[lac-discuss-en] VOTE NOTICE: 2015 VOTE FOR REPRESENTATIVE LACRALO ALAC / 2015 VOTE FOR REPRESENTATIVE TO THE LACRALO ALAC

Carlton Samuels carlton.samuels at gmail.com
Thu Sep 10 02:39:34 UTC 2015


Humberto:
With the greatest of patience, you are wrong.   Again.

You are advised to read motion again then consult the Rule of Procedure
closely. Rule 18 contains the authority and guidance for action.

The motion was timed for a General Assembly. The question pertaining the
vote and distribution of credentials to members made it so.

The vote IS the question for decision.

All the reasons for the motion are concatenated; an illegal assembly, a
failure of process etc. The vote IS the question under discussion.

If you don't understand the reason for not invoking Rule 8, I can explain
it to you.

I drafted the original Rules of Procedure and remain the competent
authority.

-Carlton Samuels




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On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Jacqueline,
>
>
>
> By this email we respond to your request.
>
>
>
> Overall, we estimate that we cannot suspend the election for the following
> reasons:
>
>
>
> 1. The voting process began on Thursday, September 3, 2015, and runs until
> Thursday, September 10, 2015 until 23:00 hours.
>
>
>
> 2. The motion of Mr. Samuels was presented on Friday, September 4, 2015.
>
>
>
> In his email, Mr. Samuels raised a Point of Order and offered a motion of
> NO CONFIDENCE in the LACRALO leadership.
>
> He pointed out some arguments to justify his action and then he ended
> with:
>
>
>
> "Resolved:
>
>
>
> That the general assembly demonstrate its lack of confidence in the
> LACRALO leadership and vote on this motion."
>
>
>
> Thus, this paragraph says nothing about any suspension.
>
>
> 3. On 5 September, we informed to Mr Samuels that we requested an official
> translation to Spanish of his motion to be sent to the LACRALO's Spanish
> list.
>
> 4. Subsequently, the 7th of September 2015 Alberto Soto informed that he
> had asked for legal advice from ICANN’s legal staff regarding this motion
> of censure.
>
> 5. The RoP in Articles 8.1 and 8.2 states the following:
>
>
>
> 8.1 During a discussion, any delegate may raise a point of order; such a
> point of order shall be immediately decided upon by the presiding officer.
>
>
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> 8.2 An appeal may be made against the ruling of the presiding officer.
> Such an appeal shall be put to the vote immediately and the presiding
> officer's ruling shall stand, unless overruled by a simple majority of
> the ALS present and voting.
>
> These rules are silent regarding any suspension. Neither there has been
> any appeal. In any case, an appeal did not suspend the current vote.
>
> 6. There are articles relating to the suspension in Rule 9 that provides:
>
>
>
> Rule 9 - Procedural Motions
>
> 9.1    During a discussion, any delegate may move the suspension or
> adjournment of the meeting or the adjournment or closure of the debate.
>
> 9.2   Such a motion shall be put to the vote immediately. Subject to Rule
> 8.1, such motions shall have precedence in the following order over all
> other proposals or motions before the meeting:
>
> (a)  Suspension of the meeting;
>
> (b)  Adjournment of the meeting;
>
> (c)  Adjournment of the debate on the question under discussion;
>
> (d)  Closure of the debate on the question under discussion.
>
>
>
> 7. - Finally, with regard to the arguments and accusations of Mr. Samuels,
> they will be answered once the official translation into Spanish is sent to
> the LACRALO's Spanish list.
>
>
> Regards.
>
>
> Alberto Soto
> Humberto Carrasco
>
>
> El 09/09/2015 a las 15:39, Jacqueline Morris escribió:
>
> Hi Humberto
> I'm confused - there was a motion on the table from Carlton - the motion
> of No Confidence. According to the RoP, this motion needs to be debated and
> voted BEFORE the vote on ALAC rep can continue (it takes precedence). This
> hasn't been done, so how can the vote on ALAC rep be ending tomorrow?
> Or was there a vote on the motion and I missed it?
>
> I am particularly concerned given the number of procedural mistakes that
> seem to have occurred recently. We don't want more issues with this vote.
>
> Jacqueline A. Morris
> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and
> Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )
>
> 2015-09-09 9:18 GMT-04:00 <hcarrascob at gmail.com>:
>
>>
>> [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
>>
>>  Subject: Re: VOTE NOTICE: 2015 VOTE FOR REPRESENTATIVE LACRALO ALAC /
>> 2015 VOTE FOR REPRESENTATIVE TO THE LACRALO ALAC
>>  From: hcarrascob at gmail.com
>>
>>  Dear,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Do not forget that within Voting ends tomorrow Thursday 10
>>  September 2015 at 23:00 UTC.
>>
>>
>>  Cheers
>>
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>>
>>  The 04/09/2015 at 0:00, staff at atlarge.icann.org wrote:
>> > [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]]
>> >
>> >   Asunto: VOTO ANUNCIO: 2015 VOTO PARA LACRALO ALAC REPRESENTANTE /
>> 2015 VOTO PARA REPRESENTANTE DE LACRALO ANTE EL ALAC
>> >   De: staff at atlarge.icann.org
>> >
>> >   [ES]
>> >   Queridos todos,
>> >
>> >
>> >   LACRALOs Presidencia y Secretaría gustaría anunciar el inicio de la
>> votación
>> >   al Representante LACRALO ALAC para el período de dos años a partir de
>> las
>> >   Al final de la reunión de Dublín ICANN en octubre de 2015. Esta
>> encuesta estará abierta
>> >   desde jueves 03 septiembre 2015 hasta Jueves 10 de septiembre 2015 a
>> las 23:00 UTC.
>> >
>> >
>> >   ***
>> >   PREGUNTA: ¿A quién apoyas a convertirse en el ALAC Representante
>> LACRALO para
>> >   el período de dos años a partir de finales de la reunión de la ICANN
>> en Dublín
>> >   10 2015? Por favor, seleccionar un candidato de la lista de abajo
>> (que se enumeran
>> >   por orden alfabético del nombre de la familia) o abstenerse:
>> >   * Harold Arcos
>> >   * Juan Manuel Rojas
>> >   * Abstenerse
>> >   ***
>> >   Información adicional se puede encontrar en la página de elecciones
>> Wiki:
>> >   https://community.icann.org/x/moAQAw.
>> >
>> >
>> >   ==
>> >
>> >
>> >   [ES]
>> >   Hola a todos,
>> >
>> >
>> >   El Presidente y secretario de LACRALOs quisieran anunciar el inicio
>> del
>> >   por voto párrafo Elegir al Representante de LACRALO ante el ALAC
>> Representante
>> >   EL PERIODO DE 2 aos Empezando al final de de la reunin de Dubln en
>> Octubre
>> >   del 2015. La votacin estarabierta desde el Lunes 03 de Setiembre 2015
>> al
>> >   Viernes 10 de Setiembre 2015 a las 23:00 UTC.
>> >
>> >
>> >   ***
>> >   PREGUNTA: A quien Elige Usted Para Ser Representante del LACRALO ante
>> el
>> >   ALAC POR EL PERIODO DE 2 aos Comenzando en la reunión de la ICANN en
>> Octubre
>> >   del 2015? Por favor ELIJA UN Candidato de la Lista Abajo (en Orden
>> >   alfabtico) o abstngase:
>> >   * Harold Arcos
>> >   * Juan Manuel Rojas
>> >   * Abstencin
>> >   ***
>> >   Informacin Adicional Se Puede Encontrar En La pgina WIKI:
>> >   https://community.icann.org/x/moAQAw.
>> >
>> >
>> >   Saludos,
>> >
>> >
>> >   Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie
>> >   Peregrine y Terri Agnew
>> >   El personal de ICANN política en apoyo de ALAC
>> >   E-mail: staff at atlarge.icann.org
>> >   Facebook: www.facebook.com/icann &lt;
>> <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge>
>> https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge>
>> >   AtLarge &lt;  https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge>
>> >   Twitter: @ &lt;  https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>
>> >   &lt;  https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>
>> >
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>> [[--Original text (es)
>> http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/71b69bd4a9.html
>> --]]
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