[lac-discuss-en] Second representative
vanda at uol.com.br
vanda at uol.com.br
Thu Sep 11 17:54:48 UTC 2014
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Subject: Re: Second representative
From: vanda at uol.com.br
I think where there are clear local person in ICANN a function of its
work can participate: as a direct representative of the government, as
representative interest of an economic agent is an entity for purposes
profit or not, as in the example pro GNSO. There is also space Ai APRA
intellectual property experts. No discrimination if it is a
government agency or is an IPO.
On the other side is At Large has the intention to aggravate that
seeking the inclusion of the user in Internet issues. To estes
must be nonprofit organizations with a focus on defense
the interests of users, but not if intended to be governments nin
t = visen get gain in activity.
So I think I'm more in the line of Fatima. A government agency
focada intellectual property has focused on the defense of s \\ the
Internet users.I personally and was president of the agency
brasilea IP and have certainty that nothing had in
account internet users and colleagues that now either ESTN
have focused on Internet users.
Vanda Scartezini
Polo Consultores Associados
Av. Paulista 1159, 1004 cj
01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil
Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253
Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464
On 11/09/14 11:18, "Vera Carlos Quintana" <cveraq at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear all: On these issues must be handled pragmtico mode and
> Also attached to law.
>
> One. Many representatives in this and other groups, are professional
> To the "voluntary" they find themselves in an input
> Professional and additionally receive payment for their work in the aquo
> Commissions for projects they undertake, either directly
> (Projects, professional salaries, professional fees, etc.) or
> Indirect (added value to their own professions).Thus the
> "Volunteering" as such exists only working for that
> Experience in working groups and committees are compensated
> Professionally directly or indirectly. The user interest is
> Real but secondary and have almost exclusive dedication to these issues
> As it is part of your job or profession.
>
> 2. Others are direct volunteer ms and not live this either directly
> Or indirectly. It is not listed in our currculos "voluntary
> ALS "and therefore this activity does not pay us OF ANY way. The
> User interest here is primary. In this case our
> Participacina often is not as intense, constant or deep as
> The first because we must, besides the volunteer time,
> Work to survive and volunteering does not add value to what we
> We do professionally.
>
> 3. Law: If any member sb ALS at some point had a
> Potential conflict of interest or that analyzed deberser IN
> ALS THAT TIME and take decision on whether it continues or delegate
> Not their role to that particular situation.That estel substitute
> You too. Ie no one may be denied participation for something
> Potential for CAN. At a meeting where one member can
> Have a conflict and especfico given subject, and declares
> Fails to participate or delegates its participaciny is the fact that
> Is.
>
> 4. The argument that an institution be official CAN
> Represent a conflict is irrelevant to the delegate actuacin
> Per. If a dispute arises at some point it analizarY
> THEY tomarn the decision concerned.
>
> Carlos Vera Quintana
> 0988141143
> Sguemecveraq
>
The >> 11/09/2014, at 8:28, Fatima Cambronero
>> <fatimacambronero at gmail.com> I wrote:
>>
Sergio >>,
>>
I >> ledo absurd comments but the fact that this beats any
Of >>
Type >>.
>> Working for the government, you are employee or public official, the
Government >> pay you the salary every month is directly one
Conflict >>
Interest >> when to defend the interests of users. The
Want >>
Justify >> whatever you want to justify.
>> Addition in the case of Maritza works for a government agency that
Is >>
>> Dedicated to intellectual property. Let's take a fictitious example, a
X >> domain name hosted by the government of Peru to become
Trademark >> to quintereses you think is going to represent and
Defend >>
INDECOPI >>?
>> In the event that a government employee (employee or official)
Wants >>
>> Represent the interests of users, it is a conflict, acy in
>> Anywhere in the world. We have similar situations LACRALO?
S >>.
We >> mechanisms to decertify these ALS? S. I do not want
>> Do something else.
In addition >> be important that you carefully read my post.My
Preocupacin >>
Estdirigida >> to ensure them a proper AUI representacina Per,
That s >>
Jhonny temporarily >> not be able to exercise that my representaciny
>> Comment was directed to seek out another person who has
Conflicts >> to ensure their votes within LACRALO. That was the same
Conversation I had >> privately with Maritza.
Furthermore >> it will be important to inform yourself properly before
>> Attacks against my person, which in addition have nothing to do.
I >>
I >> am not an employee of the National University of Córdoba and government
Argentina >> (stenemos in LACRALO government employees Argentina).
I >>
I will >> teach the Faculty of Law as Professor UNC
Invited >>, I do voluntarily without receiving ningn salary or
Remuneracin >> or awards or anything. I do it because I like teaching and
Because >> as I do in At-Large, is part of the decision that I have taken
Of >>
Volunteer work >> personal convictions.
Asque >> please, focus properly on the issue I have raised and
No >>
HACS >> do as always, to divert attention on matters not
>> Have nothing to do with the substance estconversando.
Also >> be nice to see a little more of corporatism when
Policies and statements discuss >> That Serams productive for LACRALO.
I regret that vote >> AUI Per become nonexistent with the new
Representation >> they have chosen.
I deeply wish >> to attack to defend rule does not become
In >>
This thread >> or LACRALO.
>>
Fatima Cambronero >>
>>
The >> 11 September 2014 10:06, Sergio Salinas Porto <
Presidencia at internauta.org.ar >>> wrote:
>>
Fatima >>> Dear, I'm sorry to disagree with you.
I think >>> you enter into a proper big mistake of a freshly started.
One thing to be >>> public officials, and other public be employed.
With >>> the criteria many of these marking / companions of the
LACRALO >>>
Members >>> should be left as it is so, many
Desempean >>>
>>> Public universities as teachers (not you too?), Or are
Employees >>>
>>> Of justice, or municipal departments or employees
Provincial >>>.
Students >>> a pblica college (could get to hang your note
Of >>>
Vote on >>> what Lacralo?), Etc.
Conflict >>> itself is located somewhere public official with deciciones
Governmental >>> or not.
>>> Have not seen any manifestation yours, even when you proposed
For >>>
ALAC Member >>> be on your conflict of interest when you persibas
Money >>>
National government >>> (which is where funds come from education in
Argentina >>>) where faculty from the National University of crdoba.
>>> To be clear and not bad intemplete: I think that there is no
>>> Conflict of interest with respect to you or with respect to
Maritza >>>.
Hug >>> dear fatima!
>>> On Sep 11, 2014 1:16 a.m., "Fatima Cambronero" <
Fatimacambronero at gmail.com >>>> wrote:
>>>
Johnny >>>> all / os,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> First let me apologize for the delay in answering this
>>>> Thread
>>>> Post. I was traveling and hard to follow all the
>>>> Conversations.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then I would like to make two comments on this issue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The ability to nominate two contacts per ALS (primary one
>>>> With
>>>> Voting and a secondary contact without voting rights) are
Find >>>>
>>>> Force since the very beginning of LACRALO. You can check our
Operating Principles >>>> force here, in # 4:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/2264378/Principios%252
>>>> 0Operativos% 2520de 2520LACRALO%%% 2520la 2520Rev1 2520-%%% 2520.pdf 2520ES? Ve
>>>> Rsion = 1 & modificationDate = 1283972736000 & api = v2
>>>>
>>>>
Link >>>> cut: http://goo.gl/Mrnk8f
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Secondly, for making the request ests
Johnny >>>> of
>>>> Designate Maritza Agero Miano as secondary contact (so you say
>>>> In
>>>> Your first paragraph shall mail) or as primary contact with the right to
Vote >>>>
>>>> (So you say in the second paragraph of your email) Per AUI, would
>>>> Manifest a preocupacin about it. Before that, I liked
Clarify >>>>
>>>> I've had a conversation in private with Maritza this
>>>> Subject,
Quin >>>> know personally the ICANN Fellowship Program and
Course >>>>
>>>> ISOC Next Generation Leaders Moderator of which I am the expert,
>>>> About whom I have no personal conflict ningn and with whom I
Binds >>>>
>>>> Even a friendship.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
Maritza >>>> works for INDECOPI, National Institute for Defense
>>>> Competition and Protection of Intellectual Property, which is the
>>>> Peruvian government agency responsible for Intellectual Property.
Link >>>>
>>>> To your website: http://www.indecopi.gob.pe/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
Although >>>> INDECOPI deal with the defense of the rights of
>>>> Consumers (please corrjanme it if I'm wrong), is ultimately a
>>>> Government agency. The Peruvian government is the one paying all
>>>> Months her
>>>> Salary.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My preocupacin is therefore to be the primary contact
AUI >>>>
Per >>>> voting a person who is employed by the government
>>>> Per,
>>>> In the event of a conflict between the interests of
>>>> Users
>>>> Internet (regional, though mostly local) and the government
Peruvian >>>> is Maritza will be putting in a situation of conflict
>>>> Of
>>>> Interest, and shall depart to represent users
Internet >>>>
>>>> Of
Per >>>> and abstain from voting as a delegate of his ALS. In that case,
Estaramos >>>>
>>>> Becoming nonexistent the representation of the ALS. In my opinion,
>>>> Is
>>>> May participate in the discussions as secondary contact, but
>>>> Time of the vote, with the primary contact, MUST abstain
Losing >>>>
>>>> The right it all accredited ALS.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Therefore, I would like to ask the Johnny Maritza
Possibility >>>>
Review this modification >>>> primary contact with voting
AUI >>>>
Per >>>> to ensure that their participation is truly effective in
>>>> LACRALO and At-Large in general, representation of interests
>>>> Of
>>>> The
>>>> Internet end users.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I remain at your disposal to assist you in what is
>>>> Within
>>>> My chances.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
Fatima Cambronero >>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On September 2, 2014, 11:37 am, Johnny Laureano <jlaureano at aui.pe>
>>>> I wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Alberto,
>>>>>
In principle >>>>> to congratulate this initiative, it seems very healthy
What >>>>>
ALS >>>>> delegate or credited to a second representative. In this
>>>> Sense
Miss >>>>> present. Attorney Maritza Agero Miano as a second
PERU AUI >>>>> representative for the purposes of representation to
LACRALO >>>>
>>>>> And ICANN.
>>>>>
>>>>> In this sense, in my condition of President and Owner
Accredited >>>>
>>>>> AUI PERU, by this request is granted the
Voting >>>>> credentials in representation of our organization
>>>>> In LACRALO.
>>>>>
>>>>> I appreciate the attention to this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
Johnny Laureano >>>>>
>>>>> Pres. AUI PERU
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On September 1, 2014, 14:20, Alberto Soto <alberto at soto.net.ar>
>>>>> I wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear, according to our standards every ALS can have two
>>>> Representatives.
>>>>>> One is who is appointed by it and authorized to
>>>>>> Vote
>>>> And
>>>>> Is
>>>>>> To
>>>>>> Envan who is the appropriate credentials.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But in some organizations, for several reasons the holder may
No >>>>>>
>>>>>> Be
>>>>>> Available at times and you want the other representative
>>>> Has the
>>>>>> Necessary information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is why the ALS who wish, may send the name and
Mail >>>>>
>>>>>> The second representative to add lists of emails
>>>>>> LACRALO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Permanecerpara always the designated Voting timely,
>>>>>> Up
What >>>>>
>>>>>> ALS officially report a change.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
Best regards >>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alberto Soto
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>> -
* >>>> * Fatima Cambronero
Attorney-Argentina >>>>
>>>>
>>>> Phone: +54 9351 5282 668
>>>> Twitter:facambronero
>>>> Skype: fatima.cambronero
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* >> * Fatima Cambronero
Attorney-Argentina >>
>>
>> Phone: +54 9351 5282 668
>> Twitter:facambronero
Skype >>: fatima.cambronero
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