[lac-discuss-en] RES: LACRALO ELECTIONS

alberto at soto.net.ar alberto at soto.net.ar
Sat Mar 9 01:12:13 UTC 2013


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 Subject: Re: RES: LACRALO ELECTIONS 
 From: alberto at soto.net.ar

 Sorry, if they do that, they must modify the procedures for 
 prximas elections, and not proceed to insist forgiveness, according to occur to 
 someone. 


 Alberto Soto 


 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org 
 [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On behalf of Dr. 
 Alejandro Pisanty Baruch 
 Posted on: Friday, March 8, 2013 10:04 pm 
 To: Alberto Soto, 'Johnny Laureano', 'William M. Zamora - Lawyer ' 
 CC: 'ICANN At-Large Staff'; lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org 
 Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] RES: LACRALO ELECTIONS 


 Alberto, 


 I think Johnny Laureano proposal has been formulated in good faith and 
 meeting Incorrect use the phrase "you can think of."


 I think the policy is clear violacina to demarcate not JosArce its 
 conflicts of interest in an election not competitive, ie to not separate 
 from your organization before applying. 


 I am aware that your postulaciny tapoyaste hope, 
 especially so, share the idea clearly expressed by Johnny 
 much more diplomacy than me, for in addition to gain legitimacy 
 legality. We have to solve questions already formul practices such as 
 content of the ballot to determine the manner of voting options. 


 Watch for in addition to the effect of rendicin accounts to be produced 
 reeleccin a proposal to have a clear basis in the planeacin of 
 LACRALO activities in the following year. There can be little doubt 
 the choice of which impact on the planeacin tendrun. 


 Alejandro Pisanty 




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 ________________________________________ 
 From: Alberto Soto [alberto at soto.net.ar] Sent: Friday, March 8 
 2013 18:43 
 To: 'Johnny Laureano'; Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch, 'William M. Zamora 
 - Advocate ' 
 CC: 'ICANN At-Large Staff'; lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org 
 Subject: RE: [lac-discuss-es] RES: LACRALO ELECTIONS 


 I do not agree at all on changing the electoral process. Will 
 make it illegal. And we can not really ever you can think of someone, 
 aside procedures. 
 The same estde according to current standards.If someone does not anot, 
 is your problem, and in turn is a demonstration that does not really 
 interested in this process, or during the PERIOD distrado was open and already 
 closed., which also will not be eligible to run. 
 I thought that such attacks, citing violations of the policy, not 
 ms in LACRALO never happen, others shame me. 


 Alberto Soto 






 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org 
 [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Johnny 
 Laureano Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 8:15 pm 
 To: Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch, William M. Zamora - Lawyer 
 CC: ICANN At-Large Staff; lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org 
 Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] RES: LACRALO ELECTIONS 


 Dear companions LACRALO, ICANN Staff, 


 It's hard to ignore the comments regarding the legitimacy of this 
 election process, reminds me that there has been before and what 
 these processes are painful for everyone.


 Therefore, if possible, be appropriate for one week aperturar 
 Registration of candidates for this election process and form a committee 
 election, such as proposed by Dr. Pisanty, it seems sensible and 
 reasonable. 


 An opening of these two actions, would advance the legitimacy of 
 results. 




 Johnny Laureano 
 AUI PERU - ALS 








 --- On Fri, 03/08/13, William M. Zamora - Lawyer <gmzamora at gmail.com>
 wrote: 




 From: William M. Zamora - Lawyer <gmzamora at gmail.com>
 Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] RES: LACRALO ELECTIONS 
 To: &quot;Dr. Baruch Alejandro Pisanty&quot; <apisan at unam.mx>
 Cc: &quot;lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org&quot; 
<lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org> , &quot;ICANN At-Large Staff&quot; 
<staff at atlarge.icann.org>
 Date: Friday, March 8, 2013, 4:58 PM 




 Dr. Pisanty:


 Quizs misspoke and told me something I did not mean, but do not think I 
 Indeed, at no time defenda Jos, nor defendnada, the only thing that 
 express and I reiterate, it is my personal discomfort the terms used, 
 if something defendfue clarity of the terms used, charge Joso 
 otherwise, an people not to my liking of lack of transparency, 
 I do not think it's something that is right or condiga with good standards 
 coexistence. - I mean, I reiterate and argue that if one believes that there is something wrong, 
 strange, illicit, or maladjusted to the rules, you should report it and seek its 
 aclaracin. -


 One can have a thousand questions but they do not trump the certainties, 
 To cite an example very sencllo and close in time, I was a fervent 
 precursor to object. patagonia, however at large said no, that does not 
 had reason I could think of many adjectives for 
 representative and we had absolutely nothing inaccin to hear, however, 
 as I have the certainty that someone has been a corrupt and has 
 received anything in return for doing nothing, rather shut my mouth, which 
 if I'm going to do is try to promote future what needs to be promoted for 
 this does not happen again, y'know? 


 Joses large, adult, professional and family man, sabrque 
 say or not say, what I am saying is that it comes very easy, but not 
 proves nothing. no need to talk about lack of transparency, or suggest 
 when there is nothing more than personal opinion sb. - 


 Atte 


 William M. Zamora 
 ADIAr 


 On March 8, 2013 18:28, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch 
<apisan at unam.mx> wrote
 > William, Sergio, 
 > 
 > Qubueno to manifest. Qubueno defenders left him 
 > Jos. You believe they can not only clarify the situation l? 
 > 
 > A President and is presented in a unique candidate 
 > Eleccin who performed under his direction ... not awake 
 > Some questions? 
 > 
 > And no, not talking about suspicions or illegalities. I talk about policy. To the 
 > Less may have formed an Independent Electoral Commission 
 > Carrying out the electoral process in the part that touches the 
 > Community, and certainly it's to prepare and conduct the sesin of 
 > Discusin with that candidate. 
 > 
 > How will be the ballot for president? Slo be 
 > Be able to vote and abstain? is going to be an option to vote in 
 > Against? 
 > 
 > In these respects we are entering an election without rules set 
 > With anticipaciny operated by the candidates themselves.
 > 
 > An election with option of reeleccin should become a 
 > Rendicin occasion of accountability and what we are seeing is routed 
 > Ms well to evade it. 
 > 
 > It is not the case in ste secrete. Sylvia has done an effective job 
 > And efficient and faces competition. Also I think it should 
 > Away from the organization of the electoral process, but since there 
 > Competition, also rendircuentas its work in this regard. 
 > 
 > To dispel any doubt left in them, I just went through a process 
 > Another similar organization that has cost the job but has 
 > Managed to separate the possible interests of the &quot;incumbents&quot; with those of 
 > The &quot;successors&quot;. The estdisponible information for those who have 
 > Interest in the details. 
 > 
 > Alejandro Pisanty 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
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>   ------------------------------
> *Desde:* Guillermo M. Zamora - Abogado [gmzamora at gmail.com]  *Enviado
>el:* viernes, 08 de marzo de 2013 15:02
> *Hasta:* Presidencia Internauta
> *CC:* Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch; ICANN At-Large Staff; 
>lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> *Asunto:* Re: [lac-discuss-es] RES: LACRALO ELECCIONES
>
>  Estimados:
>
> Coincido con Sergio, me parece, totalmente ofensivo y desubicado el 
> comentario del Dr. Pisanty.-
>
> Le pediría que en nombre de la "transparencia" que pregona sea 
> transparente en sus palabras.-
>
> Si considera que hubo algún tipo de conducta ilicita haga las 
> denuncias correspondientes y active los mecanismos que deban ser 
> activados, en su defecto lo dice el dicho: "mejor callar y parecer 
> sencillo de opiniones que hablar y demostralo", el dicho no es así 
> pero no quiero convertirme en lo que critico.-
>
> Atte
>
> Guillermo M. Zamora
> ADIAr
>
> El 8 de marzo de 2013 17:44, Presidencia Internauta < 
> presidencia at internauta.org.ar> escribió:
>
>> Alejandro, perdon pero no entiendo, quizas me perdí de algo. Cual es 
>> el problema? No hubo otro candidato a presidente que Jose Arce y se 
>> presentaron dos a ocupar la secretaría (Sylvia y Lance), no entiendo 
>> eso
>> de: "Hagan un intento para simular transparencia, cuando menos, ya 
>> que no lograron actuar con ella."
>>
>> Saludos Cordiales
>>
>> *Sergio Salinas Porto
>> Presidente Internauta Argentina
>> Asociación Argentina de Usuarios de Internet 
>> <http://www.internauta.org.ar>/CTA <http://www.ctamdq.org.ar>
>> FLUI- Federación Latinoamericana de Usuarios de Internet 
>> <http://www.fuilain.org/> facebook:salinasporto twitter:sergiosalinas 
>> MSN/MSN YAHOO/Talk: salinasporto...
>> Skype:internautaargentina
>>
>> Mobi:+54 9 223 5 215819*
>>
>> *"Ojalá podamos ser desobedientes, cada vez que recibimos órdenes que 
>> humillan nuestra conciencia o violan nuestro sentido común" Eduardo
>> Galeano*
>>
>>
>>
>> El 8 de marzo de 2013 14:41, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch
>> <apisan at unam.mx>escribió:
>>
>> > Sylvia,
>> >
>> > es urgente que Uds. envíen a la lista los nombres de los candidatos 
>> > que solicitaron su registro.
>> >
>> > En particular parece que sólo hay un candidato al cargo de 
>> > Presidente, y es el mismo que está organizando las elecciones.
>> >
>> > Hagan un intento para simular transparencia, cuando menos, ya que 
>> > no lograron actuar con ella.
>> >
>> > Alejandro Pisanty
>> >
>> >
>> > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> >      Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
>> > Facultad de Química UNAM
>> > Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
>> >
>> > +525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475
>> > Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
>> > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
>> > Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
>> > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
>> > ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
>> > .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
>> >
>> > ________________________________________
>> > Desde: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [ 
>> > lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de 
>> > sylvia at internautabrasil.org [sylvia at internautabrasil.org] Enviado
>> > el: viernes, 08 de marzo de 2013 09:18
>> > Hasta: lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>> > CC: 'ICANN At-Large Staff'
>> > Asunto: [lac-discuss-es] RES:  LACRALO ELECCIONES
>> >
>> > Claro que sí, Jackeline.
>> > Ya estábamos trabajando en eso junto al Staff y publicaremos todo 
>> > en la página WIKI de las elecciones.
>> > Saludos
>> > Sylvia
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ___________________________________________________
>> > Sylvia Herlein
>> > sylvia at internautabrasil.org
>> > Secretaria LACRALO-ICANN/ 2012-2013 -  http://atlarge.icann.org 
>> > Secretaria FLUI 2009-2012 sylvia_leite=Skype
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Mensagem original-----
>> > De: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>> > [mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome de 
>> > jam at jacquelinemorris.com Enviada em: viernes, 08 de marzo de 2013
>> > 12:57
>> > Para: lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>> > Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff
>> > Assunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] LACRALO ELECCIONES
>> >
>> >
>> > [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]]
>> >
>> >  Asunto: Re: LACRALO ELECCIONES
>> >  De: jam at jacquelinemorris.com
>> >
>> >  Hola Sylvia
>> >  ¿Se puede obtener una lista de todos los nominados y si es 
>> >posible, un  enlace o un  descripción de las posiciones? Por 
>> >ejemplo, cuáles son las  funciones, roles,  responsabilidades y el 
>> >mandato son el Presidente y la  Secretaría?
>> >  Creo que un recordatorio o, para algunos, un primer punto de 
>> >vista, de
>> lo
>> > que son las posiciones que  votar a favor de la toma de decisiones 
>> >hará  mucho más fácil.
>> >  Gracias
>> >
>> >
>> >  Jacqueline A. Morris
>> >  La tecnología debería ser como el oxígeno: ubicua, necesaria,
>> Invisible y
>> > Gratis. (Después de que Chris Lehmann 
>> > <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann>
>> )
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >  El Viernes, 08 de marzo 2013 a las 6:48 AM, <
>> sylvia at internautabrasil.org>
>> > escribió:
>> >  >
>> > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
>> > >
>> > >  Subject: ELECTIONS LACRALO
>> > >  From: sylvia at internautabrasil.org
>> > >
>> > >  Dear Members of LACRALO
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >  Yesterday at 23:59 UTC terminel nomination period for President 
>> > >/ ae  Secretary / a LACRALO 2013-2014.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 
>> > >https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40928090
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >  And as announced, the next scheduled week we have a conference 
>> > >call  with  nominees (the Staff estorganizando it).
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >  Please enven your questions to the list or the Wiki in the 
>> > >section  comments.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >  Regards
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >  Sylvia
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >  ___________________________________________________
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >  Sylvia Herlein
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > <mailto:sylvia at internautabrasil.org> sylvia at internautabrasil.org
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >  Secretary LACRALO-ICANN / 2012-2013 - <http://atlarge.icann.org> 
>> > >http://atlarge.icann.org
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >  2009-2012 Secretary FLUI
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >  sylvia_leite = Skype
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >  Descrio: Assinatura_Sylvia_Internautabrasil
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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