[lac-discuss-en] We agree with Sergio Salinas

vanda at uol.com.br vanda at uol.com.br
Fri Aug 15 15:18:58 UTC 2014


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 Subject: Re: We agree with Sergio Salinas 
 From: vanda at uol.com.br

 Exactly what I said in the Wiki and yesterday headed to colleagues. 
 Here in Brazil we .bb.br over 4 -5 years ago, without any 
 issue. If there are ccTLDs and gTLDs with this alternative does not seem right 
 not admit that the new also do so. 
 Hugs all q 
 Vanda Scartezini 
 Polo Consultores Associados 
 Av. Paulista 1159, 1004 cj 
 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil 
 Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 
 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 














 On 8/14/14, 19:37, &quot;Alejandro Pisanty&quot; <apisanty at gmail.com> wrote: 
 > Sergio, 
 > 
 > At the risk of not being understood or not I explain: 
 > 
 > So what you're saying is that you do not agree with two gTLDs 
 > Characters, as they could be .aa, .ab, .ac, etc.
 > 
 > That is not up for discussion right now. 
 > 
 > What is being discussed is whether to authorize or two names 
 > Characters in the second level of some of the new gTLDs as .globo. 
 > Continuing with this example being of our region, they would like 
 > Aa.tld, ie aa.globo, ab.globo, ac.globo. 
 > 
 > Do you have any problems with ar.globo, br.globo, co.globo, cr.globo, 
 > Mx.globo, pe.globo, ve.globo, etc.? (In these examples I'm getting 
 > Combinations of two identical characters ccTLDs currently 
 > ISO 3166). 
 > 
 > I still: do you have a problem with fk.globo? 
 > 
 > I still more: imagine - no jump for the political issue - one day 
 > The Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela changes to ISO 3166 .ve .bv. 
 > Do you have a problem with that now authorizes the existence of bv.globo 
 > And when change happens the name is no longer available?
 > 
 > Alejandro Pisanty 
 > 
 > 
 > 8/14/2014 17:15 GMT-05: 00 Sergio Salinas Porto &lt; 
 > Presidencia at internauta.org.ar&gt;: 
 > 
 I assumed that it &gt;&gt; would not understand: What I say is that plain and simple 
 Do not &gt;&gt; 
 I agree &gt;&gt; with NgTLD two characters because it can cause 
 User &gt;&gt; confusion. I added (and now if I speak of ccTLD) that 
 Besides &gt;&gt; 
 >> Is a list of the ISO 3166 alpha-2 -1 indicates a series of 
 >> Combinations of letters that are intended for ccTLD (some 
 Used &gt;&gt; others not) and that list should be respected and not be 
 >> Used for purposes other than for which it was created. 
 This &gt;&gt; more clear now?
 >> 
 * Sergio Salinas Porto &gt;&gt; 
 Argentina President Internauta &gt;&gt; 
 Argentina &gt;&gt; Internet Users Association 
 >> <http://www.internauta.org.ar> / CTA <http://ctamdq.org.ar>
 FLUI &gt;&gt; American Federation of Internet Users 
 >> <http://www.fuilatin.org>
 Facebook &gt;&gt;: I salinasporto <http://www.facebook.com/salinasporto> &amp; 
 SergiosalinasII &gt;&gt; <http://www.facebook.com/sergiosalinasII>
 Twitter &gt;&gt;: sergiosalinas <http://twitter.com/sergiosalinas>
 Google+ &gt;&gt; Sergio Salinas Porto 
 >> &lt;  https://plus.google.com/104639152443153592254/posts> 
 Hangout &gt;&gt;: presidencia at internauta.org.ar 
 >> <Hangout%3Apresidencia at internauta.org.ar> / 
 Pixelhub &gt;&gt;: I salinasporto <http://pixelhub.me/salinasporto>
 Youtube &gt;&gt;: I salinasporto <http://www.youtube.com/salinasporto>
 Skype &gt;&gt;: internautaargentina 
 Mobi &gt;&gt;: +54 9 223 5 215819 * 
 >> 
 * &gt;&gt; &quot;Hopefully we can be disobedient, whenever we received orders 
 >> Humiliate our conscience or violate our common sense &quot;Eduardo 
 Galeano * &gt;&gt; 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> 
 The &gt;&gt; August 14, 2014, 19:20, Dr.Alejandro Pisanty Baruch &lt; 
 Apisan at unam.mx &gt;&gt; 
 >>> Wrote: 
 >> 
 >>> Sergio, 
 >>> 
 >>> Said everything you say, it seems that this position confirms the reading 
 Of &gt;&gt; 
 >>> Vanda (which I share): 
 >>> 
 >>> What you say and supports Christian Casas seems to refer to FIRST 
 LEVEL &gt;&gt; at 
 >>> GTLD. 
 >>> 
 >>> The ongoing debate concerns the second level ** **, something kind 
 Aa.tld &gt;&gt;, 
 >>> Where aa is any combination of two letters. 
 >>> 
 >>> Can you confirm or deny it explicitly? 
 >>> 
 >>> Alejandro Pisanty 
 >>> 
 >>> 
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 >>> ________________________________________ 
 >>> From: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [ 
 >>> Lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Sergio 
 >>> Salinas Porto [presidencia at internauta.org.ar] 
 >>> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 17:03 
 >>> To: Vanda Scartezini 
 >>> CC: Cristian Hernan Casas; LACRALO Spanish 
 >>> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] We agree with Sergio Salinas 
 >>> 
 >>> Dear Vanda: 
 >>> I'll try to be clear, anyone know (by knowledge or 
 By &gt;&gt; 
 >>> Usual) that two characters are used to demarcate the ccTLD. 
 >>> ICANN Many times (not always tell), are discussing what 
 That &gt;&gt; 
 >>> Want to do business, maybe it's time to start thinking about 
 How come &gt;&gt; 
 >>> These changes would impact on end users.
 >>> We, the end users, who usually know (except 
 Rare &gt;&gt; 
 >>> Exceptions, which you name in your example) are three gTLDs 
 Or &gt;&gt; 
 More &gt;&gt; 
 >>> Characters and two-character ccTLD, 
 >>> A ccTLD default allows us to know which law governs users 
 About &gt;&gt; 
 >>> These domains, in terms of rights and obligations and gives us some 
 Type &gt;&gt; 
 Of &gt;&gt; 
 >>> Quiet as to how to manage with regard to this as 
 >>> Recognize to be clear rules. 
 >>> The use of two characters in a NgTLD may cause some 
 >> Kind of 
 >>> Confusion about this and put an &quot;uncomfortable&quot; place (to call 
 >>> Somehow) to Internet users. 
 >>> Table of ISO 3166? 2 -1 indicates that there are certain 
 Characters &gt;&gt; 
 >>> That were not used yet, but I believe these can be 
 >>> Used by countries or new territories at some point and not 
 Should &gt;&gt; 
 >>> Be delivered to anyone.
 >>> Always remember has changed the world as after the fall of 
 Wall and &gt;&gt; 
 >>> As before and also have changed the map of the world, what I 
 I studied &gt;&gt; 
 >>> When I was a child is no longer the case and I have seen how countries 
 Called &gt;&gt; 
 Of &gt;&gt; 
 >>> Now call a form from another or other countries that formed today 
 Are &gt;&gt; 
 >>> Separate and distinct called, so that the table and further 
 Two &gt;&gt; 
 >>> Characters must be preserved for what it was created: a standard 
 >>> International that provides codes for the names of countries and 
 Other &gt;&gt; 
 >>> Administrative units to define domain names 
 Level &gt;&gt; 
 >>> Geographic superior and not to do business some entrepreneurs 
 With &gt;&gt; 
 >>> A little money in their pockets. 
 >>> I'm clear ... although this is quite complex.
 >>> A dear friend hug 
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>> * Sergio Salinas Porto 
 >>> President Internauta Argentina 
 >>> Argentina Association of Internet Users 
 >>> <http://www.internauta.org.ar> / CTA <http://ctamdq.org.ar>
 >>> FLUI American Federation of Internet Users 
 >>> <http://www.fuilatin.org>
 >>> Facebook: I salinasporto <http://www.facebook.com/salinasporto> &amp; 
 >>> SergiosalinasII <http://www.facebook.com/sergiosalinasII>
 >>> Twitter: sergiosalinas <http://twitter.com/sergiosalinas>
 >>> Google+: Sergio Salinas Porto 
 >>> &lt;  https://plus.google.com/104639152443153592254/posts> 
 >>> Hangout: presidencia at internauta.org.ar 
 >>> <Hangout%3Apresidencia at internauta.org.ar> / 
 >>> Pixelhub: I salinasporto <http://pixelhub.me/salinasporto>
 >>> Youtube: I salinasporto <http://www.youtube.com/salinasporto>
 >>> Skype: internautaargentina 
 >>> Mobi: +54 9 223 5 215819 * 
 >>> 
 >>> * &quot;We hope we can be disobedient, whenever we received orders 
 >>> Humiliate our conscience or violate our common sense &quot;Eduardo 
 >>> Galeano * 
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>> On August 14, 2014, 18:26, Vanda Scartezini <vanda at uol.com.br>
 >>> Wrote: 
 >>> 
 >>>> Let me understand. We're talking about according to their names 
 >> Domain. 
 >>>> CcTLDs and gTLDs and others are using. As here in Brazil 
 >> There are, 
 >>>> For example: @ .... bb.br for banks in Brazil. I do not think 
 >>> Allow 
 >>>> Others with relevant negotiations with the owner of the two 
 >>>> Characters, be different do that already occurs.To deny is to have a 
 Treatment &gt;&gt; 
 >>>> Miscellaneous in will market who dispute the same market, 
 That &gt;&gt; 
 Do not &gt;&gt; 
 >>>> Seems fair. 
 >>>> To me this is not the same as having .amazon or .patagonia and if 
 What &gt;&gt; 
 >>>> Same as having - and we or even our countries answered 
 >> - 
 >>>> Amazon.com or patagonia.com 
 >>>> It's a matter of being fair and have the same rule to all. Or 
 My &gt;&gt; 
 See &gt;&gt; 
 >>>> Obrigamos all who already use 2 characters ascii cancel 
 These &gt;&gt; 
 >>>> Names by level. 
 >>>> Appreciate if I am convinced of the contrary 
 >>>> Hugs 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Vanda Scartezini 
 >>>> Polo Consultores Associados 
 >>>> Av.Paulista 1159, 1004 cj 
 >>>> 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil 
 >>>> Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 
 >>>> Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> On 8/12/14, 13:23, &quot;Cristian Casas&quot; <cristiancasas at hotmail.com>
 >> Wrote: 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> We agree with Sergio Salinas Porto especially the suggestion 
 That &gt;&gt; 
 >>> The 
 >>>>> Vote is negative because on this and other topics 
 >>>>> Like we have stated several organizations LACRALO 
 With &gt;&gt; 
 >>>>> Regarding its relation ngtld and country codes or regions 
 >>>>> Geographical (cases. Patagonia .amazonas, .cba.y attached for the 
 Dispute &gt;&gt; 
 >>> By 
 >>>>> Misuse of the list of ISO 3166-MA in the case and .gs .fk).
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> Cristian Homes 
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