[lac-discuss-en] [lac-discuss-es] Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce

Carlton Samuels carlton.samuels at gmail.com
Sun Aug 9 03:13:03 UTC 2015


Dear Alberto:
It is always a challenge to write in English for this list. Not just
because the translation/interpretation is crappy. But often because we come
from different perspectives.

When I write, please understand it is for meaning, not feeling.

I sense you are unhappy that I refer and use the example of the proposed
'apology as participation' rule in my arguments. I am relieved you are not
disputing the fact. So maybe you feel I am blaming you for it being offered
in the first place.  Perish the thought!

I use it as a metaphor.  Because to my mind by merely suggesting it, a
state of mind is communicated. That this construct surfaced is not and
cannot be a positive for the mind that delivered it.

Here's what else. Policy development and advice are our objectives. That
incident truly degrades my confidence that we have the tools we need to
suggest meaningful and sound policy development advice. And as you know, we
are all concerned that the general LACRALO struggles to contribute here.

The translation may be faulty but it appears you might have been
threatening 'expulsion' from fellowship for my opinions.  I note this
impulse to suppress criticism by contemplating censorship.  So you know, I
detest censorship in the same way I detest hypocrisy. You do have a role as
Chair of LACRALO.  I know it well, I drafted it. Do look at it again.

Kindest regards,
-Carlton


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2015-08-08 19:02 GMT-05:00 Alberto Soto <asoto at ibero-americano.org>:

> Estimado Carlton, el tema de las disculpas había sido charlado alguna vez
> hace tiempo en alguna reunión de ALAC, y por eso estaba siendo tratado en
> LACRALO y quizás no habría que citarlo como una estupidez, sino como una
> colaboración. Se discutió y se quitó.
> Además, al momento que se planteó quitarlo, fue quitado. Pese a ello es la
> tercera vez que lo estás citando como ejemplo.
> Quizás la mejora del lenguaje en las reuniones y en las listas,  sea otra
> herramienta valiosa para lograr mayor participación. El lenguaje
> inadecuado,
> o grosero o insultante, es una causal de alejamiento de los miembros.
> Saludos
> Alberto
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> [mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de
> carlton.samuels at gmail.com
> Enviado el: sábado, 8 de agosto de 2015 8:41 p. m.
> Para: lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> CC: LACRALO-EN <lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org>; ALAC
> <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y
> expectativas Taskforce
>
>
> [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]]
>
>  Asunto: Re: Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce
>  De: carlton.samuels at gmail.com
>
>  1.
>
>
>  El reto está ajustando las bases estructurales de la At-Large
> participación en ICANN y las percepciones de desempeño. Y eso será
> difícil,
> en el mejor.
>
>
>  Más al punto, no estamos viendo el tipo de pensamiento innovador acerca
> métricas de rendimiento que haría lo que tú y yo vemos como el valor de
> venir a la  cima.
>
>
>  Caso en punto. Tuvimos una situación reciente en LACRALO donde estaba
> seriamente  propuso que si uno envía una disculpa por la falta de
> asistencia
> - * NOTA bien,  puramente no asistir * - una reunión en línea, que deben
> ser
> contados como  participación!
>
>
>  Y, algunos chico ignorante afirmaría delito si uno fuera a reflexivamente
> decir en voz alta que la noción expresada ofende incluso la idea de sentido
> común  de lo que es estúpido.
>
>
>  -Carlton
>
>
>
>
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>  Carlton Un Samuels
>  Móvil: 876-818-1799
>  * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega *
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>
>
>  El Sábado, 08 de agosto 2015 a las 2:37 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
> <ocl at gih.com>
>  escribió:
>
>
> > Dear Alan,
> >
> > agreed on all your other points.
> >
> > On 08/08/2015 00:58, Alan Greenberg wrote:
> > >
> > > 3. The latter ones come to meetings, perhaps attend some meetings,
> > > enjoy the local offerings, and go home and forget about us until the
> > > next trip. THOSE are the ones that I have a real problem with.
> >
> > And unfortunately whenever the time comes for having face to face
> > meetings, we treat those people the same way as we treat the people
> > who genuinely want to get involved. It is impossible to build a
> > relationship with people who do not make the effort to keep involved
> > in between face to face meetingsMy argument is that we should identify
> > people who have a genuine interest in helping out and facilitate their
> > involvement in face to face meetings, more often than at GAs every 5
> years.
> > So far, what I have done is to give excellent references to people
> > applying for the fellowship program and whom I judge to be of real
> > potential. But that's not enough since the program is only available
> > for developing nations.
> > This is why I would favour the ability for the ALAC to invite people
> > from their ALSes to an ICANN meeting, based on a skill requirement.
> > For example, the hot topic is about WHOIS, let's invite people whom we
> > know to be privacy experts. The hot topic is about ICANN
> > Accountability - let's invite people who run an ALS that has a need to
> > impeccable accountability. etc.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Olivier
> >
>
>
>
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