[lac-discuss-en] DOODLE / LACRALO Outreach and Engagement SC

Wed Feb 24 17:09:55 UTC 2016

>Dear All,
>
>Further to Dev Anand¹s email, please complete the attached Doodle poll to
>see if a call can be schedule prior to ICANN 55 Marrakech.
>
>http://doodle.com/poll/hqs7r7f9nqfzi893
>
>
>Please note that we have only offered slots when Spanish interpretation is
>available. Friday 26th and all of next week, interpretation is
>unavailable.
>
>Thank you.
>Kind regards,
>Gisella
>
>On 22/02/2016 22:20, "lac-discuss-en-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org on
>behalf of Dev Anand Teelucksingh"
><lac-discuss-en-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of
>devtee at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Alberto, you continue to misrepresent the situation, which is
>>unfortunate. I have already posted information
>>(http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2016-January/014
>>2
>>05.html)
>>and again have the emails from you and Humberto on these matters and
>>thus the evidence to contradict your statements.
>>
>>Unfortunately, the At-Large doesn't have much time to have calls with
>>interpretation but I'll ask At-Large Staff if there are any
>>opportunities for a conference call with interpretation on Thursday 25
>>February or Friday 26 February
>>and if so, ask for a Doodle to be sent. This call would be with the
>>LACRALO members of the Outreach and Engagement SC, yourself and
>>LACRALO representatives and anyone else in LACRALO interested on
>>identifying outreach events in LAC region, what would be possible
>>CROPP proposals to send and the ongoing efforts to identify possible
>>stakeholders in the LAC region and other next steps.
>>
>>Dev Anand
>>
>>
>>On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 9:28 PM,  <asoto at ibero-americano.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
>>>
>>>  Subject: Re: Outreach and Engagement SC
>>>  from: asoto at ibero-americano.org
>>>
>>>  Dear Alan, I know in detail all these rules, so realicmi
>>>  order.
>>>
>>>
>>>  1. Participation Subcomitde Proyecciny
>>>
>>>
>>>      LACRALO was not consulted on the Strategic Plan for the Region. It
>>>was
>>>  Chair approved by the SC, unlike other Ralos that could
>>>  prepare and approve its own Strategic Plan, habindolo treaty
>>>  internally. The Chair of the SC has no power to generally plan
>>>  strategic without consultation, and allow the entire region to achieve
>>>a consensus
>>>  thereon.
>>>  Nevertheless, to avoid interference or harm our region, we
>>>  forward with l. Again, the main point is that it has powers
>>>  for what that realized. But the main issue is not the difference
>>>  contents of the plan, but the procedure carried out. Dejde side to
>>>  LACRALO leadership and all its members, which considered
>>>  gravity.
>>>
>>>
>>>  2. CROPP Program
>>>
>>>
>>>  The Chair of Subcomitde Proyecciny participation and is also Chair
>>>  the CROPP program after approving a strategic plan for our region
>>>  without authority they now decided to implement the plan
>>>  Strategic, and define who encargary who viajaren his
>>>  implementacin. But this time also without authority, has
>>>  Sern defined that members of Subcomitde Proyecciny
>>>  Those who harn participation. This without any involvement or
>>>consultation
>>>  with LACRALO. I must mention that there are SC members who long ago
>>>  have not engaged in any activity in LACRALO (meetings
>>>  monthly, ratings, webinars).
>>>  This procedure is not established by the program to determine CROPP
>>>  the trips. S, it required to be submitted the draft approved by
>>>consensus
>>>  and raised by regional leaders for approval by the program
>>>  CROPP. And this is what is not estcumpliendo. Spaces will be used
>>>  LACRALO not approved for this procedure, and there we found out. And
>>>that
>>>  I also think critically.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Regarding the trip Haity Dominican Republic, he was only cited for
>>>  a difference of procedure that made the Chair of CROPP with another
>>>  application was filed out of time and we solicital
>>>  President and Secretary, and to keep that square, it approved,
>>>assuming
>>>  the responsibility not to consult our Regin ..
>>>
>>>
>>>  For the record: about the trip he took the Lord Dev Anand
>>>  Teelucksingh, in the same meeting that would travel Buenos definiquien
>>>  Aires, the same authorization solicitla the President and Secretary
>>>  LACRALO to travel to Buenos Aires, which although it was not the
>>>  CROPP program hinted that from that moment it was. And the
>>>  We authorize. This is contained in the records of that meeting.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Best regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Alberto Soto
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  -----Original message-----
>>>  From: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>>  [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On behalf of
>>>  alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
>>>  Posted on: wednesday, February 17, 2016 21:51
>>>  To: lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>>  Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Outreach and Engagement SC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  [[Translated text (in -&gt; en) -]]
>>>
>>>
>>>  Subject: Re: Outreach and Engagement SC
>>>  From: alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
>>>
>>>
>>>  Dear Alberto,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  I will comment on the issues of commitment and divulgaciny
>>>  CROPP issues separately. Although the two groups estn
>>>  chaired by the same person, operating under different rules and
>>>  processes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Participation Proyecciny Subcomitde
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  The Subcommittee (SC) is composed of two members appointed by each
>>>RALO ms
>>>  any others who chose to participate.Operationally, the
>>>  SC does not distinguish between the two types of participants.
>>>Leadership SC
>>>  It is selected by the SC in s. View (&lt;
>>>  
>>>https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ALAC+Subcommittee+on+Outreac
>>>h
>>>+an
>>>  d + Engagement&gt;
>>>https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ALAC+Subcommittee+o
>>>  n + + and + Engagement Outreach)
>>>  for more details.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  There are 14 members of LACRALO, more than any other region.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Any work product of the SC should be a product of all the SC,
>>>  or at least those who choose to be active and should definitely
>>>participar.Que
>>>  officers include members selected by the region. The SC can
>>>  RALOS decide to ask for input, but even if it does not work,
>>>  responsibility of regional members to ensure that the region
>>>  is involved. In an environment of multiple stakeholders, each
>>>  participant can not get exactly what you want, but each
>>>  participant must have an opportunity to be heard. If a product of
>>>  is working on a particular region (as it is for the CROPP
>>>  strategies), which clearly has a very important role to region
>>>  to play.For LACRALO, we go to great efforts to ensure that
>>>  SC Spanish interpretation to ensure that its members can
>>>  participate equally.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  To the best of my knowledge, there has been no major complaint within
>>>the
>>>  SC people estn not being heard.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Independence RALOS, like most things in
>>>  life is not absolute. In many cases, a ALAC SC
>>>  or GT carried out the work on behalf of ALAC and
>>>  In general. They do it with the participation of
>>>  people of all General regiones.En these
>>>  decisions or documents not affect what a RALO
>>>  you can do, but sometimes gives the ALAC SC
>>>  explicit responsibility to take action on behalf
>>>  ALAC and At-Large even if the results do not
>>>  return to the ALAC for ratification.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  In the case of CROPP especfico strategy
>>>  document, I'm not an expert, but I see a
>>>  big difference between the resulting document
>>>  and what I've heard is of interest to especfico
>>>  LACRALO. The exact wording may be different, but
>>>  the intention seems to be the same. But regardless of how
>>>  I read, if the region has a problem, which should
>>>  be treated within the SC, and for those
>>>  LACRALO appointed to work on the SC. Shay
>>>  It is a situation in which members and ComitDirectivo
>>>  President
>>>  and co-chairs can not solve a problem, I hope
>>>  that leadership ALAC presentaramo
>>>  Team, ensuring that the ALT members of the region is aware of
>>>  problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  You mention that the internal document LACRALO
>>>  tena more concrete details.That is
>>>  razonable.Como understand the situation, the
>>>  GSE plans someterna not exigique
>>>  level of detail and application. While
>>>  the two were complementary and did not conflict, no ningn
>>>  problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  CROPP program
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Last year, the CROPP program within At-Large was
>>>  conducted by the team of revision CROPP (RT) from
>>>  the previous year. The stream consists of RT
>>>  two people from each region, one appointed by the
>>>  Members of Subcomitde Finance and Budget,
>>>  and a member of the Scope and Participation SC.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  A requests for use of funds ranging from CROPP
>>>  initiator for RALO and then the CROPP RT.
>>>  Exactly how sparse approved a project to
>>>  RALO. I suspect that most RALOS do this with
>>>  its leadership team and perhaps some others.
>>>  Once the CROPP RT is notified by the RALO leadership
>>>  the application is approved by the thinning, the CROPP
>>>  RT should review. They have a duty to ensure
>>>  that the application complies with the regional strategy and
>>>  It is in every way a good peticin.Si not estn
>>>  satisfied, they can reject the request or
>>>  send it back to the originator or to RALO
>>>  modification. My understanding is that the
>>>  LACRALO Haity trip to the Dominican Republic
>>>  It was satisfactory and I see no need for
>>>  NEXT review the process this time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  For the record, Dev Anand did not Teelucksingh
>>>  travel to Buenos Aires on CROPP funds. Your trip
>>>  It was funded by GSE under a completely different program.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  I hope this is addressed to all their problems.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Regards, Alan
>>>  > TRADUCCIÓN POR SILVIA VIVANCO:
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > Estimado Alan, estoy obligado como Presidente de LACRALO
>>>  > Estar en contacto sobre este tema:
>>>  >
>>>  > La insistencia del presidente de un Subcomité
>>>  > Del ALAC (Alcance y Participación SC) en
>>>  > Toma de decisiones, que deben, por reglamento será
>>>  > Hecho dentro de LACRALO y con pleno
>>>  > Participación de sus miembros ALSs, me obliga a hacerlo.
>>>  >
>>>  > Comentarios de Pisanty y yo se han citado
>>>  > Como si fueran una aprobación del Plan
>>>  > Generado en la O / E Subcomité, que actuó
>>>  > Sin consultar previamente el documento que
>>>  > Ya habíamos preparado. Tanto la mía, y la
>>>  > Opinión de Alejandro Pisanty eran críticos de dicho documento.
>>>  > Posteriormente, ya pesar de la mala procedimiento, que,
>>>  > En la pantalla de la buena voluntad y la búsqueda de la paz en
>>>nuestra
>>>  > Región, aceptado este plan, a pesar del hecho
>>>  > Que la nuestra tenía detalles más concretos sobre la
>>>  > países, de acuerdo con la lista que rápidamente
>>>  > Presentada, y mucho antes de este Plan Estratégico.
>>>  >
>>>  > El detalle principal era que el plan debe tener
>>>  > en cuenta de forma prioritaria, los países
>>>  > Que tuvo la tasa más baja de internet
>>>  > Penetración, como una manera para iniciar la requerida
>>>  > Mayor apoyo y las principales acciones de coordinación con ICANN
>>>GSE.
>>>  > Pedí aclaraciones del Presidente de
>>>  > El Subcomité de nuestra última reunión mensual.A
>>>  > Esa reunión, no sólo insistió en su
>>>  > Error, pero confirmó que las personas
>>>  > Formación de tales Subcomité estaría a cargo de
>>>  > La ejecución de dicho proyecto y que eran
>>>  > También el análisis de las alternativas de la CROPP
>>>  > Programa para su aplicación por parte de dicho Subcomité.
>>>  >
>>>  > En resumen: en primer lugar una ALS presenta una
>>>  > Proyecto, que deberá ser aprobado por consenso
>>>  > Dentro de LACRALO y luego dirección del LACRALO
>>>  > Lo envía para su aprobación a través del programa CROPP y luego a
>>>GSE.
>>>  >
>>>  > Ellos están asumiendo un poder que no lo hace
>>>  > Corresponderles, a pesar de que habíamos pedido por
>>>  > Correo electrónico y en la última reunión mensual que no lo
>>>hicieron.
>>>  >
>>>  > También insistió en que el Subcomité
>>>  > Formado por miembros de LACRALO, erróneamente
>>>  > La comprensión de este tipo de acciones validadas.
>>>  >
>>>  > El MOU que LACRALO ha firmado con la ICANN,
>>>  > Nos da la independencia en las decisiones, lo cual
>>>  > Debe tomarse dentro del ámbito de nuestra Región
>>>  > Y dentro de nuestra área de discusión normativa, no se
>>>  > Dentro de un Subcomité de ALAC, a pesar del hecho
>>>  > Que este se compone de miembros de LACRALO.
>>>  >
>>>  > En los enlaces que aparecen en el correo electrónico a continuación,
>>>se
>>>  > Ver que un programa similar para AFRALO era
>>>  > Aprobado por los miembros de AFRALO de Septiembre
>>>  > 21, 2015; de APRALO por sus líderes el 3 de julio,
>>>  > 2015; de NARALO por Glenn McKnight 4l 4 de agosto de
>>>  > 2015; de EURALO por Dev Anand Teelucksingh la
>>>  > 29 de de septiembre de 2015; y la LACRALO también por
>>>  > Dev Anand Teelucksingh el 15 de septiembre de 2015. En
>>>  > Menos para LACRALO, que ha tomado un papel que no le corresponde.
>>>  >
>>>  > En los correos electrónicos citados por el Presidente de la
>>>  > Subcomité, existen inconsistencias tales como
>>>  > El intercambio de correos electrónicos a la propuesta de
>>>  > Carlton Samuels para ir a Surinam; esto sólo fue
>>>  > Presentada por Dev Anand Teelucksingh en el
>>>  > Encuentro que tuvimos en el Haití y Dominicana
>>>  > República.Había tal urgencia que no lo hicimos
>>>  > Tener tiempo para enviarlo a LACRALO y
>>>  > Excepcionalmente decidimos con Humberto en
>>>  > Esa reunión a fin de evitar la pérdida de nuestra asignación de
>>>viaje
>>>  >
>>>  > En la reunión previa a la última reunión de
>>>  > ICANN en Buenos Aires, se dice que estamos de acuerdo
>>>  > Y publicado los nombres de los que viajaría a dicha reunión.
>>>  >
>>>  > CROPP? S Silla, Dev Anand Teelucksingh,
>>>  > Publicado tales nombres, pero omitidas en el
>>>  > Listar su propio nombre, porque viajó a
>>>  > Argentina con una asignación de viaje del programa de este tipo.
>>>  >
>>>  > Para salvaguardar nuestras decisiones, nuestra autonomía y
>>>  > La esperanza de evitar inconvenientes futuros, solicito
>>>  > Que se procede a emitir la Directiva correspondiente a dicho
>>>Subcomité.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  > Estimado Alan, me veo Obligado Como Presidente de LACRALO un Ponerme
>>>en
>>>  > Contacto por este tema.
>>>  >
>>>  > La insistencia del Presidente de la ONU Subcomitde ALAC (Alcance y
>>>   > SC) en Tomar Decisiones Que por norma Deben tomarse en el interior
>>>de
>>>  > LACRALO y con participacin de Sus Miembros ALS, me obli un Ello.
>>>  > Las repetidas aclaraciones ninguna decisin ESA justifican.
>>>  >
>>>  > Se ha Citado comentarios de Alejando Pisanty ymos Como Si hubieran
>>>Sido
>>>   > Aprobacin del Plan de Generado en ESE subcomitsin Haber consultado
>>>  > Previamente el documento con El que ya contbamos. Tanto la opinin de
>>>  > Alejandro Como la ma, Eran crticas de tal documento. A posteriori y
>>>una
>>>   > ESE mal Procedimiento, Como la Muestra de Buena Voluntad y buscando
>>>la
>>>   > Nuestra Regin, dimos Como Aceptado DICHO plan, PESE una cola el
>>>nuestro
>>>   > Detalles ms Concretos Sobre los paSES, segn La Lista Que Yo
>>>oportunamente
>>>  > Presentara, los antes y Mucho of this Plan de Estratgico. El detalle
>>>era
>>>
>>>
>>>  > Que se deba Tener en Cuenta de Como priority, un paSES Aquellos Que
>>>   > El menor ndice de penetracin de Internet, Como una forma de
>>>Comenzar por
>>>  > Los Que requeran alcalde Apoyo y mayores: acciones de una Coordinar
>>>con
>>>   > ICANN.
>>>  >
>>>  > Pedaclaraciones al Presidente del Subcomiten Nuestra ltima reunin
>>>  > Mensual; allno en solitario insistien error Do, Sino Que las
>>>confirmque
>>>  > Personas Integrante de DICHO Subcomitse haran cargo de la
>>>IMPLEMENTACIÓN
>>>  > Plan de DICHO, y adems Estaban analizado las Alternativas del
>>>Programa
>>>  > CROPP para su IMPLEMENTACIÓN por parte de Subcomit DICHO. Como
>>>sntesis de
>>>  > Tema this en particular: Primero Una ALS Presenta Proyecto de las
>>>
>>>
>>>  > Por consensus en LACRALO Y LUEGO EL Liderazgo de LACRALO lo ENVA
>>>párrafo
>>>   > Aprobacin al Programa CROPP y de alla GSE. Se estn arrogando Una
>>>  > Atribucin Que No corresponde, PESE un Que se pidipor electrónico y
>>>en la
>>>   > Reunin mensual Que No lo hicieran.
>>>  >
>>>  > Tambin insistien Que DICHO subcomitestaba Conformado por Miembros de
>>>  > LACRALO, Entendiendo errneamente Que Ello convalidaba cuentos:
>>>acciones.
>>>  > El MOU Que Tiene LACRALO Firmado con la ICANN, nos da la
>>>Independencia en
>>>   > Decisiones, Las Que Deben tomarse DENTRO DEL Ã mbito de Nuestra
>>>Reginy
>>>   > Nuestro Ã mbito normativo de discusiones, y sin within ONU
>>>Subcomitde
>>>  > ALAC, PESE una cola estintegrado por Miembros de LACRALO.
>>>  >
>>>  > En los une Que estn indicados en el correo electrónico de abajo, Se
>>>Puede
>>>   > Programa similares de AFRALO FUE Aprobado por los Miembros de
>>>AFRALO el
>>>   > Septiembre de 2015; El de APRALO Por Sus lderes el 3 de julio de
>>>2015; EL
>>>  > De NARALO por Glenn McKnight 4l 4 de agosto de 2015; El de EURALO
>>>por Dev
>>>  > Anand Teelucksingh el 29de septiembre de 2015; y el de LACRALO
>>>tambin por
>>>  > Dev Anand Teelucksingh el 15 de septiembre de 2015. Al menos por
>>>LACRALO,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  > Ha Tomado Una atribucin Que No le corresponde.
>>>  >
>>>  > En los citados electrónico Por El Presidente Del subcomit,
>>>   > Cuentos Como el Intercambio de correos para la Propuesta de Carlton
>>>   > To go una Suriname; ESTO FUE solitario Presentado por Dev Anand
>>>   > Una reunin Que mantuvimos por el tema de Haity Repblica
>>>Dominica.Era
>>>  > Con tal urgencia Que No tuvimos Tiempo de presentarlo ante LACRALO y
>>>  > Excepcionalmente lo definimos con Humberto en ESA reunin para no
>>>perder
>>>   > Viaje de CROPP. En la reunin previa al ltimo reunión de la ICANN en
>>>   > Aires, se cita Que concordamos y were Publicados los Nombres de
>>>Quienes
>>>  > Viajaran una reunión DICHO. El Presidente del CROPP, Dev Anand
>>>   > Nombres publicdichos, Pero omitien La Lista el suyo propio, dado
>>>Que
>>>  > Viajcon Una vacante de DICHO Programa.
>>>  >
>>>  > Por el resguardo de Nuestras Decisiones, Nuestra Autónoma, y
>>>   > Evitar Futuros inconvenientes, solicito tengas a bien dar la
>>>directiva
>>>  > Correspondiente una ESE Subcomit.
>>>  >
>>>  > Saludos cordiales
>>>  >
>>>  > Alberto Soto
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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