[lac-discuss-en] RES: RES: 193 FUNDETIC application BOLIVIA
sylvia at internautabrasil.org
sylvia at internautabrasil.org
Fri Mar 7 19:18:08 UTC 2014
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Subject: RES: RES: 193 FUNDETIC application BOLIVIA
From: sylvia at internautabrasil.org
Dear Alexander,
My comments were made in representative character of
Internauta Brazil and not as secretary of the region (I apologize for the
lack of aclaracin) the same way I imagine it must have done
Fatima Cambronero in as a member and not as Densi Ageia ALAC
member.
Regards
sylvia
___________________________________________________
Sylvia Herlein
<mailto:sylvia at internautabrasil.org> sylvia at internautabrasil.org
Secretary-LACRALO ICANN / 2012-2014 - <http://atlarge.icann.org/>
http://atlarge.icann.org
Secretary FLUI 2009-2015
sylvia_leite = Skype
Descrio: Assinatura_Sylvia_Internautabrasil
From: Alejandro Pisanty [mailto: apisanty at gmail.com]
Posted in: Friday, March 7, 2014 17:04
To: SYLVIA Herlein
Cc: Vanda Scartezini; LACRALO
Assunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] RES: 193 FUNDETIC application BOLIVIA
Sylvia,
first express my protest against your conduction of this matter since
Secretariat of the actuacin your post has not been fair or prudent.
Step to the noun:
FUNDETIC documents are primarily indicative of interpretation
who have already expressed clearly and Ftima Cambronero Alberto Soto, and
I've added repeatedly, we see basically a consultancy
performs tasks for government contracts. Remunerative or not,
projects are benficos for poblacino not is of second order. It
matters is to bring the scope of ICANN At Large of the view favored, voice,
general Internet users in their community.That is not
documented in their statutes.
Counterarguments that we hear are those that depart from
documentable knowledge of the action of FUNDETIC. Someone has been expressed
by Carlos Vera. It is notable that the requirement is inconsistent with attachment
the statutes, as it is based on their knowledge of the action of FUNDETIC.
Foul document it. Doing so will your own position in the Secretariat, not
asla enthusiastic partisanship and moor knives made to
FUNDETIC engage in a discussion that is internal and can now
end resulting in their favor. Sergio arguments without documentation
or statements about facts, point tambina very serious questions about what
Gestin may be his if he won the presidency in elections and
imminent: rhetoric, bias and superficiality, elements that have already
proved to be harmful. Ojalesto only is the interpretation of a
time and not a pattern of behavior.
Alejandro Pisanty
3/7/2014 11:06 GMT-06: 00 <sylvia at internautabrasil.org> :
S, Vanda, ICANN will accept as an ALS!
At-Large and consequently LACRALO is the home end users
internet as we proudly affirm.
And looking documents sent by FUNDETIC, ascomo watching her choose a
web, we deduce that they work, defend and encourage users
present and future of Bolivia.
With regard to values, the only requirement is that ICANN requested by the
organization that wants to be part of our community to be self-sustaining
and does not intend to receive help from ICANN Econmica. All we have
organizations working with users know very well that it is very difficult
organize activities and projects of nowhere. Estque clear need
money to do things, and if they receive donations or "under price
solidarity "is not our concern.
If we reach our goal of at least 1 ALS by our pas
region, as candidates for the elections that just touches us
ESTN achieve promising right now, I advise you not to miss this
opportunity and open to receive from this organization of Bolivia arms.
In addition if you look closely at the website, you will see that not only
engaged users who are interested but Bolivia and report by
inclusion activities in neighboring countries.
http://www.fundeticbolivia.org/site/
I can only say, Welcome Bolivia, members FUNDETIC Welcome!
___________________________________________________
Sylvia Herlein
sylvia at internautabrasil.org
Secretary-LACRALO ICANN / 2012-2014 - http://atlarge.icann.org
Secretary FLUI 2009-2015
sylvia_leite = Skype
----- Mensagem Original -----
From: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
[Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome of Vanda
Scartezini
Posted in: Friday, March 7, 2014 15:16
To: lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org
Assunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] application FUNDETIC 193 BOLIVIA
What is relevant is to have profit!
All organizations seeking resources offering services, either
getting help from governments against their services or providing services
a sua reach customers to achieve their social goals.
For example, ICANN is a nonprofit organization but charge
their services. Although its focus is to maintain stability and security
rede, has an important role to users (and as we bear, at
ALAC us RALOS and if non are dedicated to users?) ICANN
may not be an ALS? I think if that should be.
Again my 2 cents.
Vanda Scartezini
Polo Consultores Associados
Av Paulista 1159, 1004 cj
01311-200 - Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil
Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253
Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464
On 03/07/14 10:46, "Humberto Carrasco" <hcarrascob at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you Alberto,
>
> Slo comment. Bringing you pose is meant to look like
> Our organizations can not charge any activity.
>
> Up to universities and non-profit must sometimes acquire sum
> Simblicas to help achieve their goals.
>
> I return to disagree on this point. The fact that charged for something,
> Means going against our bylaws or a certification.
>
> However, I appreciate having generated this healthy debate.
>
> A hug
>
> On 03/07/2014 1:41 pm, Alberto Soto wrote:
Humberto >> Hi, may agree with you that statutorily
>> May meet, but it will seem totally contradicts what
Exposed in the >> web page of the institution.All, of the two
Dating >> examples, may be considered by the stamp
Da >> World of Internet, where it is mentioned to the peasants. This
Be laudable if >> previous actions would provide the
Information and knowledge >> necessary, not only for that event,
But actually >> actions that indicate the beginning and continuity
User >> internet.
The other example >> "My web" is to "under joint price", ie
That >> who can not pay, will have no.
My personal conclusion >> The Statute differs greatly, both
Actions >> organization's mission and orientation as purely
>> Business and particularly to the government, which does not fulfilling
To certify >> conditions. If you do what the statute says,
>> Will match, but is doing things as the only study that all
>> Figure, commercial conclusions that serve to provide their
>> Service to businesses and government.
>>
Best regards >>
>>
Alberto Soto >>
>>
----- Original Message ----- >>
>> From: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>> [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of
Humberto Carrasco >> Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 9:49 a.m.
>> To: lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] application FUNDETIC 193 BOLIVIA
>>
Estimated >> Alberto,
>>
I just put in >> the wiki the reasons why I disagree with you and
Should >> understand that if accepted the certification of this organization.
>>
>> Notwithstanding this, the aquabajo copy.
>>
Greetings >>
>>
Estimated >> Alberto,
>>
>> First of all appreciate your analysis on this postulacin.
>> But let me disagree with you for the following reasons:
>>
>> 1 -. Throughout my analysis of postulacina judgment must be a
So >> analysis and one line.So says the relationship analysis
>> With the statutes or regulations governing the organization
>> Candidate. The background analysis says relationship with actions
>> Have made to benefit the end user or in other words
>> "Works" performed or to be performed for the benefit of users
End >>.
>>
>> 2 -. Deberamos With these criteria check if the applicant meets
>> Requirements. Proceed to perform this analysis.
>>
>> * A -. Analysis form *
>>
>> From this point of view we have the rules cited by Alberto and
Also by Ftima >>. However, in my opinion. He has omitted a
Ms >> element that relevant. The expression user can not be
Expressly >> rules, but if other expressions Travs ms
General >> such as ciudadanao population. These can be
Find >> down the organic statutes of the applicant entity.
>>
>> The dictionary of the Royal Academy of Espaola Language (RAE) defines
As >>
* >> * _ciudadana_ To:
>>
* >> "Citizen. *
>>
* >> 1. * F.Cualidad and citizen rights.
>>
>> * 2. * F.Conjunto citizens of a people or nation.
>>
>> * 3. * Own f.Comportamiento of a good citizen. "
>>
>> As you can see in the second acepcin can perfectly
Be included >> users.
>>
>> Considering this, the Statute orgnico FUNDETIC set within
>> Their specific objectives as follows:
>>
>> "Article 10 -. (Objectives YOU SPECIFIC) -. The specific objectives of
FUNDETIC >> - BOLIVIA are:
>>
B >>.Implement Society information and knowledge
Between >> / * public * /, businesses and public and private institutions,
>> To reduce the digital divide in the country. "(Emphasis added)
>>
Aqupuede >> look like this public expression used in
Contraposicina >> companies and public or private institutions,
Making her my >> judgment synonymous with the user.
>>
>> Now, for the expression * _poblacin_ * SAR, it has pointed
>> Following:
>>
>> (From the lat. / Populati (o,-o-nis /).
>>
* >> 1. * F.Acciny effect to people.
>>
>> * 2. * F.Conjunto people inhabiting the Earth or any division
Geographic >> it.
>>
>> * 3. * F.Conjunto of buildings and spaces of a city.
>>
* 4 >>. * F. / / / Ecol. / Group of individuals of the same species that occupy
>> The same geographic area.
>>
* >> 5. * F. / / / Sociol. / Set of individuals or things gone through a
Statistican >> evaluation by sampling.
>>
>> Meanwhile, the status of FUNDETIC points out the following:
>>
>> "Article 10 -. (Objectives YOU SPECIFIC) -. The specific objectives of
FUNDETIC >> - BOLIVIA are:
>>
F >>. Plan and execute processes in ICT capacitacin Travs of
>> Workshops, seminars, courses, exhibitions., Promoting
>> Creation of new capacities and skills in different segments of
The >>
* >> / Population / * in the context of social development Economic and
>> Production. "
>> (Emphasis added)
>>
Aquse >> refers to the various segments of the population
Which should be included >> users.
>>
>> From this point of view, in my opinion, this organization
Statutorily >> if estorientada develop activities for
>> Internet users.
>>
* >> B -. * Background Analysis
>>
>> As expressed in the presence aquestamos activities
>> That have been or can be made for the benefit of
>> Users.
>>
Here >>, here are some examples that have been made and confirmed in the
Choose a web >> this institution.
>>
At the section >> Programs and projects.Allpor example, you can go to
>> The section that says "2012" and can be found with the following:
>>
>> "Audience design contest for the emission of three postal stamps
In commemoration of the day >> Internet world "
>>
>> If the overall goal of the contest is reviewed, you can find
This >>
Declararcin >>:
>>
>> "GENERAL PURPOSE: To encourage the active participation of institutions
>> Government, academic sectors, business and indigenous organizations
Originating >> and farmers across the country, to investigate and
Emit >> a graphical proposal that symbolizes the importance and
>> Bolivia meaning for the use and application of
Comunicacin Informaciny >> Technologies of particular use
INTERNET >> as a primary tool of promotion and development of
Society >> Informaciny reduction of the digital divide in the
>> Pas. "
>>
There is a >> reference to indigenous and peasant organizations that
Course be considered >> users.
>>
Also >> this organization may be involved in a program
>> Called "my first web program":
>>
>>
Http://www.fundeticbolivia.org/site/index.php/programas-y-proyectos/mi >>
-Pr >>
Ime >>
Ra-web >>
>>
Aquse express >> "The Foundation for the Development of Technologies
Of Informaciny Comunicacin >> - * "FUNDETIC-BOLIVIA" *, is pleased
* >> To Cast _Programme WEB_ MY FIRST * having the same
Purpose >>
>> "Encourage and promote the use of Internet access and development
>> Content, services and applications oriented: students,
>> Academics, professionals, small and medium enterprises who wish
>> Have presence on the web to a charity cost. ""
>>
Reference to college students >> Professional is made, which
Also >> have the character of users.
>>
* >> / _In Synthesis, in my view fully meet the requirements of
Background >> shape and alluded to certify this organizacin._ / ** / __ / *
>>
Greetings >>
>>
>>
>> El 03/07/2014 12:16 am, Alberto Soto wrote:
>>> Dear, just uploaded to the wiki my comment, with suggestions
Not accept >>> certification. I copy down the same comment:
>>>
Observations >>> after reading their bylaws, procedures and
Choose a content >>> web:
Mission differs >>> contained in the Statute: "... policies,
>>> Implement strategies and coordinate actions aimed at reducing the
Digital divide >>> Travs pulse of the Technologies
Informaciny >>> the Comunicacin in all sectors and fields of the
>> Society. "
The statute generally >>> I estorientado: "... citizens, businesses and
>>> Public and private institutions. "Never indicates actions aimed
Persons >>> a particular way.
>>>
Observations on the >>> web page:
>>> The mission: "To encourage and coordinate the government's relations with
Bolivian society >>> by the management of ICT tools in
All sectors and >>> FIELDS. "
In >>> "About Us", the reason for its creation: "Created to
Contribute >>> the Plurinational State of Bolivia to the planning,
Direcciny >>> execution of the actions necessary to implement the
Electronic >>> Government in the country through the diffusion and use of
Technologies of Informaciny >>> Comunicacin (ICT). "
>>>
As end user >>> Internet once quoted, "About
Us >>> "but all actions aim to serve in the field
Government >>> I aclarndolo specifically. This can be seen in
>>> "Key Features", "Mission", "Policy How quality", "Objectives
Institutional >>> "," General Strategy "," Complaint "(orientation
Commercial >>> "
>> "Content and Services"
>>> (Commercial orientation), "Technology" (commercial orientation).
In >>> "success factors, politician Leadership" requires "participation
Active and direct >>> government officials. "
In >>> "working components" estorientado to government and business.
Regarding >>> "Services" is purely commercial.
>>>
>>> From the time of its creation, there was no action it intended to
Internet >>> end user, and the foregoing, all
Estorientado >>> your drive, on a commercial basis, to work with
Companies and government >>> their country.
>>>
No >>> have in their statutes, or procedures, or in its Pgina
Web >>> nothing that allows a glimpse of a previous or future work with the
>>> (Non-commercial) Internet end user therefore, must not
Be >>>
>> Certified.
----- Original Message ----- >>>
>>> From: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>> [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of
Sylvia at internautabrasil.org >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2014
9:33 pm >>>
>>> To: lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>> Subject: [lac-discuss-es] application FUNDETIC 193 BOLIVIA
>>>
Dear members of LACRALO >>>
>>>
>>> As has already informed the staff, we have received an application for
>>> Part of an organization of Bolivia to be part of LACRALO.
>>>
>>> As usual, ALAC, one asks the region "advise" a
Advice >>> before incorporacino not vote for an organization
To >>>
At-Large >>.
We send >>> this advice for the day 10/03/2014.
>>>
We need >>> comments LACRALO members, and for them
>>> Have opened a wiki page:
>>> https://community.icann.org/display/LACRALO/Regional+Advice+needed+A
LS >>>
+ Appli >>>
Cation +193 + >>> + BOLIVIA FUNDETIC
>>>
Will receive comments until >>> 03/09/2014 23:59 UTC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
See >>> attached the statute and the rules of FUNDETIC.
Http://www.fundeticbolivia.org/site/ >>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
Greetings >>>
>>>
Sylvia >>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
___________________________________________________ >>>
>>>
Sylvia Herlein >>>
>>>
>>> <mailto:sylvia at internautabrasil.org> sylvia at internautabrasil.org
>>>
ICANN Secretary-LACRALO >>> / 2012-2014 - <http://atlarge.icann.org/>
Http://atlarge.icann.org >>>
>>>
2009-2015 Secretary FLUI >>>
>>>
Sylvia_leite = >>> Skype
>>>
Descrio >>>: Assinatura_Sylvia_Internautabrasil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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