[lac-discuss-en] =? Iso-8859-1? Q? Nominaci = F3n_LACRALO_renuncia_com? == Iso-8859-1? Q? O_representante_toALAC? =

Fri Aug 24 02:39:32 UTC 2012

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 Subject: Re: =? Iso-8859-1? Q? Nominaci = F3n_LACRALO_renuncia_com? == Iso-8859-1? Q? O_representante_toALAC? = 
 From: asoto at ibero-americano.org

 Roosevelt, never in my life, I had two positions. Quizs in Translation is 
 very bad. 
 Regards 

 Alberto Soto 

 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org 
 [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On behalf of 
 rok at bango.org.bb 
 Posted on: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:45 pm 
 To lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org 
 Subject: Re: LACRALO nominacin toALAC resignation as representative 

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 Subject: Re: LACRALO nominacin toALAC resignation as representative 
 From: rok at bango.org.bb 

 Alberto, 

 Ests dnde Exactly? You estde accordance with the two positions which 
 seems. If I'm reading correctly Fátima is clear that nominacin of 
 Humberto estdentro rules.In addition, if I'm reading correctly, 
 esttratando LACRALO estdiciendo that the majority of use of break 
 rules. 

 A member of this list recordhoy me that it was the same thing 
 some tried to do in the General Assembly in Costa Rica, the use of 
 majority of age to break the rules and have the elections in the 
 General Assembly. This was basically defeated by the Caribbean members, 
 although one minora. 

 These two scenarios establishes a pattern of behavior. I 
 I personally find it disturbing that this behavior is 
 prevail within LACRALO allows for one vote point object 
 circumventing the rules establecidas.Por course, if this vote denies nominacin 
 Humberto, the rules They will have to be re-written to reflect the 
 decisiny with all my might I insist that the rules are 
 amended. 

 No doubt that LACRALO or any RALO can make their rules more 
 ICANN strict rules.If we do not want to ningn representative 
 be outside the region for any length of time, then you can 
 say this and say that too. If Humberto spends 4 months a year in Chile 
 to complete their studies, I'm not sure which is equal to residence 
 outside the region. Asque there is nothing wrong with a vote for change. Without 
 But this effectively change the rules and more than that, change the 
 intent of the rules on this to the point that anyone who 
 have to travel outside the region often or spend months at a time out 
 of the region, can be challenged as a candidate. This is the reaction that 
 will be felt. 

 Trying to change the rule causes the rule fairly reasonable and I dare 
 say, unwanted and engorroso.Me wish to qualify his speech 
 of unjustified attacks and if you mean me, I would like 
 note that in my emails to see unwarranted attacks ... 
 but this mode of trying to sully characters to an illegal act 
 can prevail is to place. 

 Personally, I have said that the President is not only responsible for 
 paper. I said that in Costa Rica and I'll say again, if you check the 
 votes will receive the watch that I abstained because, for me, already 
 had demonstrated their incompetence in Costa Rica. I have no excuses for 
 say. It may be relevant in other areas, but not when it comes 
 to interpret and apply the rules. If the President can not get a 
 meeting agenda beyond 4 hours after which type of chair 
 is that? I guess I'm being disrespectful, but if telling the truth is 
 disrespectful, then always be disrespectful. I by 
 therefore plead guilty with an explanation that the tests 
 carry out what I've been saying is fair comment and I 
 can lead to cross that post ... but do not expect me to be 
 silent and not expect that I will not express its indignation at these 
 attempts to circumvent the rules. 

 South Korea 

 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: asoto at ibero-americano.org 
 Posted on: Wednesday, 22 August 2012 23:39 
 A: lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org 
 Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Waiver LACRALO nomination 
 representative toALAC 

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 Subject: Re: LACRALO nomination resignation as representative of ALAC 
 From: asoto at ibero-americano.org 

 My first comment to FÃ¡tima: decisiny really surprises me is the 
 I deeply regret, because mritos DEV and theirs, tendramos 
 Eleccin Reida and excellent one. I think it's remarkable the first major 
 loss 
 The electoral act. I know and understand, ysque is unwavering. 

 For the rest of the list and the recipients: the loss previously 
 mentioned, we must add another loss, as serious as the first, which 
 says FÃ¡tima and the issue of his resignation: &quot;violating the 
 specifically requests 
 one of our rules of LACRALO. ' 

 You have unread consequences revision of standards, because of their 
 Reviews 
 read the post, and therefore not reviewed at only basndose 
 Direct attacks or irnicas. 

 And I would add something I think anyone commenting and ms 
 the list already: not discuss whether or residence jurdicamente 
 address the requirements of Article 8 is quite logical: the 
 esttodos a place where the DAS, and if not in the region, not 
 Tendrel close and direct contact with users of the Internet, 
 other things, and not necessary required for recycling existirel 
 adequately fulfill the role.

 I urge you to reflect on what has been done. 

 Regards 

 Alberto Soto 

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 From: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org 
 [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] In the name of 
 Fatima 
 Cambronero 
 Posted on: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:16 a.m. 
 A: LACRALO Espaol; Olivier Crpin-Leblond, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, At-Large 
 Personal, Rodrigo de la Parra 
 Subject: [lac-discuss-es] Waiver candidacy as representative 
 LACRALO to ALAC 

 Dear members of LACRALO, 

 I am contacting you in view of recent events 
 occurred in our RALO to inform my decision. 

 As delegates SABRN ALS have received their credentials for 
 vote and make a decision as a region. We must decide whether the 
 cuestin candidate meets the requirements of Rule 8 of our 
 Operating principles, specifically requires the residence 
 main 
 in one of the countries of the region. 

 According view favored the list sent by discusin 
 As President and Legal LACRALO the arguments of many 
 presented in this post, in our Principles basndonos 
 operation 
 LACRALO in the ICANN Bylaws, the laws of the State of California (and 
 reinforced with additional shari'ah), my opinion is that the 
 Rules are clear in terms of both required residence of 
 countries of the region, and also with the media quse 
 residence concept, a concept separate and distinct from the concept of 
 direction. 

 I am convinced that the rules estn achieve. And MSAN when, with 
 jurdicos the number of arguments, the rules are clear. 

 Vote in this case implies that if we all agree (or most) 
 we will decide what specifically requests violate one of our rules 
 LACRALO. 

 Taking the analysis work and respect our rules and present 
 presentnuestro arguments LACRALO President, is a very 
 few were taken and many of the answers to that e 
 electronic 
 full of disrespect and unsubstantiated opinions without 
 jurdicos arguments, which is what should be discussed in this case. 

 I would fully understand this: I will always defend the right 
 to 
 region to govern and decide how the problems that affect us as 
 such. 
 I have worked and will continue to reach a consensus in our 
 region, since it is not possible to decide for most of us.That s, 
 while respecting the principles of operation, our Memorandum of 
 Understanding 
 ICANN and the ICANN Bylaws. 

 In the situation we are living in LACRALO, this is not the case. 

 Let's vote to decide to break the rules. 

 As you all know my background is a lawyer, and I made a promise: 
 respect and enforce the laws (rules, rules, regulations). 

 Therefore, to remain part of the election process, going 
 against my profession, my oath and my principles, is to go 
 against my essence. 

 As I have indicated those who were part of the redaccin 
 our operating principles, the residency requirement (for 
 eg 
 Nationality of representatives) is demanding our Principles 
 Operation RALO to avoid capture by a organizacino by 
 a group of organizations. Unfortunately, it has been. 

 A estcapturado RALO not work in a healthy harmony, is a RALO 
 where delegates from organizations offering work groups, 
 after his lecture and participate in decisions 
 Working Group, is a General Assembly RALO where official 
 promised to deliver his report to the AG, then delivered without

 must be requested by anyone, is a RALO where 
 official 
 respect the duties and functions assigned consultndolo 
 Officials of the other above is a RALO where our 
 representatives discussed policies, we as members are 
 delivering, after treated as a region. 

 It is unfortunate that in our RALO, when you can not destroy 
 positions with arguments, are destroyed by the force of the faults of 
 respect private pressures unsubstantiated opinions. 

 Gentlemen, donkey work or get results. We are like a bucket 
 full of crabs for wanting to stick his head up ms, is 
 head trample each other and, finally, no one leaves the cell. 

 This is not the LACRALO that imagin. 

 For the reasons stated, mainly due to 
 estn this case violated express and clear rules that require our 
 LACRALO Operating Principles, * I decided to quit my candidacy 
 as representative LACRALO to ALAC. * 

 Also take the opportunity to inform and notify my 
 the silence and lack of activity in the next few das because I will 
 be 
 quirrgica intervencin order to stay off. 

 Best regards, 

 Fatima Cambronero 

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 * Fatima Cambronero * 
 Fiscal Argentina 

 Phone: +54 9351 5282 668 
 Twitter: @ facambronero 
 Skype: fatima.cambronero 

 * Join the discussions LACRALO / ICANN: * 
 https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es 

 * Join the discussions of Diplo Internet Governance Community: * 
 http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/ 

 * Join the Internet Society (ISOC): * 
 http://www.internetsociety.org/ 
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