAC presentaramo
> >  Team, ensuring that the ALT members of the region is aware of
> >  problem.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  You mention that the internal document LACRALO
> >  tena more concrete details.That is
> >  razonable.Como understand the situation, the
> >  GSE plans someterna not exigique
> >  level of detail and application. While
> >  the two were complementary and did not conflict, no ningn
> >  problem.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  CROPP program
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Last year, the CROPP program within At-Large was
> >  conducted by the team of revision CROPP (RT) from
> >  the previous year. The stream consists of RT
> >  two people from each region, one appointed by the
> >  Members of Subcomitde Finance and Budget,
> >  and a member of the Scope and Participation SC.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  A requests for use of funds ranging from CROPP
> >  initiator for RALO and then the CROPP RT.
> >  Exactly how sparse approved a project to
> >  RALO. I suspect that most RALOS do this with
> >  its leadership team and perhaps some others.
> >  Once the CROPP RT is notified by the RALO leadership
> >  the application is approved by the thinning, the CROPP
> >  RT should review. They have a duty to ensure
> >  that the application complies with the regional strategy and
> >  It is in every way a good peticin.Si not estn
> >  satisfied, they can reject the request or
> >  send it back to the originator or to RALO
> >  modification. My understanding is that the
> >  LACRALO Haity trip to the Dominican Republic
> >  It was satisfactory and I see no need for
> >  NEXT review the process this time.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  For the record, Dev Anand did not Teelucksingh
> >  travel to Buenos Aires on CROPP funds. Your trip
> >  It was funded by GSE under a completely different program.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  I hope this is addressed to all their problems.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Regards, Alan
> >  > TRADUCCIÓN POR SILVIA VIVANCO:
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > Estimado Alan, estoy obligado como Presidente de LACRALO
> >  > Estar en contacto sobre este tema:
> >  >
> >  > La insistencia del presidente de un Subcomité
> >  > Del ALAC (Alcance y Participación SC) en
> >  > Toma de decisiones, que deben, por reglamento será
> >  > Hecho dentro de LACRALO y con pleno
> >  > Participación de sus miembros ALSs, me obliga a hacerlo.
> >  >
> >  > Comentarios de Pisanty y yo se han citado
> >  > Como si fueran una aprobación del Plan
> >  > Generado en la O / E Subcomité, que actuó
> >  > Sin consultar previamente el documento que
> >  > Ya habíamos preparado. Tanto la mía, y la
> >  > Opinión de Alejandro Pisanty eran críticos de dicho documento.
> >  > Posteriormente, ya pesar de la mala procedimiento, que,
> >  > En la pantalla de la buena voluntad y la búsqueda de la paz en nuestra
> >  > Región, aceptado este plan, a pesar del hecho
> >  > Que la nuestra tenía detalles más concretos sobre la
> >  > países, de acuerdo con la lista que rápidamente
> >  > Presentada, y mucho antes de este Plan Estratégico.
> >  >
> >  > El detalle principal era que el plan debe tener
> >  > en cuenta de forma prioritaria, los países
> >  > Que tuvo la tasa más baja de internet
> >  > Penetración, como una manera para iniciar la requerida
> >  > Mayor apoyo y las principales acciones de coordinación con ICANN GSE.
> >  > Pedí aclaraciones del Presidente de
> >  > El Subcomité de nuestra última reunión mensual.A
> >  > Esa reunión, no sólo insistió en su
> >  > Error, pero confirmó que las personas
> >  > Formación de tales Subcomité estaría a cargo de
> >  > La ejecución de dicho proyecto y que eran
> >  > También el análisis de las alternativas de la CROPP
> >  > Programa para su aplicación por parte de dicho Subcomité.
> >  >
> >  > En resumen: en primer lugar una ALS presenta una
> >  > Proyecto, que deberá ser aprobado por consenso
> >  > Dentro de LACRALO y luego dirección del LACRALO
> >  > Lo envía para su aprobación a través del programa CROPP y luego a GSE.
> >  >
> >  > Ellos están asumiendo un poder que no lo hace
> >  > Corresponderles, a pesar de que habíamos pedido por
> >  > Correo electrónico y en la última reunión mensual que no lo hicieron.
> >  >
> >  > También insistió en que el Subcomité
> >  > Formado por miembros de LACRALO, erróneamente
> >  > La comprensión de este tipo de acciones validadas.
> >  >
> >  > El MOU que LACRALO ha firmado con la ICANN,
> >  > Nos da la independencia en las decisiones, lo cual
> >  > Debe tomarse dentro del ámbito de nuestra Región
> >  > Y dentro de nuestra área de discusión normativa, no se
> >  > Dentro de un Subcomité de ALAC, a pesar del hecho
> >  > Que este se compone de miembros de LACRALO.
> >  >
> >  > En los enlaces que aparecen en el correo electrónico a continuación,
> se
> >  > Ver que un programa similar para AFRALO era
> >  > Aprobado por los miembros de AFRALO de Septiembre
> >  > 21, 2015; de APRALO por sus líderes el 3 de julio,
> >  > 2015; de NARALO por Glenn McKnight 4l 4 de agosto de
> >  > 2015; de EURALO por Dev Anand Teelucksingh la
> >  > 29 de de septiembre de 2015; y la LACRALO también por
> >  > Dev Anand Teelucksingh el 15 de septiembre de 2015. En
> >  > Menos para LACRALO, que ha tomado un papel que no le corresponde.
> >  >
> >  > En los correos electrónicos citados por el Presidente de la
> >  > Subcomité, existen inconsistencias tales como
> >  > El intercambio de correos electrónicos a la propuesta de
> >  > Carlton Samuels para ir a Surinam; esto sólo fue
> >  > Presentada por Dev Anand Teelucksingh en el
> >  > Encuentro que tuvimos en el Haití y Dominicana
> >  > República.Había tal urgencia que no lo hicimos
> >  > Tener tiempo para enviarlo a LACRALO y
> >  > Excepcionalmente decidimos con Humberto en
> >  > Esa reunión a fin de evitar la pérdida de nuestra asignación de viaje
> >  >
> >  > En la reunión previa a la última reunión de
> >  > ICANN en Buenos Aires, se dice que estamos de acuerdo
> >  > Y publicado los nombres de los que viajaría a dicha reunión.
> >  >
> >  > CROPP? S Silla, Dev Anand Teelucksingh,
> >  > Publicado tales nombres, pero omitidas en el
> >  > Listar su propio nombre, porque viajó a
> >  > Argentina con una asignación de viaje del programa de este tipo.
> >  >
> >  > Para salvaguardar nuestras decisiones, nuestra autonomía y
> >  > La esperanza de evitar inconvenientes futuros, solicito
> >  > Que se procede a emitir la Directiva correspondiente a dicho
> Subcomité.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  > Estimado Alan, me veo Obligado Como Presidente de LACRALO un Ponerme
> en
> >  > Contacto por este tema.
> >  >
> >  > La insistencia del Presidente de la ONU Subcomitde ALAC (Alcance y
> >   > SC) en Tomar Decisiones Que por norma Deben tomarse en el interior de
> >  > LACRALO y con participacin de Sus Miembros ALS, me obli un Ello.
> >  > Las repetidas aclaraciones ninguna decisin ESA justifican.
> >  >
> >  > Se ha Citado comentarios de Alejando Pisanty ymos Como Si hubieran
> Sido
> >   > Aprobacin del Plan de Generado en ESE subcomitsin Haber consultado
> >  > Previamente el documento con El que ya contbamos. Tanto la opinin de
> >  > Alejandro Como la ma, Eran crticas de tal documento. A posteriori y
> una
> >   > ESE mal Procedimiento, Como la Muestra de Buena Voluntad y buscando
> la
> >   > Nuestra Regin, dimos Como Aceptado DICHO plan, PESE una cola el
> nuestro
> >   > Detalles ms Concretos Sobre los paSES, segn La Lista Que Yo
> oportunamente
> >  > Presentara, los antes y Mucho of this Plan de Estratgico. El detalle
> era
> >
> >
> >  > Que se deba Tener en Cuenta de Como priority, un paSES Aquellos Que
> >   > El menor ndice de penetracin de Internet, Como una forma de Comenzar
> por
> >  > Los Que requeran alcalde Apoyo y mayores: acciones de una Coordinar
> con
> >   > ICANN.
> >  >
> >  > Pedaclaraciones al Presidente del Subcomiten Nuestra ltima reunin
> >  > Mensual; allno en solitario insistien error Do, Sino Que las
> confirmque
> >  > Personas Integrante de DICHO Subcomitse haran cargo de la
> IMPLEMENTACIÓN
> >  > Plan de DICHO, y adems Estaban analizado las Alternativas del Programa
> >  > CROPP para su IMPLEMENTACIÓN por parte de Subcomit DICHO. Como
> sntesis de
> >  > Tema this en particular: Primero Una ALS Presenta Proyecto de las
> >
> >
> >  > Por consensus en LACRALO Y LUEGO EL Liderazgo de LACRALO lo ENVA
> párrafo
> >   > Aprobacin al Programa CROPP y de alla GSE. Se estn arrogando Una
> >  > Atribucin Que No corresponde, PESE un Que se pidipor electrónico y en
> la
> >   > Reunin mensual Que No lo hicieran.
> >  >
> >  > Tambin insistien Que DICHO subcomitestaba Conformado por Miembros de
> >  > LACRALO, Entendiendo errneamente Que Ello convalidaba cuentos:
> acciones.
> >  > El MOU Que Tiene LACRALO Firmado con la ICANN, nos da la
> Independencia en
> >   > Decisiones, Las Que Deben tomarse DENTRO DEL Ã mbito de Nuestra
> Reginy
> >   > Nuestro à mbito normativo de discusiones, y sin within ONU Subcomitde
> >  > ALAC, PESE una cola estintegrado por Miembros de LACRALO.
> >  >
> >  > En los une Que estn indicados en el correo electrónico de abajo, Se
> Puede
> >   > Programa similares de AFRALO FUE Aprobado por los Miembros de AFRALO
> el
> >   > Septiembre de 2015; El de APRALO Por Sus lderes el 3 de julio de
> 2015; EL
> >  > De NARALO por Glenn McKnight 4l 4 de agosto de 2015; El de EURALO por
> Dev
> >  > Anand Teelucksingh el 29de septiembre de 2015; y el de LACRALO tambin
> por
> >  > Dev Anand Teelucksingh el 15 de septiembre de 2015. Al menos por
> LACRALO,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  > Ha Tomado Una atribucin Que No le corresponde.
> >  >
> >  > En los citados electrónico Por El Presidente Del subcomit,
> >   > Cuentos Como el Intercambio de correos para la Propuesta de Carlton
> >   > To go una Suriname; ESTO FUE solitario Presentado por Dev Anand
> >   > Una reunin Que mantuvimos por el tema de Haity Repblica Dominica.Era
> >  > Con tal urgencia Que No tuvimos Tiempo de presentarlo ante LACRALO y
> >  > Excepcionalmente lo definimos con Humberto en ESA reunin para no
> perder
> >   > Viaje de CROPP. En la reunin previa al ltimo reunión de la ICANN en
> >   > Aires, se cita Que concordamos y were Publicados los Nombres de
> Quienes
> >  > Viajaran una reunión DICHO. El Presidente del CROPP, Dev Anand
> >   > Nombres publicdichos, Pero omitien La Lista el suyo propio, dado Que
> >  > Viajcon Una vacante de DICHO Programa.
> >  >
> >  > Por el resguardo de Nuestras Decisiones, Nuestra Autónoma, y
> >   > Evitar Futuros inconvenientes, solicito tengas a bien dar la
> directiva
> >  > Correspondiente una ESE Subcomit.
> >  >
> >  > Saludos cordiales
> >  >
> >  > Alberto Soto
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [[--Original text (es)
> > http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/84c682a75f.html
> > --]]
> >
> >
> >
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>
> ---------- Message transféré ----------
> From: Alberto Soto <asoto at ibero-americano.org>
> To: <staff at atlarge.icann.org>
> Cc: "'LACRALO list'" <lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org>, "'Karlene
> Francis'" <karlenef at gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 22:47:49 -0300
> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Outreach and Engagement SC
>
> Dear, please, can you  remove a mailing list to  Karlene Francis [
> mailto:karlenef at gmail.com <karlenef at gmail.com>]. The ALS is  The
> University of West Indies     .
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Alberto
>
>
>
> *De:* Karlene Francis [mailto:karlenef at gmail.com]
> *Enviado el:* lunes, 22 de febrero de 2016 22:27
> *Para:* Alberto Soto
> *CC:* LACRALO list
> *Asunto:* Re: [lac-discuss-en] Outreach and Engagement SC
>
>
>
> Dear Alberto,
>
>
>
> I belong to UWI. Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Karlene Francis
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: <asoto at ibero-americano.org>
> Date: Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Outreach and Engagement SC
> To: lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Cc: lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>
>
>
> [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
>
>  Subject: Re: Outreach and Engagement SC
>  from: asoto at ibero-americano.org
>
>  In order to complete the order Karlene, you would be so kind as to tell
> me to ALS belong?
>  Thank you.
>  Alberto Soto
>
>
>  Sent from my ASUS
>
>
>  -------- Original message --------
>  From: karlenef at gmail.com
>  Posted: Thu, February 18, 2016 8:37:55 -0300
>  To: lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>  Cc: lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>  Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Outreach and Engagement SC
>  >
>  > [[- Translated text (es -&gt; en) -]]
>  >
> > Asunto: Re: Alcance y Compromiso SC
> > De: karlenef at gmail.com
> >
> > Estimado Alberto,
> >
> >
> > Es lamentable que todavía existen tan enorme nivel de desconfianza en
> LACRALO. La situación es ahora insostenible. Por favor retire mi nombre de
> todas las listas de correo. No deseo ser un miembro de este grupo.
> >
> >
> > Saludos,
> > karlene Francisco
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 17 Feb 2016, at 7:48 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Alberto,
> >>
>
> >> I will comment on the issues of the Outreach and Engagement and CROPP
> issues separately. Despite the two groups being chaired by the same person,
> they operate under different rules and processes.
> >>
> >> Subcommittee on Outreach and Engagement
> >>
> >> The Subcommittee (SC) is composed of two members named by each RALO
> plus any other people that chose to participate. Operationally, the SC does
> not distinguish between the two types of participants. The SC leadership is
> selected by the SC itself. See (
> https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ALAC+Subcommittee+on+Outreach+and+Engagement
> ) for further details.
> >>
> >> There are 14 members from LACRALO, more than from any other region.
> >>
> >> Any work product of the SC should be a product of the entire SC, or at
> least those who choose to be active and participate. That certainly should
> include the official members selected by the region. The SC may decide to
> ask RALOs for input, but even if it doesn’t, it is the responsibility of
> the regional members to ensure that the region is involved. In a
> multistakeholder environment, every participant cannot get exactly what
> they want, but every participant should have an opportunity to be heard. If
> a work product is about a particular region (as it is for the CROPP
> strategies), that region clearly has a very important role to play. In the
> case of LACRALO, we go to great efforts to ensure that the SC has Spanish
> interpretation to ensure that your members can participate equitably.
> >>
> >> To the best of my knowledge, there has been no major complaint from
> within the SC that people are not being listened to.
> >>
> >> The Independence of RALOs, like most things in life, is not absolute.
> In many cases, an ALAC SC or WG carries out work on behalf of ALAC and
> At-Large. They do this with the participation of people from all regions.
> Generally these decisions or documents do not impact what a RALO can do,
> but occasionally the ALAC gives a SC explicit responsibility to take action
> on behalf of ALAC and At-Large even if the results do not go back to the
> ALAC for ratification.
> >>
> >> In the specific case of the CROPP strategy document, I am not an
> expert, but I do not see a wide difference between the resultant document
> and what I have heard is of specific interest to LACRALO. The exact words
> may be different, but the intent seems the same. But regardless of how I
> read it, IF the region has a problem, it should be dealt with within the SC
> and by those appointed by LACRALO to work on the SC. If there is a
> situation where the SC members and the Chair and Co-Chairs cannot resolve
> an issue, I expect it to be presented to me or the ALAC Leadership Team,
> ensuring that the ALT Member from the region is aware of the issue.
> >>
> >> You mention that the internal LACRALO document had more concrete
> details. That is quite reasonable. As I understand the situation, the plans
> to be submitted to GSE did not require that level of detail and
> implementation. As long as the two were complementary and did not conflict,
> there is no problem.
> >>
> >> CROPP Program
> >>
> >> Last year, the CROPP program within At-Large was carried out by the
> CROPP Review Team (RT) from the previous year. The current RT is composed
> of two people from each region, one appointed by the Members of the Finance
> and Budget Subcommittee, and one by the Members of the Outreach and
> Engagement SC.
> >>
> >> A requests for use of CROPP funds goes from the originator to the RALO
> and then to the CROPP RT. Exactly how the RALO approves a project is up to
> the RALO. I suspect that most RALOs do this with their leadership team and
> perhaps a few others. Once the CROPP RT is notified by RALO leadership that
> a request is approved by the RALO, the CROPP RT must review it. They have
> the duty to ensure that the request meets the regional strategy and is in
> all ways a good request. If they are not satisfied, they can either reject
> the request or refer it back to the originator or RALO for modification. My
> understanding is that the LACRALO trip to Haiti and the Dominican Republic
> was satisfactory and I do not see the need to review the process it
> followed at this time.
> >>
> >> For the record, Dev Anand Teelucksingh did not travel to Buenos Aires
> on CROPP funds. His trip was funded by GSE under a completely different
> program.
> >>
> >> I hope that this addresses all of your issues.
> >>
> >> Regards, Alan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> TRANSLATION BY SILVIA VIVANCO:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Dear Alan, I am obliged as President of LACRALO to get in touch about
> this issue:
> >>>
> >>> The insistence of the Chairman of a Subcommittee of the ALAC
> (Outreach and Engagement SC ) in making decisions  which should, by
> regulation be made inside of LACRALO and with full participation of its
> members ALSs, compels me to do so.
> >>> Repeated clarifications do not justify such a decision.
> >>>
> >>> Comments from Pisanty and myself have been cited as if they were an
> approval of the Plan generated in the O/E Subcommittee, which acted without
> previously consulting the document which we already had prepared. Both
> mine, and the opinion of Alejandro Pisanty were critical of such document.
> >>> Subsequently, and despite the bad procedure, we, in display of good
> will and seeking peace in our Region, accepted this plan, despite the fact
> that ours had more concrete details about the countries, according to the
> list that I promptly submitted, and long before this Strategic Plan.
> >>>
> >>> The main detail was that the plan  should take into account as a
> priority,  those countries that had the lowest rate of Internet
> penetration, as a way to start that required greater support and major
> actions to coordinate with ICANN GSE.
> >>> I asked for clarifications to the Chairman of the Subcommittee on our
> last monthly meeting. At that meeting, he not only insisted on his mistake,
> but he confirmed that  the persons forming such Subcommittee would be in
> charge of the implementation of such plan and they were also analyzing the
> alternatives of the CROPP Program for its implementation by of such
> Subcommittee.
> >>>
> >>> In summary: first an ALS presents a project,  which shall be approved
> by consensus within LACRALO and then leadership of LACRALO sends it for
> approval through the CROPP program and then to GSE.
> >>>
> >>> They are assuming a power which does not correspond to them, even
> though I  requested by email and at the last monthly meeting that they did
> not.
> >>>
> >>> He also insisted that the Sub-Committee was formed by members of
> LACRALO, erroneously understanding this validated  such actions.
> >>>
> >>> The MOU that LACRALO has signed with ICANN, gives us the independence
> in decisions, which should be taken within the scope of our Region and
> within our normative discussions area, not within a Sub-Committee of ALAC,
> despite the fact that this is composed of members of LACRALO.
> >>>
> >>> In the links listed in the email below, you can see that a similar
> program for AFRALO was approved by the members of AFRALO on September 21,
> 2015; of APRALO by their leaders on July 3, 2015;  of NARALO by Glenn
> McKnight 4l 4 August 2015;  of EURALO by Dev Anand Teelucksingh the 29th
> September 2015;  and the LACRALO also by Dev Anand Teelucksingh on
> September 15, 2015. At least for LACRALO, he has taken a role which does
> not correspond to him.
> >>>
> >>> In the emails cited by  the Chair of the Subcommittee, there are
> inconsistencies such as the exchange of emails for the proposal by Carlton
> Samuels to go to Surinam; this was only presented by Dev Anand Teelucksingh
> in the meeting which we had on the Haiti and Dominican Republic. There was
> such urgency that we did not have time to submit it to LACRALO and
> exceptionally we decided with Humberto at that  meeting so as to avoid
> losing  our CROPP trip allocation.
> >>>
> >>> In the meeting previous to the last meeting of ICANN in Buenos Aires,
> it is said that we agreed and published the names of who would travel to
> such meeting.
> >>>
> >>> CROPP?s  Chair,  Dev Anand Teelucksingh, published such names, but
> omitted in the list  his own name, because he travelled to Argentina with a
> travel allocation of such program.
> >>>
> >>> To safeguard our decisions, our autonomy and hoping to avoid future
> inconvenient, I request that  you proceed to issue the appropriate
>  Directive to such Subcommittee.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 11/01/2016 07:16 AM, Alberto Soto wrote:
> >>> Estimado Alan, me veo obligado como Presidente de LACRALO a ponerme en
> >>> contacto por este tema.
> >>>
> >>> La insistencia del Presidente de un Subcomité de ALAC (Alcance y
> compromiso
> >>> SC) en tomar decisiones que por norma deben tomarse en el interior de
> >>> LACRALO y con participación de sus ALSs miembros, me obliga a ello.
> >>> Las repetidas aclaraciones no justifican esa decisión.
> >>>
> >>> Se ha citado comentarios de Alejando Pisanty y míos como si hubieran
> sido de
> >>> aprobación del Plan generado en ese subcomité sin haber consultado
> >>> previamente el documento con el que ya contábamos. Tanto la opinión
> de
> >>> Alejandro como la mía, eran críticas de tal documento. A posteriori
> y pese a
> >>> ese mal procedimiento, como muestra de buena voluntad y buscando la
> paz en
> >>> nuestra Región, dimos como aceptado dicho Plan, pese a que el nuestro
> tenía
> >>> detalles más concretos sobre los países, según la lista que yo
> oportunamente
> >>> presentara, y mucho antes de este Plan Estratégico. El detalle
> principal era
> >>> que se debía tener en cuenta como prioridad, a aquellos países que
> tuvieran
> >>> el menor índice de penetración de Internet, como una forma de
> comenzar por
> >>> los que requerían mayor apoyo y mayores acciones a coordinar con GSE
> de
> >>> ICANN.
> >>>
> >>> Pedí aclaraciones al Presidente del Subcomité en nuestra última
> reunión
> >>> mensual; allí no solo insistió en su error, sino que confirmó que
> las
> >>> personas integrante de dicho Subcomité se harían cargo de la
> implementación
> >>> de dicho plan, y además estaban analizado las alternativas del
> programa
> >>> CROPP para su implementación por parte de dicho Subcomité. Como
> síntesis de
> >>> este tema en particular: primero una ALS presenta un proyecto, se
> aprueba
> >>> por consenso en LACRALO y luego el liderazgo de LACRALO lo envía para
> su
> >>> aprobación al programa CROPP y de allí a GSE. Se están arrogando una
> >>> atribución que no corresponde, pese a que se pidió por mail y en la
> última
> >>> reunión mensual  que no lo hicieran.
> >>>
> >>> También insistió en que dicho subcomité estaba conformado por
> miembros de
> >>> LACRALO, entendiendo erróneamente que ello convalidaba tales acciones.
> >>> El MOU que LACRALO tiene firmado con ICANN, nos da la independencia en
> las
> >>> decisiones, las que deben tomarse dentro del ámbito de nuestra
> Región y en
> >>> nuestro ámbito normativo de discusiones, y no dentro de un Subcomité
> de
> >>> ALAC, pese a que esté integrado por miembros de LACRALO.
> >>>
> >>> En los links que están indicados en el mail de abajo, se puede ver
> que el
> >>> programa similar de AFRALO fue aprobado por los miembros de AFRALO el
> 21 de
> >>> septiembre de 2015; el de APRALO por sus líderes el 3 de julio de
> 2015;  el
> >>> de NARALO por Glenn McKnight 4l 4 de agosto de 2015;  el de EURALO
> por  Dev
> >>> Anand Teelucksingh el 29de septiembre de 2015;  y el de LACRALO
> también por
> >>> Dev Anand Teelucksingh el 15 de septiembre de 2015. Al menos por
> LACRALO, se
> >>> ha tomado una atribución que no le corresponde.
> >>>
> >>> En los mail citados por el Presidente del subcomité, hay
> inconsistencias
> >>> tales como el intercambio de correos para la propuesta de Carlton
> Samuels
> >>> para ir a Surinam; esto solo fue presentado por   Dev Anand
> Teelucksingh en
> >>> una reunión que mantuvimos por el tema de Haití y República
> Dominica. Era
> >>> con tal urgencia que no tuvimos tiempo de presentarlo ante LACRALO y
> >>> excepcionalmente lo definimos con Humberto en esa reunión para no
> perder un
> >>> viaje de CROPP. En la reunión previa al último meeting de ICANN en
> Buenos
> >>> Aires, se cita que concordamos y fueron publicados los nombres de
> quienes
> >>> viajarían a dicho meeting. El Presidente del CROPP,  Dev Anand
> Teelucksingh
> >>> publicó dichos nombres, pero omitió en la lista  el suyo propio,
> dado que
> >>> viajó con una vacante de dicho programa.
> >>>
> >>> Por el resguardo de nuestras decisiones, nuestra autonomía, y
> esperando
> >>> evitar futuros inconvenientes, solicito tengas a bien dar la directiva
> >>> correspondiente a ese Subcomité.
> >>>
> >>> Saludos cordiales
> >>>
> >>> Alberto Soto
>
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