[lac-discuss-en] Net Neutrality

asoto at ibero-americano.org asoto at ibero-americano.org
Mon Mar 2 02:04:14 UTC 2015 

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 Subject: Re: Net Neutrality 
 From: asoto at ibero-americano.org

 I agree with Alexander stick to the initial discussion. If we 
 to considerations of each state policies of our Regin, desvirtuamos 
 the discussion. Now, if we follow that line, there are 
 objection to doing so out of LACRALO. 
 Best Regards 


 Alberto Soto 


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 Alejandro Pisanty Baruch 
 Posted on: Sunday, March 1, 2015 3:38 pm 
 To: Sergio Bronstein; Carlos Vera Quintana 
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 Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Net Neutrality 


 Sergio,


 we reduce the discussion for the moment it seems to be the point 
 essential: the discussion about net neutrality and what we know of the 
 resolution of the US FCC prevent telecom operators 
 charge differentially services, ie if it selling a t 
 connection with a capacity of 100 Mbps to Netflix and over to your house, both 
 should cost the same. 


 That's very different from not charge. I think we can assume with high 
 CANTV probability charged to Netflix and others, is that correct? (You can 
 happen that Netflix does not have a direct contract with CANTV but that a 
 company CDN (Content Distribution Network) as Akamai or other matter who 
 has a contract with the Company to Venezuela, and Netflix and dems between your 
 origin and CDN servers installed in plants CANTV, but 
 either case, Netflix and the like paying They will be cut width 
 band to support the quality of their services). 


 There are other interesting points in your aportacin but I suggest you go 
 Step by step, the first objective ms.


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 [Lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Sergio 
 Bronstein [bronstein.sergio at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 1st of 
 2015 12:21 
 To: Carlos Vera Quintana 
 CC: LACRALO Espaol 
 Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Net Neutrality


 Buenos das 
 My first post was an order of reflection about debating the issue of 
 neutrality in all its complexity. 


 I confess that I have limitations to address not only by my 
 Limited knowledge of the geopolitics of the Internet, but for bias 
 work in a telecommunications operator (OT) of a State which is 
 proposes to move towards a caring and humane society, which in our conviction, 
 It is socialist. 


 Alejandro, referring to my previous post, sealaba coincidences between my 
 arguments and any OT and you're right. In this fight for 
 subsistence, are these businesses they invest increasing amounts 
 networks, while its revenues from voice services and data go to 
 below. This is aspara all kinds of OT, whether its fierce dueos 
 capitalist or socialist State vocation. 


 In Venezuela, access to quality communications is state policy, 
 for considering them as a fundamental human right.I dunno 
 how many countries of the world can show as strong gains in 
 subject: Each child who attends in public schools is given a 
 computer (educational Canaima project), the same esthaciendo with 
 university-level institutions (would be accused of 
 discrimination but, as deca Lula, "the rich do not need the State"); 
 in the last two years haninstalado Free WiFi in ms 2000 
 locations; were installed more than 1500 ms communications centers 
 in communities (called Infocentro); 54% of Venezuelans have now 
 internet and its footprint reaches 93% of the territory. 


 CANTV, the Venezuelan State OT, renationalised a little less than 
 8 years (not expropriated, since he is pagcada Verizon cent), is who 
 conducts these initiatives, without asking a single penny to the government and 
 aoaao paying increasing profits. 


 And aquse install preocupacin express my previous post.
 If companies investing in networks podrn only charge your 
 users and not to those who use and if they charge (Netflix, YouTube, 
 etc.), the proposal to hold the human right to communication is not 
 podrsostener. End users will stay exposed to the will of 
 these large corporations today do not pay for their business networking 
 others, who do not think users but customers and distribute content 
 "Piacere" which are not necessarily to develop citizens 
 conectarn aware that only those who can become 
 consumers. 


 From what I read, in ultimately the failure to USA estreferido 
 the OT podrn not charge content distributors and from a 
 apparent defense of freedom and neutrality, leaves users without 
 guarantees that podrn connect. 


 First defend the human right to be notified and then, if this 
 condition is met, advocate neutrality. 


 Regards, 
 Sergio Bronstein 










 On 03/01/15, Carlos Vera Quintana <cveraq at gmail.com> i wrote: 
> Hay ejemplos de Estados respetuosos y no respetuosos?
>
> Esto es muy subjetivo
>
> Carlos Vera Quintana
> 0988141143
> Sígueme @cveraq
>
>> El 28/2/2015, a las 7:54, Aida Noblia <aidanoblia at gmail.com> escribió:
>>
>> Muy interesante tema, especialmente  para la región. No se si este es 
>> o no el ámbito.  Me gustaría al menos estar al tanto de las 
>> reflexiones si cambian de ámbito.
>>
>> Saludos
>>
>>
>> El 27 de febrero de 2015, 0:25, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía < 
>> leonfelipe at sanchez.mx> escribió:
>>
>>> Hola Alberto,
>>>
>>> Sin duda a primera vista parece positivo. Yo quiero ser más 
>>> cauteloso y esperar a que salga el texto completo de la resolución 
>>> para poder analizarlo con detalle y ver que posibles implicaciones 
>>> puede tener en diversos aspectos.
>>>
>>> Por ejemplo me preocupa que al clasificarse como un bien público, el 
>>> Estado pueda reclamar y ejercer rectoría sobre el mismo. Si es un 
>>> Estado democrático y con principios, tal vez no sea grave. Si es un 
>>> régimen autoritario y que no respeta los derechos humanos, cambia la
 >>> 
 >>> One of the questions I formulated me is with this new 
 >>> Classification that sernms communications became prone to 
 >>> Espionage by agencies like the NSA? I do not know. Just ahla 
 >>> Caution not to celebrate too soon until we have the details 
 >>> The case. 
 >>> 
 >>> In the case of Mexico, to name a parallel scenario, the State 
 >>> One point could take control of the infrastructure 
 >>> Telecommunications (being pblica) and control under the 
 >>> Justification of national security, communications without 
 >>> Would appeal to protect citizens against abuse. 
 >>> Again I reflect. 
 >>> In 
 >>> State respectful of human rights, the rule may well 
 >>> Control infrastructure and the flow of communications without 
 >>> That citizen had (much) to worry about.But in a 
 >>> State where respect for human rights is lax, to put 
 >>> Somehow the preocupacin should be mayscula. 
 >>> 
 >>> I think the issue darpara much analysis, reflection and discussion in 
 >>> Coming months. 
 >>> 
 >>> Please note closer!
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>> Regards, 
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>> 
 Len &gt;&gt;&gt; 
 >>> 
 >>>>> On 26/02/2015, at 19:52, Alberto Soto 
 >>>>> <asoto at ibero-americano.org>
 >>>> Wrote: 
 >>>> 
 >>>> It is a measure ojalprospere and be an example to governments 
 >>>> Of 
 >>> Our 
 >>>> Regin: 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Http://goo.gl/Rjmc7H 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Best regards 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Alberto Soto 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
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