[lac-discuss-en] VOTE NOTICE: VOTE FOR REPRESENTATIVE 2015 LACRALO ALAC / 2015 REPRESENTATIVE TO VOTE FOR LACRALO ALAC
asoto at ibero-americano.org
asoto at ibero-americano.org
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Subject: Re: VOTE NOTICE: VOTE FOR REPRESENTATIVE 2015 LACRALO ALAC / 2015 REPRESENTATIVE TO VOTE FOR LACRALO ALAC
From: asoto at ibero-americano.org
Thank you very much Chris. Humberto we are working right now on
it. Habrun summary of the proceedings.
Best regards
Alberto Soto
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Posted on: Thursday, 10 September 2015 24:26
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Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] NOTICE FEEDBACK: 2015 VOTE FOR REPRESENTATIVE
LACRALO ALAC / 2015 REPRESENTATIVE TO VOTE FOR LACRALO ALAC
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Subject: Re: VOTE NOTICE: VOTE FOR REPRESENTATIVE 2015 LACRALO ALAC / 2015
REPRESENTATIVE TO VOTE FOR LACRALO ALAC
From: chris.lahatte at icann.org
I continued to read messages in this list. It is always useful to have passion
for their ideas, but sometimes it's a good idea to be careful when you
ARE disagree with someone and discuss cuestiny not the person.
Partly list members have recognized standards for ICANN
civil discourse. I hope this continues
I have also seen the movement that has sent through Carlton
Samuels seeking a vote of no confidence in the leadership of LACRALO. Also
I have seen the suggestion that this should stop voting now
execution, to be completed. It is not my place to give a jurdica opinin
on the constitutionality and whether this should bring votacina high.
But I notice that a vote of no confidence in the leadership, and
Voting procedures are ongoing issues realize separadas.Me
the ballot is considered as a set for some, but a vote of
no confidence in the leaders is more properly the subject of a process
separately, rather than a measure that will stop the ballot. There will be
just to stop the current ballot, when estcasi over, and when
many have taken the trouble to discuss candidates comment
and the placement of the vote.
I recognize that many ALS's in LACRALO (including, but not exclusively
Caribbean ALS) estn distressed Hinds Lance estn Caribbean
distressed that the candidate had no success in the last round, and is
Tomla regrettable that decision to reject the nomination in the round
current, and the Caribbean without leaving the voice they estn looking.I understand
Senta completely by quse way that after the rejection in the
previous round, and I am disappointed that there had many criticisms
l unfair. I am sure that this criticism was unfair at least in
part by qudeclinla nomination. But there are still two candidates, and I
would like to encourage everyone to consider their funds, and place Rating
before closing.
If members want to continue with the mocin of no confidence, then
That tendrque be considered at a duly convened meeting. The
Members have the absolute right to bring such motions, and
habrun course debate.
In view of more time, I am concerned that some members of LACRALO
RALO feel excluded. I hope that all participants address
has strong opinions and think for this perception of quexiste
exclusiny the marginalization.Each Regional At-Large Organization tendrmuy
various members, who have very different views on many
issues. Have different points of view is really very important, because
then it ensures that subjects are fully discussed. We all have
different and sometimes passionate opinions, but my goal as the defender
the village is working with everyone to reconcile different points of
sight where possible, and to ensure also that the groups receive
fair treatment to preserve their right to express different points of
sight. I am ready at any time to listen to YOU \u200b\u200bSPECIFIC issues, and
You can meet even those of you who Serenity Dubln for
try Awareness
some different views liar.
Chris LaHatte
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From: lac-discuss-en-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:
lac-discuss-en-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On behalf of Carlton
Samuels
Posted on: Thursday, September 10, 2015 7:12 a.m.
To: Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob at gmail.com>
Cc: lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] NOTICE FEEDBACK: 2015 VOTE FOR REPRESENTATIVE
LACRALO ALAC / 2015 REPRESENTATIVE TO VOTE FOR LACRALO ALAC
Humberto:
I'm not sure what you gave TRANSLATION, but the version in
English is authoritarian.
I started the whole thread plaininly pointing out the words "point
order "so that he could not be wrong.
Esperhasta that call the election - and the General Assembly ARE
session - a question that needed to be asked and debate
ensue.
The cuestin is the vote.
The period of seven days is the time to discuss the cuestin.
What you are quoted is perfectly clear that the movement is placed
correctly and the President has an obligation to make the move.
That you pidiuna translation of the movement is evidence that
mocin is accepted.
Now you come to this rule of Pinochet style of the Order! Qute happens?
Meanwhile, the President, the President of LACRALO, dumb, maybe
with malice.
Ritz-Carlton Samuels.
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Carlton A Samuels
Mobile: 876-818-1799
Strategy, Planning on, Government, evaluation and delivery
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Thu, September 10, 2015 at 7:20 AM Humberto Carrasco
<hcarrascob at gmail.com <mailto:hcarrascob at gmail.com> > I wrote:
Sr.Samuels,
To clarify our position even more, we want to explain the nature of
which is a matter of order.
The rules of procedure of the UNGA, in particular Article 79
Annex IV (a) of the Rules of the General Assembly, gives a concept of what
It is a matter of order:
79. ComitEspecial recommends to the General Assembly the adoption
following a description of the concept as a matter of order
[Para. 229]:
"(A) A question of order is basically a targeted intervention to
President requesting him to make use of an inherent power or charge
that specifically confers regulation. It can, for example,
refer to the way in which is performed the debate, the maintenance
the order, the observance of the rules of procedure or in the way
which presiding officers exercise the powers conferred on them by
rules. Under a matter of order, a representative podrpedir to
presiding officer to apply a certain rule of procedure or can
questioning the way in which the officer applies regla.Por Therefore,
within the scope of application of the rules of procedure,
estn representatives authorized to direct the attention of official
presiding violacines or misapplications of the rules by
other representatives or by the President himself.A question of order has
precedence over any
other matter, including procedural motions (Rules 73 [114]
[Rule 71 [113] of this Regulation] and 79 [120] [Rule 77 [119]
of this regulation]).
"(B) Points of order raised under rule 73 [114] n
entraan matters requiring a decision of the presiding officer, subject to
apelacin possible. They are therefore distinct from the procedural motions
under rules 76 [117] [Rule 74 [116] of the present
regulation] and 79 [120] or that can be solved only by a vote and the
that more than one motion may be entertained at the same time, the article
79 [120] or the primacy of such sets.Also motions are
various requests for aclaracin informacino, or the
observations on materials (seats, arrangements system
interpretation, room temperature), documents, translations, etc.,
- If they may have to be dealt with by the president - not required
l.Sin resolutions but in practice the United Nations
established a representative of the intention to file a motion of
procedure or to inform search
aclaracin acino often rises to "a question of order" as
a means of obtaining the floor. This latter usage, which is based on reasons
practices should not be confused with the raising of points of order
under rule 73 [114].
If your application is reviewed, you may notice that the application is not
He directed to the President requesting him to make use of a power inherent
his office or specifically gives you the rules, "but
asks "That the General Assembly demonstrate their lack of confidence in the
Voting LACRALO leadership and this mocin.
In simple terms, what you say is a matter of order, not really
is. It is therefore not possible to provide such treatment.
Cheers
The one 09/10/2015 03:39, Carlton Samuels wrote:
Humberto:
With the greatest of patience, you're wrong. Again.
Please read the motion again Next, see Rule
Procedural closely. Rule 18 contains the authority and guidance for
the action.
The mocin was scheduled for a General Assembly. The pertinent question
votaciny the distribution of credentials to the members did so.
The vote is a matter of decision.
All the reasons for the move are concatenated; unlawful assembly, a
failure of the process, etc. The vote is the cuestin debated.
If you do not understand the reason for not invoke Rule 8, I can explicrtelo.
Redactlas original Rules of Procedure and stay to the authority
competent.
Ritz-Carlton Samuels
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Carlton A Samuels
Mobile: 876-818-1799 <tel:876-818-1799>
Strategy, Planning on, Government, evaluation and delivery
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On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 5:32 pm, Humberto
Carrasco <hcarrascob at gmail.com <mailto:hcarrascob at gmail.com> > I wrote:
Dear Jacqueline,
For this e-mail we respond to his petition.
Overall, it is estimated that you can not suspend the election by the
following reasons:
1. Voting process is iniciel Thursday, September 3, 2015, and
prolongarhasta Thursday, September 10, 2015 until 23:00 hours.
2. mocin the Lord Samuels was presented on Friday, September 4
2015.
In his email, the Sr.Samuels planteuna matter of order and
ofreciuna mocin of no confidence in the leadership of LACRALO.
Sealalgunos arguments to justify their acciny then termincon:
"Resolved:
That the General Assembly demonstrates its lack of confidence in leadership
Voting LACRALO and this mocin ".
Therefore, this paragraph shall not say anything about any suspension.
3. On 5 September, Mr. Samuels informally ask a translation
Spanish its official mocin to be sent to the Spanish list
LACRALO.
4. Subsequently, on September 7, 2015 Alberto Soto had informque
sought the legal advice of jurdico ICANN staff
mocin regarding this censorship.
5. Rule of Procedure in Articles 8.1 and 8.2 indicates the
following:
8.1 During a discussion, any delegate podrplantear a matter of
order; a question of the order as pronunciarinmediatamente
President.
8.2 podrapelar against the decision of the President. The apelacin be
votaciny immediately put to the decision of the President
will keep, unless it is overruled by a simple majority of those present and
ALS voters.
These rules say nothing about any suspension. Nor has
apelacin been no. In any case, an appeal shall not suspendila
Current ballot.
6. There are articles relating to the suspension of Regulation 9 provides:
Rule 9 - Procedural Motions
9.1 During a discussion, any delegate podrproponer the suspension or
Rising SESINO adjournment or closure.
9.2 Voting Such motions shall be submitted immediately. Subject to Rule
8.1, such motions They will have precedence in the following order over all dems
proposals or motions:
(A) Suspension of the session;
(B) To adjourn the session;
(C) To adjourn the debate on the subject in discussion;
(D) To close the debate on the question under debate.
7 - Finally, with regard to the arguments and accusations of Mr. Samuels,
Sern answered that once the official translation into Spanish is sent
to the Spanish LACRALO list.
Regards.
Alberto Soto
Humberto Carrasco
The one 09/09/2015 15:39, Jacqueline Morris wrote:
Hello Humberto
I'm confused - there was no movement in the table Carlton - the mocin
censorship. According to the Rule of Procedure, this motion has
to be debated and voted on before the ballot ALAC representative may
continue (which takes precedence). This has not been done, how can the asque
I vote in ALAC representative be ending tomorrow?
Or had one ballot on mociny me what forgiveness?
I worry especially given the number of procedural errors
They seem to have occurred recently. We do not want more problems with this
Voting.
Jacqueline A. Morris
The technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, necessary, invisible,
Free. (After Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )
09/09/2015 9:18 GMT-04: 00 <hcarrascob at gmail.com
<mailto:hcarrascob at gmail.com> >:
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Subject: Re: VOTE NOTICE: VOTE FOR REPRESENTATIVE 2015 LACRALO ALAC / 2015
REPRESENTATIVE TO VOTE FOR LACRALO ALAC
From: hcarrascob at gmail.com <mailto:hcarrascob at gmail.com>
Dear,
Do not forget that within Voting ends tomorrow Thursday 10
September 2015 at 23:00 UTC.
Health
The 04/09/2015 at 0:00, staff at atlarge.icann.org
<mailto:staff at atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
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> Asunto: VOTO ANUNCIO: 2015 VOTO PARA LACRALO ALAC REPRESENTANTE / 2015
> De: staff at atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff at atlarge.icann.org>
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> [ES]
> Queridos todos,
>
>
> LACRALOs Presidencia y SecretarÃa gustarÃa anunciar el inicio de la
> al Representante LACRALO ALAC para el perÃodo de dos años a partir de
> Al final de la reunión de DublÃn ICANN en octubre de 2015. Esta
> desde jueves 03 septiembre 2015 hasta Jueves 10 de septiembre 2015 a las
>
>
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> PREGUNTA: ¿A quién apoyas a convertirse en el ALAC Representante
> el perÃodo de dos años a partir de finales de la reunión de la ICANN
> 10 2015? Por favor, seleccionar un candidato de la lista de abajo (que
> por orden alfabético del nombre de la familia) o abstenerse:
> * Harold Arcos
> * Juan Manuel Rojas
> * Abstenerse
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> https://community.icann.org/x/moAQAw.
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> Hola a todos,
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>
> El Presidente y secretario de LACRALOs quisieran anunciar el inicio del
> por voto párrafo Elegir al Representante de LACRALO ante el ALAC
> EL PERIODO DE 2 aos Empezando al final de de la reunin de Dubln en
> del 2015. La votacin estarabierta desde el Lunes 03 de Setiembre 2015 al
> Viernes 10 de Setiembre 2015 a las 23:00 UTC.
>
>
> ***
> PREGUNTA: A quien Elige Usted Para Ser Representante del LACRALO ante el
> ALAC POR EL PERIODO DE 2 aos Comenzando en la reunión de la ICANN en
> del 2015? Por favor ELIJA UN Candidato de la Lista Abajo (en Orden
> alfabtico) o abstngase:
> * Harold Arcos
> * Juan Manuel Rojas
> * Abstencin
> ***
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