[lac-discuss-en] Final Consideration - Member of ALAC Election(Part 2)

Fri Aug 17 02:36:27 UTC 2012

Hi Jacqueline,

My Humble apologies. This is really too painful to bear. I think I will 
excuse myself. Furthermore, I am disagreeing with Carlton that the Chair has 
a right to interpret rules carte blanche. The authority for interpretation 
of rules rests in the general body of any organisation and not in the 
Chairman. The Chair does not have the authority to send the general body 
asunder then for individual members to be petitioning against a ruling.

If there is division about the interpretation, then the question should be 
put to the general body. There is no reason for the chair to stick his neck 
out like this. Those who feel that Humberto can do a good job from where he 
is should be able to vote for him. Those who don't can vote for somebody 
else. Simple. If Humberto is allowed to vote, which influences the decisions 
of LACRALO, I don't see how you can exclude him from being nominated. This 
is one factor that deems him eligible over all other factors.

ROK

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jacqueline Morris
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 8:30 AM
To: Webmaster
Cc: lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Final Consideration - Member of ALAC 
Election(Part 2)

Hi Roosevelt
Jose Arce is the elected Chair of LACRALO and the position deserves
to be spoken to with some level of respect. There is no need to be so
rude and disrespectful in your communications. I'm sure you can get
your point across in a more moderate way..
We are all volunteers here to be do work, and we need respectful 
communication.

Jacqueline A. Morris
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Free. (after Chris Lehmann )

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:23 AM, Webmaster <rok at bango.org.bb> wrote:
> Jose Arch,
>
> You are out of order. If LACRALO is to decide this then all the members 
> must
> vote. You cannot single-handedly declare Humberto not meet the 
> requirements
> when he does. You said it. His home is in Chile not UK and therefore his
> place of residence is in Chile not UK. He is merely staying in the UK for 
> a
> while.
>
> What are we in here? A dictatorship? What qualifies you to make such a
> pronouncement? Are you a judge in a case. This is a simple matter of 
> opinion
> and you stated your opinion. In law you are ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT. Apart 
> from
> dictionary meaning you must also go back to the transcripts, notes and any
> documents of the meeting to try to ascertain what was the intention of the
> meeting that made the decision. You have not done this in your 
> pronouncement
> and this makes your purported judgment flawed.
>
> Getting really tired of this nonsense. A chairman that does not understand
> his role.
>
> ROK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: josefranciscoarce at gmail.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:09 PM
> To: lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Final Consideration - Member of ALAC 
> Election(Part
> 2)
>
>
> [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
>
> Subject: Final Consideration - Member of ALAC Election (Part 2)
> From: josefranciscoarce at gmail.com
>
> It confuses two concepts: principal residence and domicile, the
> legislaciny Chilean jurisprudence have clarified and demarcated
> time.
>
>
> The * Art 59 of the Civil code defines * Chile * address * (not the
> residence) and defines residence as one of the components
> the home. The other elements of the home is the minimum of
> remain there (in residence).
>
>
> * The home is the residence, accompanied, real or
> presumably, the minimum to stay in it. Divdese in politician and
> civil. *
>
>
> *
> *
>
>
> * The case of the Chilean Supreme Court * (C Supreme December 24
> 1962, R, t 59, section 1, p 478) has discussed this topic.See
> Pgina 231:
>
> stating:
>
>
> *
> *
>
>
> * 1. Domicile, residence, habitacin, purple. *
>
>
> * A) You can not confuse the elements of domicile and residence, the
> first, which according to the civil code is the residence acompaada
> the actual or presumptive minimum to stay in it, is a
> jurdica valoracin defined by law Seala elements. In
> however, a mere matter of residence de facto relationship, in the absence
> of legal definition, must be understood as natural and obvious meaning of
> word, as acciny effect of residence, ie the fact of being of
> seat in a particular location. *
>
>
> * In C Conception, April 28, 1964, R, t 61, sec 4, pg. 289 has
> pronounced setting: *
>
>
> * B) Civil Law, is the seat jurdico address of a person, and
> habitacin residence and are in fact a link between the person and the
> where she lives, ordinary or accidentally. *
>
>
> *
> *
>
>
> * 2) United Kingdom tax sharee'ah *
>
>
> The sharee'ah which is responsible for regulating the tax issue in the
> United Kingdom
> (Of which Scotland is a part) is also expressed in clear and 
> distinguishing
> between home and residence.
>
>
> On the residence provides:
>
>
> UK residence * 2.2 *
>
>
> * There are Many Different Factors Which will determine Whether you are
> resident in the UK. With one exception (Explained in the next paragraph),
> it is not simply a question of the number of days you are Physically
> present in the UK During's tax year, although this is an Important
> consideration. *
>
>
> * The only occasion when to the number of days That You are Physically
> present
> in the UK will determine your residence status is when to you are here for
> 183
> days or more During's tax year. If you are here for 183 days or more in a
> tax year, you are resident in the UK. There are no exceptions to this. *
>
>
> * You can Also be resident in the UK if you are present here for FEWER 
> than
> 183 days in a tax year. This will depend on how long and how Often you are
> here, the purpose and pattern of your Presence and your connections to the
> UK. These might include the location of your family, your property, your
> your work life and social connections. *
>
>
> * Http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf *
>
>
> * 3.2 What does ordinary residence mean? *
>
>
> * Ordinary residence is Different from residence. The ordinary word
> Indicates That your residence in the UK is typical for you and not casual.
> It is Important not to confuse ordinary residence with domicile (see part
> 4). *
>
>
> * If you Have Always Lived in the UK ordinarily resident Then You are 
> here.
> When you come to the UK you do not Have to intendant to Remain in the UK
> Permanently or indefinitely in order to be ordinarily resident here. It is
> enough That your residence has all the Following attributes. *
>
>
> * Your Presence here have a Settled purpose. This might
> be for only a limited Period, But you have enough continuity to be 
> Properly
> Described as Settled.Business, employment and family can all to Provide
> purpose Settled, But this list is not exhaustive. *
>
>
> * Your Presence in the UK forms part of the Regular and
> usual mode of your life for the Time Being. This can include temporary
> Absences from the UK. For example if you come to live in the UK for three
> years or more then you will Have Established to regulate and habitual mode
> of
> life here from the start. *
>
>
> * You have to eat the UK voluntarily. The Fact That
> you chose to come to the UK at the request of your employer Rather than
> seek another job does not make your Presence here involuntary. *
>
>
> * The pattern of your Presence, Both in the UK and overseas, is an 
> Important
> When You Are Deciding factor if you are ordinarily resident in the UK. You
> Also will need to take Into account your Reasons for Being in, coming to,
> or leaving the UK and your lifestyle and habits. Parts 7 and 8 will help
> You With this, As They Explain the Considerations For Those coming to and
> leaving the UK. *
>
>
> http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf
>
>
> * 4.2 What does domicile mean? *
>
>
> * Domicile is generally a matter of law, not of tax law. There are Many
> Things
> Which Affect your domicile. Some of the main points That You Should
> Consider if you are not to be domiciled Claiming in the UK are Shown 
> below:
> *
>
>
> * You can not be without a domicile. *
>
>
> * You can only have one domicile at a time. *
>
>
> * You are domiciled in the country Normally Where You
> Have your permanent home. *
>
>
> * Your domicile will continue Existing Until You
> acquire a new one. *
>
>
> * Domicile is distinct from Nationality and residence,
> although Both Can Have an Impact on your domicile. *
>
>
> * The Fact That You register and vote as an overseas
> elector is not taken Into account Normally Deciding when to whether or not
> to you
> are domiciled in the UK. *
>
>
> **
>
>
> * Any references we make to Being domiciled in the UK are references to
> Being domiciled in Any part of the UK. *
>
>
> http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf
>
>
> * Domiciled here is a technical term With A Meaning. Very roughly (And 
> This
> is a considerable simplification) an Individual is domiciled in the UK if
> I was born in the UK or if the UK is permanent historical home, and is not 
> a
> UK
> domicile if I was born outside of the UK and does not intendant To Remain
> permanently. *
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_Kingdom
>
>
> * In law, domicile is the status or permanent attribution of Being to
> resident <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident> In a special **
> jurisdiction <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisdiction_%28area%29> . ** A
> person can domiciled in a jurisdiction Remain Even After They Have left 
> it,
> if They Have Sufficient links Maintained With That jurisdiction or Have 
> Not
> Displayed an intention to leave Permanently (ie, If That person HAS MOVED
> to a different state, But not yet have an intention Formed To Remain there
> indefinitely). A place of domicile Corporations is equivalent to STI place
> of incorporation. *
>
>
> * Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domicile_ 28law% 29% ***
>
>
> *
> *
>
>
> * 3) sharee'ah of Scotland *
>
>
> *
> *
>
>
> * III.3. ** The personal status and relationship issues in the state
> civil (name, domicile, capacity) *
>
>
> * The address of a person at the time of birth (home of
> origin) is the same as that of his father, provided that it is a child
> marriage. [] *
>
>
> * For over 16 years assuming they are still the home of origin,
> unless you opt for a different address. To choose a different address is
> must actually reside in the JURISDICTION concerned with
> intention to remain there indefinitely or permanently. In the
> time missing any of these requirements are reapplied
> old home rule. [] *
>
>
> * The cuestin the domicile of a person in a particular country often
> be regulated by the Scottish sharee'ah except disposicin contrary,
> for example, an international instrument to which the UK is
> party. [..] *
>
>
> http://ec.europa.eu/civiljustice/applicable_law/applicable_law_sco_es.htm 
> #
> III.3.
>
>
>
>
> *
> *
>
>
> * Conclusions *
>
>
>
>
> According to the above, the Operating Principles as required LACRALO
> requirement to be representative of LACRALO to ALAC, have their place of
> principal residence in different passes of the region.
>
>
> The rules defining residence quse * means * and which
> we use (ascomo the rest of the sharee'ah acompaada) use
> A similar approach: distinguish between domicile and residence as two
> separate and distinct concepts between s.
>
>
>
>
> So my understanding is that Mr. Humberto Carrasco (l himself as
> stated in an email to the list of discussion LACRALO) has
> their * home * in Chile, but he is now residing
> all, as it has stated its intention to return to Chile at the end
> her PhD, has a current intention that Chile is the
> real home, fixed, permanent and principal.Is the
> place where, every time estausente, it intends to return;
> while its * CV *, reside in that, being the seat in
> a particular place, the bond between the person and the dwelling place,
> regular or accidentally, with a certain character of permanence, ie
> more than just a temporary stay (to complete their studies
> PhD) is in Scotland.
>
>
>
>
> That is, following the criteria established by the laws applicable to
> our case, there are two concepts that should not be confused:
> residence and domicile. In the situation of Mr. Humberto Carrasco have
> two passes: Chile and Scotland. The criterion for assigning one of these
> passes
> a * home *, is a legal standard and is the one discussed
> above: the home of Mr. Carrasco is Chile. The criterion for
> assigned to one of these passes a * home *, is a standard fact:
> Mr.Carrasco is living, living, has a home with a
> character of stay (want to finish her PhD) in the
> City of Edinburgh, Scotland (aslo said in his e
> electrnicos: desconociencontrarse never living in the city of
> Edinburgh and be pursuing doctoral studies at the University of
> same name).
>
>
> *
> *
>
>
> Therefore, pursuant to the provisions of the Rules of
> LACRALO procedure and observing the Item 8 of the Principles
> Operating LACRALO requiring representatives to LACRALO
> ALAC debern that his principal residence in different passes of the
> region and taking into account the analysis performed to determine qudebe
> understood by residence, all of uniform considered two
> separate concepts, residence and domicile. The Presidency
> view that Mr. Humberto Carrasco NOT meet the requirements of
> residence required to be accepted as a candidate vlido within the
> election process that is open for the position of
> LACRALO representative to ALAC.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
> Arce JosFrancisco
>
>
> President of LACRALO
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