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silvia.vivanco at icann.org
silvia.vivanco at icann.org
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From: silvia.vivanco at icann.org
Dear Fatima,
The intention was to clarify any doubts regarding the evidence used by the At Large to evaluate this application. The work of the staff is to provide the community with all the elements for the community to take a researched and informed decision.
I'm sorry if my email has given the impression of having interfered, nothing else away from my intention, if it seemed Aspido apologies.
I look around your disposiciny apoyndolos LACRALO to continue.
A hug
Silvia
Silvia Vivanco
Manager, At Large Regional Affairs
ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
www.icann.org <http://www.icann.org/>
From: Fatima Cambronero [mailto: fatimacambronero at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:34 PM
To: Silvia Vivanco
Cc: Alberto Soto; JosFrancisco Arce; ICANN At-Large Staff; LACRALO Espaol
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Communication on the application of ACUI Internauta Colombia HELP RULES INTERPRETATION OF VIEW ATTACHMENT
Dear Silvia,
I greatly appreciate your collaboration in this matter and in many others, as well ests always predisposed to collaborate with our THIN. Personally I value muchsimo.
But Let Me Two clarifications: although deep both versions say something similar, it is not right that you follow referring to rules that no longer estnms force because there is a new version which is the version n force and applied today. The guidelines on which you base estnms no longer apply, but, again, in the background has not changed substantially. There are new rules for the 2013 ALAC and have to rely on those rules. This does not merit further analysis.
Secondly, I again thank you for your work in closer material estbamos perhaps not given, but the role of Staff is limited to that and allse ends. The Staff can not intervene in the substantive discussions that has the community and the criteria that the community wants to exploit ms versus other (within the requirements obviously). Must be clearly understood the role of the community in the discussions and decisions taken, and the role of Staff to serve the community and nothing more. Should not be planted any doubt as to the roles of each. Therefore I respectfully request that aquen ms discussions on whether regional council should be in favor or not to accept Internauta Colombia as accredited ALS are given within the scope of the community and take care of the Staff accordance with the due diligence processes that establish the rules of procedure ALAC 2013.
Again thank you very much.
Best Regards,
Fatima Cambronero
The September 25, 2014, 0:37, Silvia Vivanco <silvia.vivanco at icann.org<mailto:silvia.vivanco at icann.org> > I wrote:
Dear Fatima,
Let me clarify: The minimum criteria for assessing applications for ALS has not changed (please vase comparison table below) I notice that the version in English is only changed the word "Constituted" by "organized". Besides tmese Please note the following:
"Any change to the Minimum Criteria would require assent before the ICANN Board Modifications can be brought` into force, Which Also would itself require a public comment period".
So the guides I've attached (document ALAC / 2007 / SD / 2.Rev7 DATE:. 23rd July 2007) remain vlidas why staff continued reference to Noah them as a guide when you drive " Due diligence ".
Please also read the following paragraph of that document does not contradict what you mention, which is that the organization does not have to be legally constituted. That was precisely the aim of sharing this document with you. The document "guidelines" reads:
Second Criterion
The second criterion, as Agreed With the board, is in black text AS FOLLOWS:
2 Be Constituted So THAT Individual participation by Internet users who are Citizens or residents of countries Within the Geographic Region in Which the ALS is based will predominate in the ALS 'operation. The ALS May permit additional participation by others That is Compatible with the interests of the Individual Internet users Within the region.
The guidelines for evaluation of whether or not an Applicant fulfils This criterion are as Follows.
Guidelines Relevant to All Applicants:
1 There is no requirement That an organization be legally Constituted, or Otherwise, or of any special structure, excepting as provided in in Original Otherwise Guidelines.
Translation An Espaol: There is no requirement that an organization is legally constituted, or having a particular structure, except this Gua otherwise.
In short, we are saying the same thing, I've wanted to support the guidelines document, ie there is no legal requirement that the ALS estconstituida I not been before under the old rules and there is not now either.
Minimum criteria for an At-Large Structure:
ALAC ALAC OLD NEW RULES RULES
1 Commit to supporting single Internet users' informed participation in ICANN by distributing to Individual Constituents / members ICANN Relevant information on activities and issues, Internet-based-mechanisms Offering That enable discussions of one or more of These activities and issues Among Individual Constituents / members , and Involving Individual Constituents / members in relevant ICANN policy development, discussions and decisions.
"1.Commit to supporting single Internet users' informed participation in
ICANN by distributing to Individual Constituents / members information on
Relevant ICANN activities and issues, Offering Internet-based-mechanisms
That enable discussions of one or more of These activities and issues
Among Individual Constituents / members, and Involving Individual
Constituents / members in relevant ICANN policy development, discussions
and decisions.
2 Be Organized So THAT Individual participation by Internet users who are Citizens or residents of countries Within the Geographic Region in Which the ALS is based will predominate in the ALS 'operation. The ALS May permit additional participation by others That is Compatible with the interests of the Individual Internet users Within the region.
Be Constituted So THAT Individual participation by Internet users who are
Citizens or residents of countries Within the Geographic Region in Which
the ALS is based will predominate in the ALS 'operation. The ALS May
permit additional participation by others That is Compatible with the
interests of the Individual Internet users Within the region.
3 Be self-supporting (not rely on ICANN for funding).
3 Be self-supporting (not rely on ICANN for funding).
4 Post on the Internet (on the ALAC's website or elsewhere) publicly-accessible, current information about the ALS's goals, structure, description of constituent group (s) / membership, working-mechanisms, leadership, and contact (s).
4 Post on the Internet (on the ALAC's website or elsewhere) publicly accessible,
current information about the ALS's goals, structure, description of constituent group (s) / membership, working-mechanisms,
leadership, and contact (s).
5 Assist in performing the THIN ITS function.
5 Assist in performing the THIN ITS function. "
To answer your question regarding who uses the staff rules, the minimum criterion for evaluating Alses used by staff is that of 2013 which did not change the above criteria.
For any further questions I am at your Disposition,
Best Regards,
Silvia
Silvia Vivanco
Manager, At Large Regional Affairs
ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
www.icann.org <http://www.icann.org/>
From: Alberto Soto [mailto: asoto at ibero-americano.org <mailto:asoto at ibero-americano.org> ]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:07 PM
To: 'Fatima Cambronero'; Silvia Vivanco
Cc: 'JosFrancisco Arce'; ICANN At-Large Staff; 'LACRALO Espaol'
Subject: RE: [lac-discuss-es] Communication on the application of ACUI Internauta Colombia HELP RULES INTERPRETATION OF VIEW ATTACHMENT
Thanks for your excellent contribution Ftima. Just add it to the wiki.
To all, I ask you to please do everything to Travs wiki.If the wiki does not exist, and now sb member wishes to join the discussion, you must search all previous messages and then do it.
In the wiki you can follow the whole thread ningn without losing detail. In the same was already established the need for statutes not legally approved by local authority.
Best Regards
Alberto Soto
From: Fatima Cambronero [mailto: fatimacambronero at gmail.com]
Posted on: Wednesdays, September 24, 2014 8:55 pm
To: Silvia Vivanco
CC: JosFrancisco Arce; Alberto Soto; ICANN At-Large Staff; LACRALO Espaol
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Communication on the application of ACUI Internauta Colombia HELP RULES INTERPRETATION OF VIEW ATTACHMENT
Dear / os,
Silvia, thank you very much for your intentions to collaborate with LACRALO in this discussion that estllevando forward.
However, unfortunately, the information you share to us is incorrect.
ALAC has amended its rules of procedure last year. The rules of procedure in force are ALAC April 2013 and can be found at this link: https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/2262672/ALAC%2BRoP-06April2013.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1378914284000&api=v2
These rules on the number 15 dealing with At-Large Structures and envan the Annex on the "Framework of At-Large Structures".
The link to the Framework of the ALS is Annex 4 and is in this link: https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/2262672/Adjunct-04-ALS-Framework-19Jun2013-For%20Approval.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1372720787000&api=v2
This framework sets out the requirements for consituirse as ALS and the procedure to be performed for such Accreditation (including the steps to accomplish the organization, the Secretariat of the THIN and At-Large Staff, who is the Making Due Diligence).
In the section on Minimum Requirements for ALS, ALAC in this modificacina its rules, eliminated the item on the NO need ESTN organizations applying to be certified as legally ALS ESTN constituted.
That is, now ALAC rules say nothing about whether an organization that wants to be accredited as ALS must be legally constituted or not. Therefore, it is clear that LACRALO can not require it as a mandatory requirement, the organization legally estconstituida.
I also think it is important to note that the rules of procedure ALAC, any of its points shows that ALAC shall follow the regional council.In practice, whenever application of an organization that claims to be accredited as ALS, or have regional council is carrying out a Voting in ALAC, not to certify or organization such as ALS. And something important about it and is now in ALAC estdiscutiendo: the feedback of ALAC in these cases, are joint-stock. You can not tell if a member of ALAC votpara or not to accredit the organization. Some members of ALAC disagree with asy remains that we have spoken in favor of voting in the know how votcada ALAC member in these cases. This still has not been resolved and seguirdiscutiendo reunin ICANN in Los Angeles.
Now on this particular case we are discussing, I would like to ask you to please Antonio explaye and to explain the situation regarding the use of the name you mentioned, for more information then you can give the THIN regional council. Thanks in advance, Antonio.
Silvia, a query on this confusion of the rules of procedure applicable ALAC, the due dilligence of ltimas organizations that have applied for accreditation as ALS, has been made based on the rules of 2013, right?
Thank you very much.
Best Regards,
Fatima Cambronero
The September 24, 2014, 19:38, Silvia Vivanco <silvia.vivanco at icann.org<mailto:silvia.vivanco at icann.org> > I wrote:
Dear members of LACRALO
Please see the document below. I have attached the version in English.
ALAC / 2007 / SD / 2.Rev7. DATE: 23rd July 2007
Second Criterion
The second criterion, as Agreed With the board, is in black text AS FOLLOWS:
2 Be Constituted So THAT Individual participation by Internet users who are Citizens or residents of countries Within the Geographic Region in Which the ALS is based will predominate in the ALS 'operation. The ALS May permit additional participation by others That is Compatible with the interests of the Individual Internet users Within the region.
The guidelines for evaluation of whether or not an Applicant fulfils This criterion are as Follows.
Guidelines Relevant to All Applicants:
One.There is no requirement That an organization be legally Constituted, or Otherwise, or of any special structure, excepting as provided in in Original Otherwise Guidelines.
I hope this document will help them clarify doubts.
Best Regards
Silvia
Silvia Vivanco
Manager, At Large Regional Affairs
ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
www.icann.org <http://www.icann.org><http://www.icann.org>
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From: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> ] On Behalf Of JosFrancisco Arce
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:03 PM
To: Alberto Soto
Cc: LACRALO Espaol
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Communication on the application of ACUI Internauta Colombia
Dear,
My opinion:
I think Antonio does not object.It only rhetorically asked whether constiruido is to be legally necessary and sufficient condition to prove.
Amen to have some that are not, I think should be discussed and analyzed in the region we want now and for the future.
I think we should view the particular case, but it would be very good that there is formality.
Antonio Thanks for taking the trouble to find out in this information relevant agencies.
Greetings
Jose
Sep 24, 2014 6:48 PM, "Alberto Soto" <asoto at ibero-americano.org<mailto:asoto at ibero-americano.org><mailto:asoto at ibero-americano.org<mailto:asoto at ibero-americano.org> >>
I wrote:
> Es lo que le estoy pidiendo a Antonio.
> Saludos cordiales
>
> Alberto Soto
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch [mailto:apisan at unam.mx<mailto:apisan at unam.mx>] Enviado el:
> miércoles, 24 de septiembre de 2014 06:51 p.m.
> Para: Alberto Soto; 'Antonio Medina Gómez'; 'LACRALO Español';
> 'Humberto Carrasco'
> Asunto: RE: [lac-discuss-es] Comunicación de ACUI sobre la solicitud
> de Internauta Colombia
>
> Alberto, Antonio,
>
> pero a ver... entendamos qué nos dice Antonio primero. ¿Está objetando
> la acreditación de "Internauta Colombia"?
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
>
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> Desde: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org><mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>>
> [lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>] en nombre de Alberto
> Soto [asoto at ibero-americano.org<mailto:asoto at ibero-americano.org>] Enviado el: miércoles, 24 de
> septiembre de
> 2014
> 16:22
> Hasta: 'Antonio Medina Gómez'; 'LACRALO Español'; 'Humberto Carrasco'
> Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Comunicación de ACUI sobre la solicitud de
> Internauta Colombia
>
> Estimado Antonio, te pido por favor coloques esto en la wiki, a fin de
> seguir el hilo de la misma.
>
> Muchas gracias
>
>
>
> Alberto soto
>
>
>
> De: Antonio Medina Gómez [mailto:amedinagomez at gmail.com<mailto:amedinagomez at gmail.com>] Enviado el:
> miércoles, 24 de septiembre de 2014 02:32 p.m.
> Para: LACRALO Español; Humberto Carrasco; Alberto Soto
> Asunto: Comunicación de ACUI sobre la solicitud de Internauta Colombia
>
>
>
> El 7 de septiembre el Secretario de Lacralo, Humberto Carrasco envio a
> la lista un mensaje denominado "[lac-discuss-es] Consejo Regional
> respecto de solicitud para ALS 209 Internauta Colombia / Regional
> Advice needed ALS Application 209 Internauta Colombia", el cual
> direcciona a lo publicado en el link
> https://community.icann.org/display/LACRALO/Internauta+Colombia
>
>
>
> De la aplicación presentada hemos revisado el siguiente link
> http://internautacolombia.org/web/spip.php?article15
>
>
>
> Transcribo lo siguiente:
>
>
>
>
> Estatutos
>
>
> ACTA DE LA ASAMBLEA DE CONSTITUCIÓN
> DEL
> "INTERNAUTA COLOMBIA, ASOCIACIÓN COLOMBIANA DE USUARIOS DE INTERNET",
> COLOMBIA
>
> En la ciudad de Bogotá, siendo las nueve (9) a.m., del día tres (3),
> del mes de Marzo, del año 2014, se reunieron las personas que mas
> adelante se relacionan en la lista de constituyentes, con el fin de
> constituir el "INTERNAUTA COLOMBIA, ASOCIACIÓN COLOMBIANA DE USUARIOS
> DE INTERNET", COLOMBIA, persona jurídica bajo la forma de asociación
> de carácter privado, sin ánimo de lucro.
>
> De acuerdo con lo anterior me permito manifestar a los miembros de
> Lacralo, que la "Asociación Colombiana de Usuarios de Internet" es una
> Marca registrada por la Asociación Colombiana de Usuarios de
> Internet, con sigla ACUI, ante la Superintendencia de Industria y
> Comercio, Entidad Gubernamental en Colombia de proteger los derechos de los consumidores.
> www.sic.gov.co<http://www.sic.gov.co><http://www.sic.gov.co> <http://www.sic.gov.co>
>
> La normatividad al respecto, esta orientada a evitar la utilización de
> nombres que generen competencia o confusiones entre los consumidores,
> que adquieren un producto o servicio, ofrecidos por una organización
> de la cual estaban seguros era la de su total confianza.
>
> Con el propósito de dejar constancia sobre las nuevas organizaciones
> que desean participar en el desarrollo de la región, pero que
> lamentablemente nos pueden afectar, solicito a quienes les
> corresponde, por su cargo, tomar las medidas oportunas y necesarias
> relacionadas con el uso de la marca "Asociación Colombiana de Usuarios de Internet".
>
> Quiero agregar que:
>
> En Colombia las entidades deben cumplir con unos trámites de carácter
> normativo y legal que deben realizar rigurosamente:
>
> Registro ante la Cámara de Comercio de su jurisdicción, que imagino es
> este caso en particular se debe realizar en la CCB de la ciudad de
> Bogotá
>
> Registro ante la DIAN para efectos tributarios
>
> Obtener el Registro Unico Tributario y el NIT
>
> Inscripción ante la autoridad respectiva para su vigilancia y control.
>
> Con el propósito de hacer seguimiento a la solicitud de Internauta
> Colombia solicitamos en varias oportunidades a la Cámara de Comercio
> de Bogotá el respectivo certificado de existencia y representación
> legal de esta organización y no aparece ningún registro en la Cámara
> de Comercio de Bogotá de la organización Internauta Colombia, la cual
> esta presentando aplicación para ser parte de las ALS acreditadas en
> Lacralo.
>
> Agradezco a ustedes sus comentarios al respecto y dejo constancia, con
> el propósito de construir confianza en Lacralo, basadas en el respeto,
> elemento esencial que hace parte de la transparencia que defendemos.
>
> Respecto a la solicitud de Internauta Colombia, le corresponde a las
> instancias correspondientes evaluar esta información para evaluar y
> dar trámite normal a la solicitud presentada.
>
> Atentamente,
>
>
>
> Antonio Medina Gómez
>
> Presidente
>
> Asociación Colombiana de Usuarios de Internet, ACUI
>
> presidencia at acui.co<mailto:presidencia at acui.co><mailto:presidencia at acui.co<mailto:presidencia at acui.co>> <mailto:presidencia at acui.co<mailto:presidencia at acui.co>>
>
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>
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>
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