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 Subject: Re:? = Utf-8 q Modification = C3 = utf-8 B3n_en_los_procedimiento == s = q??? 
 From: asoto at ibero-americano.org

 This time Alejandro agree, although I do not propose that each generates Complete procedures and publish. 

 There are already several days ago from a proposal by the Governance Group. If we do not agree with what allestescrito then take what they are we do not agree, we propose the modification with the corresponding fundamentals. And that is what is esthaciendo. What we have done several. 

 There is already a date for this and is prior to the General Assembly. 

 Best Regards 

 Alberto Soto 

 From: Alejandro Pisanty [mailto: apisanty at gmail.com] 
 Posted on: Thursday, May 29, 2014 7:36 pm
 To: Natalia Enciso 
 CC: Alberto Soto; LACRALO Espaol 
 Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] modification procedures 

 Natalia, 

 thank you for these timely and complete details. 

 Indeed since the last General Assembly that logralgn result (2009) we discussed the rules and election procedures respectively. Despite my general we leave to the energies in opposition procedural issues, it seems necessary to devote some kilojoules level falls to the General Assembly. 

 Your idea that a Working Group be the Electoral Commission seems very wise. It is a way to create rules adapted to the evolution of the conditions. General Rules (where applicable Statutes and Rules of Procedure) bastarahora leave the minimums specified parameters (times, a goal of transparency and accountability, one of credibility, the existence of procedures impugnaci n, etc.). 

 We can adapt for this purpose regulations with which organizations they belong to different members of LACRALO, which had the IGC (recalling that were part of the causes of its implosion), etc work., Ie no have to be invented from scratch. 

 Now if, as Alberto says, each of us must develop a comprehensive legislative proposal, and will discuss in full, and we may well dissolve the Governance Working Group, is not it? We will make a set of rules as in a supermarket, adding orders everyone, and they have no serresponsable consistency, internal consistency, correspondence with the purpose, risk analysis, and proportionality to the size of the organization. 

 It is also important to identify the Presidency and the Secretariat, in this scenario, have greatly diminished their potential liabilities; Alberto's proposal does just the scribes, and function that is fulfilled in the staff. In these terms we can begin to simplify many things, such as the cessation of support for travel to these charges. 

 Natalia, I agree with you that the Board has been proposed is disproportionately large. The same reason that Alberto wields no expertise to drive people to join working groups (which are too few active members) should apply here. Also, ALAC members are elected as representatives competing in the election on the basis of their ability to represent, while President and Secretary do based on the Outlook on voters about their ability coordinate (just leave demostrcunto a period I can be mistaken in that pronstico). 

 I propose that the Governance Working Group explains the logic of his proposal and Directory functions ste ymximas mnimas to discuss after funcinyslo first, based on sta, form. 

 Finally I agree with your idea, Natalia, that the working groups are temporary and respond to specific needs. 

 Best to all / as greetings. 

 Alejandro Pisanty 

 29.05.2014 9:09 GMT-05: 00 Natalia Enciso <natalia.enciso at gmail.com <mailto:natalia.enciso at gmail.com> &gt;: 

 Hi Alberto and Alejandro: 

 I did not clarify that the proposal only brought what had colacin 
 already spoken on the roster ATRS time. Always come in short of 
 elections. 

 But since we are talking about proposals. I can suggest something and see that 
 comments are received on the list. 

 As for the number of people on board as well as said 
 Ablerto, also seems to me a lot. For these working there can 
 form but not in the directory and according to every need. 

 Will propose that the working groups are formed according to need and for 
 time. It also occurs to me that one of these groups can be 
 the Election Commission, which is aimed at all concerning 
 elections, so to not do anything permanent because only 
 will have work when elections.

 If you think that estbien, will propose the text in the wiki. 

 Regards, 

 Natalia 

 The 29 May 2014 10:53, Alberto Soto <asoto at ibero-americano.org <mailto:asoto at ibero-americano.org> &gt; Wrote: 

> Alejandro, como dije en mails anteriores, no somos la directiva actual o
> los
> grupos de trabajo los únicos que debemos proponer. En particular, habíamos
> aclarado que estábamos esperando las proposiciones de parta de cada ALS
> sobre el tema que le interesaba crear o modificar. Igualmente estamos
> trabajando en la agenda, ya lo daremos a conocer.
> También habíamos pedido que por favor, quienes lo hicieran, aportaran su
> fundamento y el párrafo o párrafos con las modificaciones que sugiere.
> Esto es para evitar que alguien diga "tienen que modificar tal cosa". Es
> una
> forma de decir "quiero que se modifique tal cosa, háganlo".
> Ya varios han aportado modificaciones de esta forma, y como vimos, promueve
> la discusión. La otra forma, suele quedar en el aire y nadie aporta.
> Saludos cordiales
>
> Alberto Soto
>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch [mailto:apisan at unam.mx <mailto:apisan at unam.mx> ]
> Enviado el: jueves, 29 de mayo de 2014 06:19 a.m.
> Para: Alberto Soto; LACRALO Español
> Asunto: RE: [lac-discuss-es] Modificación en los procedimientos
>
> Alberto,
>
> gracias por publicar esta aportación.
>
> ¿Van Uds. - la directiva actual y/o el grupo de trabajo de gobernanza - a
> publicar también una propuesta para los procedimientos electorales? Natalia
> Enciso acaba de recordarlos de manera oportuna y precisa.
>
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> [asoto at ibero-americano.org <mailto:asoto at ibero-americano.org> ] Enviado el: miércoles, 28 de mayo de 2014
> 18:44
> Hasta: LACRALO Español
> Asunto: [lac-discuss-es] Modificación en los procedimientos
>
> Acabo de realizar este comentario y sugerencia de modificación en la wiki.
>
> Saludos cordiales
>
>
>
> Alberto Soto
>
>
>
> Coincido con el espíritu de la creación del Directorio, pero no con el
> número de integrantes. En general participando en las reuniones o eventos
> de
> otro tipo somos entre 6 y 8, ya repetidas veces. Muy pocas veces superamos
> ese número.
>
> Creo que con Presidente, Vice, Secretario, Vice, Alac Members y suplentes,
> y
> el representante ante el NONCOM,  y dos miembros más Serían once (11). El
> párrafo podría quedar así:
>
>
>
> 10.  LACRALO contará además con un órgano con funciones administrativas y
> operativas, denominado Directorio. Este órgano estará formado por  once
> representantes de las ALS acreditadas y se integrará automáticamente con
> las
> personas que sean elegidas para desempeñar los cargos de Presidente/a,
> Vice-Presidente/a, Secretario/a, Vice-Secretario/a, los dos representantes
> elegidos por LACRALO ante ALAC y sus respectivos suplentes y el
> representante elegido por el NomCom ante ALAC.  Para la integración de los
> dos miembros restantes, el Presidente/a de LACRALO que ejerza asimismo las
> funciones de Presidente /a del Directorio, realizará un llamado a integrar
> este Directorio entre los delegados de las ALS acreditadas.Dentro de este
> directorio, se designarán los denominados Directores de Políticas
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