[lac-discuss-en] RES: RES: CLOSING COMMENTS ON APPLICATIONS OPEN ALS

Erik Huesca erik at huesca.mx
Tue Jul 31 21:58:28 UTC 2012


Andrés,

esa postura borra el trabajo de tiempo sobre los mecanismos de admisión y
sobretodo deja sin sentido toda esta discusión, de ser así, para que se
abren consultas. Me atrevo a calificar de poco respetuoso tu comentario a
los que han expresado abiertamente su opinión en esta lista.

Es claro que las organizaciones no tienen un soporte evidente que de cabida
en LACRALO.

Pido que sigamos apliacando los mecanismos que nos hemos propuesto.

Erik Huesca

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 3:32 PM, <vanda at uol.com.br> wrote:

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>  Subject: RES: RES: CLOSING COMMENTS ON APPLICATIONS OPEN ALS
>  From: vanda at uol.com.br
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>  I have always been in favor of having us as most representative of ALS,
>  best for LACRALO.
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>  Comprendiese when empezlos few allestaban did all the
>  work to raise the group. But the rules with which we started, as
>  any organization, need to be updated, rethought for the
>  moment. Aspienso that one of the rules that we must seek to change
>  in our regulations is not allowed in organizations
>  natural persons, may be supported with participation of companies or other
>  organizations. This change may leave much stronger our group,
>  especially economically, and help organizations quizlograremos
>  girls, who are only a few natural persons, to grow or even
>  tornndose join other stronger.The majority of organizations
>  natural persons do not grow based solely on contributions from
>  these people, especially also because the majority of our
>  activities are to be charged non users, asque either,
>  may depend on them economically. If one succeeds ALS other support
>  organization, for example, quedarmucho more efficient in their work with
>  users.
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>  The change in our bylaws must be in agreement with what we want
>  LACRALO for the future.
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>  Hugs,
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>  ----- Mensagem Original -----
>  From: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>  [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome of Dr.
>  Baruch Alejandro Pisanty
>  Posted in: second-feira 30, 2012 22:09 julho
>  To: Erick Iriarte Ahon, Fatima Cambronero
>  Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff; LACRALO Espaol
>  Assunto: Re: [lac-discuss-en] RES: APPLICATIONS CLOSING COMMENTS ALS
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>  qubueno that occasionally express opinions clearly.We say
>  in Mxico &quot;clearly worth more than a hundred faded&quot; and in each
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>  our passes habrexpresiones equivalent.
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>  Ms alldel passion of the moment I think we should convert these
>  opinions on updated criteria and use them to better meet
>  our common goals - a task that starts with the current definition
>  common objectives. Something that recently in San trabajpara
>  Jos, Costa Rica, and instead should advance little Prague, but to follow.
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>  It has been mentioned many times the alternative to withdraw the
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>  some or all members and start from scratch, with criteria
>  regulations based on the principle of &quot;Web of Trust&quot; or
> &quot;telaraa of
>  trust &quot;, each torn dams, and criteria that
>  organizations can demonstrate that represent users and / or serve
>  the user community.
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>  Discussions like today, and the lack of results of Conciliation
>  respect to the General Assembly is in a state of constipacin
>  (Understanding a natural break that process by personal circumstance
>  of JosArce) the urge to feed more than the expectation refundacin
>  reconciliaciny reconstruction.
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>  From: <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>  lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>  [Lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Erick
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>  Ahon [eiriarte at alfa-redi.org] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 19:45
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>  To: Fatima Cambronero
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>  CC: LACRALO Espaol, ICANN At-Large Staff
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>  Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] RES: APPLICATIONS CLOSING COMMENTS ALS
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>  Fatima
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>  thank you for giving information which is known to those who follow
>  ICANN theme, but also thanks to clarify an important point
>  you must know, about what they want to do with ALS.
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>  Also important to recognize that there are people, but to play
>  principles. As I turned to those who had close and then went
>  expandiendonos (and say that something I can say with a few years more
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>  your on the topic), if they see the growth rate of ALS in Latin America
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>  where he will notice the real work of outreach.
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>  I have not intervened in their petty battles for those traveling more or
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>  has more titles, nor did I get into their philosophical contributions
>  the theorizing of nothing, if I recognized the work of some who even
>  I do not think as they have done things like Sergio (and indeed if someone
>  I am not exactly remember his holy devotion, but recognize the good
>  is also good), if I dared to speak when they have the audacity to
>  arguments using &quot;pseudo-legal&quot; to try to prevent others
>  participate.An entity is free to go where they best see fit
>  (NCUC, LACRALO, ISPs, wherever), why they choose them, not guardians of
>  doors open.
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>  Notice I say, I ask, exigo, read the bylaws of LACRALO (if
>  escribos among all those in Sao Paulo, and we signed and approved). And
>  as due to the step down di believing with certainty that other
>  they would take the baton to build not to exclude.
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>  So, I leave my opinion on, I will not intervene, or I'll
>  respond to what you say, or any who want to support or not
>  support what I say, shut the door to an organization with a trick
>  text, is spitting at the sky waiting for you not to fall, sooner or later
>  flip the tortilla, and some, like me, have enough patience.
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>  Erick
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>  On 30/07/2012, at 19:22, Fatima Cambronero escribitbNL&gt;
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> > Probablemente desconozcas el trabajo que estamos haciendo en el WG de RoP
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> > Justamente el tema de la participación, y más precisamente la falta de
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>  mtricas and discussing the possibilities of de-certification
>  ALS involved only in times of votacino of applications for
>  charges without any kind of substantial contribution within LACRALO.
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> > Si fue culpa tuya haber traido a LACRALO a muchas ALSs formadas por
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>  as members of the ALS LACRALO really dealing with users and
>  of their rights.
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> > La solicitud de certificación como ALS no fue presentada ni por Beatriz
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>  personal but they are functional LACRALO.
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> > Además la sugerencia es dirigirlas hacia un espacio dentro de ICANN donde
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> > Saludos,
> > Fatima
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> > El 30 de julio de 2012 21:16, Erick Iriarte Ahon <
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> > La mitad de las ALS de America Latina son Abogados (muchas traidas por
> > mi culpa!! :) )
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> > Dejar afuera a otros bajo argumentos de "pureza" es olvidarse que tampoco
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> > No hay argumento valido bajo ninguna forma y circunstancia, sino
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>  Association of Notaries of Uruguay, which also has to Beatriz Rodriguez
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>  Maria Jose Viega digital activists who know them but put
>  their names on Google!
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> > Sino revisen aqui:
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>  https://community.icann.org/display/LACRALO/LACRALO+ALSes
>  Organizations.
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> > Ya basta de sectarismo, tienen una gran oportunidad de hacer cosas por la
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> > El 30/07/2012, a las 18:51, Vanda UOL escribió:
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> > > Y  he comentado  acerca de la aplicación de Brasil, que por aceptar
> > > organizaciones y empresas en sus estatutos, non son cualificadas.
> > > Incluso he levantado la cuestión de revernos estas prohibiciones si
> > > queremos un LACRALO mas fuerte y auto sustentable.
> > > Cuanto a la organización de Notarios de Uruguay, creo que se
> > > encuadra correctamente en nuestros estatutos, así que soy a favor de
> > > aceptarla en nuestros cuadros.
> > > Además es una oportunidad para que Uruguay participe más de LACRALO
> > > Abrazos a todos
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> > > Vanda Scartezini
> > > Polo Consultores Associados
> > > IT Trend
> > > Avenida Paulista 1159 cj 1004
> > > 01311-200 São Paulo,SP, Brasil
> > > Tel + 5511 3266.6253
> > > Mob + 55118181.1464
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> > > -----Mensagem original-----
> > > De:  <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
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> > > Assunto: [lac-discuss-es] CIERRE DE COMENTARIOS APLICACIONES ALSs EN
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