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 From: asoto at ibero-americano.org

 Dear, I differ in some points with the analysis of Humberto: 
 - We are choosing candidate Latinoamrica and Caribbean, and address 
 During the period of gestin undoubtedly is England. 
 - The home does not choose the candidate, is not interpretable, estfijado 
 by standards, in this case, where Educational Institute performed the 
 completed. 
 - We can not compare to the Nomcom choice, with this, are functions 
 different, according to the statutes, and therefore may be eligible Humberto 
 all, and not here. This is a topic to read the functions that must be met in the 
 by hand. 


 Lastly, I suggest you do is pour analysis and opinions, 
 considering that there has been a regulatory observation. And I think 
 is not acceptable, that you are trying to move someone from a 
 secretary, or to manifest the will of the mayoray not in the 
 desks.We are clarifying the regulatory side, since most 
 Sample ignore them. 


 Best Regards 


 Alberto Soto 








 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org 
 [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of 
 Humberto Carrasco 
 Posted on: Thursday, August 9, 2012 2:13 pm 
 To: lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org 
 Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Response to the Consultation to Regin - Elections 
 ALAC! 


 Dear: 


 Aquesta my answer: 


 The problem arises with respect to the following standard: 




 8. 


    The LACRALO elect two (2) individuals to serve as 
    representatives to the At Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) in 
    terms that have been specified in the ICANN Bylaws. Only 
    ALS those that have been accredited before votacin, podrn 
    vote in the choice. Each accredited ALS tendrderecho to one vote.
    The selected representatives must be members of different 
    ALS, must have their principal place of residence in different 
    passes the region, and their nationalities must be different. The 
    tendrna representatives in charge of the responsibilities set 
    in the ICANN bylaws. 


 Then, the problem arises interpretation regarding the expression 
 * Principal residence * referred to that provision. 


 The controversial rule has been interpreted in two ways: 


 a. - The one Seala that the fact be studying in Edinburgh, 
 I have primary residence in Chile. 


 b. - The second, which is my interpretation, which I keep tending Seala 
 principal residence (or domicile), even if a secondary residence, 
 or put another way, I am not domiciled resident in Edinburgh. 


 In my view, this is the correct interpretation of the following 
 arguments: 


 * Interpretation CONSTITUTIONAL ARGUMENT OR UNDER THE LAWS OF 
 ICANN * 




 In any system there regulatory jurdico and higher standards of character and 
 other rules of inferior character. Therefore, the rules of range 
 lower in case of conflict with their interpretation, and having ms 
 a sense, be interpreted as the most consistent with the 
 superior rule. 


 The same happens within the set of rules governing acting the parts of 
 ICANN. There is a higher standard of character, that is, the statutes of 
 ICANN OR BYLAWS in Anglo-Saxon expression and Alluna number of other 
 less hierarchy rules as are our WORKING PRINCIPLES OF 
 LACRALO. 


 In BYLAWS standard exists regarding the issue in paragraph 3 of 
 artculo VI, section 2 of the ICANN Bylaws on 
 the DIRECTORS AND THEIR SELECTION *; CHOICE OF PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT *: 




 3.By putting into practice their responsibilities to fill Seats 9 to 
 15, Supporting Organizations and the Community At-Large debern ensure 
 that the Board of ICANN estcompuesta of members in their 
 geogrfica set display diversity, culture, abilities, 
 experience and perspective in applying the criteria set forth in section 
 3 of this artculo <http://www.icann.org/es/about/governance/bylaws#VI-3> . 
 In no time two directors elected by a support organization 
 podrn be citizens of the same pitch of passes located in the same Regin 
 geogrfica.


 For the purposes of this subsection 3 of artculo VI, section 2 of the Statute 
 ICANN, if sb desempearse candidate for the post of Director 
 keep its citizens in more than one step domiciliase for more than 
 five years in a country in which the candidate did not have citizen 
 (Home), that candidate can be considered as belonging to 
 any of these countries and to select in their Declaration of interest 
 ciudadanao the country of domicile under which you want the organization 
 support or the Community At-Large will consider for the purposes of selection. A 
 For purposes of this subsection 3 of artculo VI, section 2 of the Statute of 
 ICANN, a person can only have a &quot;home&quot;, which estartbNL&gt; determined by where the applicant has permanent residence and 
 which is the dwelling place. 




 This applies directly to the Community At-Large, and solve 
 the problem enough for the candidate to choose the address under which you will 
 to consider the effects of selection.


 In any case, there is also an element that is mentioned norm, in the second 
 case means that the home is related to residence 
 permanent. 


 Aquesta the subject my permanent residence is in Chile, not in Edinburgh 
 that is transient. 


 If accepted, the interpretation that takes my principal residence 
 Chile (homeless) will be given the paradox that I may be a Candidate 
 the BOARD of ICANN, the NomCom, but shall not be entitled to ALAC Member. 


 Lastly, there is a similar case regarding the choice of Adam Peake (UK 
 National) who was selected for the NomCom in relacina EURALO although 
 living in Japan temporarily. 




 * ARGUMENT OF CHILEAN CIVIL CODE * 




 The Civil code in your article 59 Seala: 


 Article 59. The home is the residence, accompanied, real or 
 presumably, the minimum to stay in it. 


 It has been said about the home that: 


 The legal domicile is on a part of the area 
 the state.Can be defined as residence in a particular part of 
 territory of the State, accompanied, actual or presumptive, of the minimum of 
 remain. The constituent elements of legal domicile (which 
 be equated to the body and the posesin nimus) are two: 
 residence in a particular part of the territory of the State and the minimum of 
 remain in that residence. The minimum can be real or alleged. The first 
 is the one that has an existence true and effective, the second is that 
 inferred from certain facts or circumstances. 


 The two elements, residence and minimum, are necessary to constitute 
 home. The current residence, however long, is not enough for stbNL&gt; to be home alone, because the person can keep the minimum 
 return to the previous residence. The minimum, by sOnly, neither is 
 sufficient to constitute domicile does not operate an effective change 
 residence. But just enough to keep the minimum address: if 
 leaving the residence with the intention of returning to it, the lack of 
 stay in place, however long, does not lose 
 home.In ahque be said that the minimum is the main element 
 constituent of the home. (Professor Jose Miguel Orrego, Pgina 15 of its 
 notes on personality attributes) 




 The artculo Seala 64 to turn a presumption of residence: 




 Art 64. On the contrary, it is presumed course of the minimum stay and 
 settle in one place, because l opened in store, pharmacy, 
 factory, shop, inn, school or other establishment durable, for 
 manage it in person to accept the fact that place a charge on 
 Concejil, / _ * or regular employment of those who regularly give long 
 time * _ /, and analog inputs for other reasons 




 I have a valid contract with the North Catholic University, so 
 Therefore, I am qualified in that respect. 


 Even the civil code as follows: 


 Article 65. The legal domicile is not changed by the fact that the individual reside 
 long time in another part, voluntarily or forcibly, preserving its 
 family and principal place of business at the address above.


 As, by judicial decree confined to a particular site, or banished from 
 Similarly outside the Republic, retendrel last residence 
 while in l keep his family and principal place of business. 


 So my home is still Chile, according to sealado. 




 * CHILEAN TAX ARGUMENT. * 




 On this issue, I want to clarify that the rule invoked was not I, 
 and that under which the same service Seala Tax in Chile 
 * Ord. No. 1,583, of 29.07.2008 * in its nmeral 3 states: 


 In relationship to the subject in this analysis has pointed Service (Office 
 No. 3,514 of 14.07.2003) the rules applicable to the DETERMINATION of 
 tax home is set in the civil code regarding the 
 marital home, with some peculiarities arising from the 
 provisions of the Rent Act and the tax code. 




 According to the Civil code artculo 59 of &quot;the home is the 
 residence, accompanied, actually or presumptively, the minimum stay in 
 it. &quot; 




 In this regard, the said Office N 3.514/2003, Seala that the definition 
 foregoing, it follows that the address estconstituido by 
 copular elements, residence and minimum stay in it. At 
 Therefore, the loss of any two elements must bring 
 the loss of the home. However, once formed the home, 
 loss of the residence does not always lead to the home. 




 In this sense, both the Civil code (artculo 65) as the Law on 
 Income Tax (Article 4) to situations in which the 
 loss of the residence does not necessarily involve the home. 




 Indeed, 65 of the code artculo Civil provides that &quot;the marital home 
 do not move because the individual resided long in the other hand, 
 voluntarily or forcibly, preserving his family and the main entry 
 business at the address above. &quot; 




 Two requirements required by this standard copula for lack of residence 
 does not result in the home: the retention of the family and the seat 
 principal place of business at the address above.




 However, examining the elements that will lead to tax 
 determine the loss of the home According to the provisions of the Civil code 
 the Law on Income Tax, warns that the code meets Civil 
 the premise that the individual does not keep the family and the seat 
 main business in his former home, while for 
 purposes of the Income Tax Law is weighted the lack of qualified residence and 
 the fact that the taxpayer has not kept its main entry 
 business in Chile, without referring to the family factor. 




 It is essential therefore take both bodies consideracin 
 agree to appropriate policy as one of the decisive factors 
 determine the loss of the home in the country, the fact of 
 where the person exercises activity which gets most 
 of their income and where his main interests are settled, 
 ste history that as regards the Income Tax Law is a 
 inherent element to it, considering the character that serves as the Economic 
 merit and that specifically recognizes the set, as already 
 indicated that the mere absence or lack of residence in the country is not causal 
 determined by the loss of the home in Chile about the people who 
 are absent from the country while preserving the main source of business in 
 Chile. 




 Therefore, it is estimated that in the event that a taxpayer who has 
 domiciled in Chile, which has no residence in Chile, according to 
 the provisions of No. 8 of 8 artculo the tax code and, in addition, 
 not retain the seat in Chile's main business has lost its 
 residing in Chile. 




 However, my principal place of business is in Chile. I have 
 employment contract in force in Chile, I pay taxes, I have ally properties 
 respective pay taxes for them. 




 All this, I can prove it with supporting documents and the 
 I can send to anyone with authority to assess this situation, as 
 contain sensitive data. 






 * Argument PRCTICO * 






 In practical terms, my candidature may not prevent me meet 
 as ALAC member. If I can participate in conferences, attending 
 future ICANN meetings, issue reports, ask the members, 
 participate in all activities, I see what the difference being 
 aquo in Chile. Being outside does not stop me talking to my users 
 country, with my companions of association, or conduct teleconferences or 
 other activities that allow me to know and discuss with my fellow 
 on issues that are of major importance in Chile and the LAC region. 


 My home is in Chile, not in the UK. My passport and visa aslo say.
 My employment contract effective with the Catholic University of the North, 
 confirmed, among many other materials that may contribute. My stay in 
 UK is transient. 




 * TRAVEL TO CHILE * 




 I should add that Chile deberviajar constantly because of my 
 investigation. This not tendrproblemas and regulations cumplircon 
 about me established that the University of Edinburgh: 




 The university may authorize me to be out of Edinburgh to 15 months. 




 View: 




 http://www.law.ed.ac.uk/pg/research/howtoapplyandfrequentlyaskedquestions.as 
 px 




 I can even accompany quotation solicitadaa a travel agent makes 
 A few weeks ago to travel to Chile in the coming months. 




 * In conclusion: I have my main residence in Chile and I can be a candidate 
 so sealado. * 




 Regards 




 On 09/08/2012 1:00, Maple JosFrancisco escribitbNL&gt; > Estimados,
>
>
> Les escribo en esta oportunidad para participarlos en una situación 
> que se ha dado en las últimas semanas en LACRALO, referente a la 
> situación de Humberto Carrasco como candidato a miembro de ALAC, 
> teniendo su residencia actual en Edimburgo y el posible conflicto con 
> los principios operativos de LACRALO en la regla numero 8 (Citada mas
 > 
 > 
> He recibido mail del Staff de ICANN inclusive, consultando esta 
> situación particular, y varios mails de miembros de la región 
> preocupados y con dudas acerca de las elecciones próximas. Y se ha 
> convertido en un tema que merece la discusión y el conocimiento de la
 > 
 > 
> Antes de enviar este email, tuve oportunidad de hablar personalmente 
> con Humberto y el comparte la idea de debatir entre todos esta situación.
>
>
>
> De todas las consultas y charlas que he tenido arme un resumen de las 
> situaciones y preocupaciones generales y las comparto con ustedes para 
> que puedan opinar.
>
>
>
> Saludos
>
>
> José Arce.-
>
> Presidente de LACRALO
>
>
>
> *Lugar de residencia de Humberto Carrasco*
>
> Humberto está viviendo en Edimburgo, Escocia, y está estudiando un 
> Doctorado en la Universidad de Edimburgo. Él mismo ha expresado esta 
> situación cuando envió un correo electrónico a la lista de discusión 
> de LACRALO, aceptando la nominación propuesta como representante de 
> LACRALO ante ALAC.
>
> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es/2012/004678.ht
> ml
>
> También existen correos electrónicos en la lista de discusión de 
> LACRALO donde él solicita que lo llamen para una teleconferencia de 
> LACRALO, donde brinda un número telefónico de Escocia para recibir la
 > 
> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2012/005262.ht
> ml
>
> Además en la página personal de Facebook, donde cada uno de los 
> usuarios brinda los datos que quiere brindar de manera voluntaria, 
> Humberto ha expresado que vive en Edimburgo, Escocia.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/humberto.carrasco.376
>
>
>  
> <http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2012/005262.h
> tml>También en su perfil personal de Facebook, Humberto ha expresado 
> que comenzó sus estudios en la Universidad de Edimburgo en el año 
> 2011. Como es de público conocimiento, estudiar un  Doctorado de la 
> rama que fuere, demanda mucho más que un año de estudio, por lo que se 
> infiere que todavía está viviendo en Edimburgo y estudiando su 
> Doctorado en la Universidad de Edimburgo.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/humberto.carrasco.376/info
>
>
>
> *Requisitos de residencia para estudiar un Doctorado en la Universidad 
> de Edimburgo (Escocia)*
>
> En el enlace que se acompaña se detallan los requisitos de residencia 
> para estudiar un Doctorado en Edimburgo en el sector de las 
> telecomunicaciones como el que Humberto está realizando.
>
> http://www.drps.ed.ac.uk/08-09/regulations/postgrad.php
>
> Entre esos requisitos contenidos en el punto 4 se exige que los 
> candidatos a PhD deben mantener su *residencia en Edimburgo* *durante 
> el período de
> estudio* (en Doctorados tienen un mínimo de 3 años de duración) a 
> menos que una licencia de ausencia haya sido permitida. *Se entiende 
> por residencia en Edimburgo: residencia en la ciudad de Edimburgo o en 
> sus inmediaciones, y proximidad del candidato a Edimburgo, para 
> permitir la facilidad de las reuniones cara a cara con sus 
> supervisores y el estudio, dirigido por el supervisor y aprobado por la
 > 
> Este documento de la Universidad de Edimburgo también establece la 
> posibilidad de residencia en otro lugar para candidatos a PhD para 
> fines de trabajo de campo e investigaciones académicas siempre que no 
> excedan el plazo de 15 meses, aunque debiendo residir al menos durante 
> 9 meses de la duración de su Doctorado en Edimburgo. Para hacer uso de 
> esta posibilidad los candidatos deberán obtener la autorización por 
> escrito del Director de la Facultad y con la exigencia de mantener un 
> contacto regular con su propio supervisor.
>
> Los permisos para razones distintas a trabajos de campo o 
> investigaciones académicas, serán concedidos de manera excepcional por la
 > 
> *Requisitos para los representantes de LACRALO ante ALAC*
>
> La primera regla a la que debemos acudir es a nuestros Principios 
> Operativos de LACRALO, que tienen contemplada esta situación de manera 
> expresa, taxativa y clara.
>
> En caso de que haya laguna en ese tema en nuestros Principios 
> Operativos, recién ahí se deben recurrir a reglas externas, como las 
> Reglas de Procedimiento de ALAC, y recién luego a los Estatutos de ICANN.
>
> Las Reglas de Procedimiento de ALAC, no tienen nada previsto sobre 
> este tema. Los estatutos de ICANN se refieren a la residencia, pero 
> solo con respecto a los Directores de la Junta y para cumplir con el 
> requisito de la diversidad regional que está contemplada y exigida de 
> manera expresa para poder ser miembros.
>
> *Principios Operativos de LACRALO*
>
> Los Principios Operativos de LACRALO disponen en su principio número 
> 8, primer párrafo referido a los representantes de LACRALO ante ALAC 
> de manera
> expresa:
>
> “8. La LACRALO elegirá a dos (2) individuos para servir como 
> representantes ante el At Large Advisory Committee (ALAC), en los 
> términos que han sido especificados en los estatutos de ICANN. Sólo 
> aquellas ALS que hayan sido acreditadas antes de la votación, podrán 
> votar en la elección. Cada ALS acreditada tendrá derecho a un voto. 
> Los *representantes seleccionados *deben ser miembros de diferentes 
> ALS, *deben tener su lugar de residencia principal en diferentes 
> países de la región*, y sus nacionalidades deben ser distintas. Los 
> representantes tendrán a su cargo las responsabilidades estipuladas en 
> los estatutos del ICANN”.*
> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/2264378/Principios%25
> 20Operativos%2520de%2520la%2520LACRALO%2520Rev1%2520-%220ES%2520.pdf?v
> ersion=1&modificationDate=1283972736000
> *
>
>
>
> *Interpretación de los abogados de ICANN*
>
> Sam Eisner writes =>
>
> **STARTS**
>
> The LACRALO may wish to consider how issues of diversity are discussed 
> in the ICANN Bylaws for the purposes of determining domicile/residency:
>
> For purposes of this sub-section 2 of Article VI, Section 2 of the 
> ICANN Bylaws, if any candidate for director maintains citizenship of 
> more than one country, or has been domiciled for more than five years 
> in a country of which the candidate does not maintain citizenship 
> ("Domicile"), that candidate may be deemed to be from either country 
> and must select in his/her Statement of Interest the country of 
> citizenship or Domicile that he/she wants the Nominating Committee to 
> use for Diversity Calculation purposes. For purposes of this sub- 
> section 2 of Article VI, Section 2 of the ICANN Bylaws, a person can 
> only have one "Domicile," which shall be determined by where the 
> candidate has a permanent residence and place of habitation.
>
> There are considerations of issues of citizenship (which don't seem to 
> be at issue with this candidate) and where he lives.  The NomCom 
> requirement sets a 5-year window – which could allow for items such as
>  The LACRALO may wish to consider whether a school's requirement that 
> a matriculant live near the school to further his education equals a 
> requirement that the matriculant no longer maintain any sort of 
> residence elsewhere – and they may wish to discuss this with the 
> candidate before taking a decision on whether the candidacy is viable.  
> Whatever decision is taken, I would recommend getting a full view of 
> the facts from the candidate, and not basing a decision fully on 
> independent internet research.
>
> I don't see in the ALAC ops document that there's any discussion of 
> residency requirements, so I don't see a conflict there.
>
> ** ENDS**
>
> En la consulta realizada a los abogados de ICANN, expresan lo 
> expresado arriba. Aunque se olvidan que cuando la situación presentada 
> está contemplada de manera expresa en nuestros estatutos, debemos 
> recurrir en primer lugar, a ellos. Además hacen referencia a las 
> elecciones a cargo del NomCom, que se rigen por reglas diferentes a las de
 > 
> En este caso, estamos buscando elegir por la región, a un 
> representante de LACRALO ante ALAC. Se tienen que aplicar las reglas 
> que rigen en nuestra región, no las del NomCom. Las del NomCom se 
> aplicarán cuando se elijan candidatos a su cargo, que no es nuestro caso.
>
> Aplicar reglas de extraña jurisdicción afectan la *independencia y 
> autonomía que debe tener un RALO: la posibilidad de dictar por sus 
> propios estatutos y regirse por ellos*.
>
> *
> *
>
> *¿Cómo se debe interpretar el requisito de la residencia?*
>
> Legalmente, la residencia implica dos elementos: el *corpus *y el
> Es decir, encontrarse físicamente en un lugar (con el cuerpo de la 
> persona en dicho lugar, viviendo en determinado lugar) y además dicha 
> persona debe tener la intención, el *animus*, de permanecer allí.
>
> En la documentación acompañada queda demostrado que Humberto Carrasco, 
> vive, reside, tiene su *corpus* en Edimburgo  y además que tiene la 
> intención (el *animus*) de permanecer allí, debido a que aún se 
> encuentra estudiando su Doctorado y para finalizarlo deberá continuar 
> viviendo en Edimburgo, tal como se lo exigen los reglamentos de 
> residencia para los Doctorados de la Universidad de Edimburgo.
>
> Además es propio y de la naturaleza de la residencia, que una persona 
> no puede tener dos o más residencia, en distintos lugares y al mismo 
> tiempo, debido principalmente a que una persona sólo dispone de un 
> cuerpo. Es decir, en nuestro caso, Humberto no puede tener su 
> residencia, vivir, en Edimburgo y en Chile, al mismo tiempo.
>
> También vienen en ayuda para determinar la residencia de las personas, 
> generalmente, las legislaciones en materia tributaria de cada país. 
> Porque se entiende como regla general, que todos los ciudadanos 
> tributan en el país en el que viven o tienen su residencia principal. 
> Salvo excepciones, en las que una persona aún viviendo en un 
> determinado país, deberá tributar en otro país, si en el segundo tiene
 > 
> Si se sostiene que Humberto tiene residencia en Chile, recurrimos a la 
> legislación tributaria de dicho país, especialmente la referida al 
> Impuesto sobre las Rentas provenientes de bienes situados en Chile o 
> de actividades desarrolladas en él, es decir, de fuente chilena.
>
> Para la legislación chilena se entiende entonces por residencia, a los 
> fines tributarios a:
>
> *"Residente", toda persona natural que permanezca en Chile más de seis 
> meses en un año calendario, o más de seis meses en total, dentro de 
> dos años tributarios consecutivos,  *
>
> Por lo tanto, debemos preguntarnos, partiendo de que una persona no 
> puede tener dos residencias diferentes y al mismo tiempo, si ser 
> residente en Chile implica estar más de seis meses en el país, y por 
> otro lado, los reglamentos de residencia de la Universidad de 
> Edimburgo, le exigen a Humberto residir en Edimburgo o sus 
> inmediaciones durante el plazo de sus estudios, ¿cómo podría residir al
 > 
> *
> *
>
> *El quid a discutir es (desde mi punto de vista):*
>
> Se incumple el requisito de la residencia que establecen  los 
> Principios Operativos de LACRALO *“tener su lugar de residencia 
> principal en diferentes países de la región” por tener Humberto 
> Carrasco actualmente su residencia en Edimburgo?*
>
> Espero que podamos debatir este tema para hacer transparentes nuestros 
> procesos.
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