[lac-discuss-en] All Latin America

Carlton Samuels carlton.samuels at gmail.com
Sun May 27 20:22:39 UTC 2012


[Spanish Version]

Estimado Roosevelt:
He leído su presentación bien escrita con un cierto interés, aunque sólo
sea porque comparto algunas de sus preocupaciones. Elcontenido y el contexto
 es muy claro en Inglés. Pero no veo donde puede haber sido masacrados por la
traducción.

Yo lo creo que debería tener la oportunidad de una audiencia más amplia que
lo he presentado en el motor de Google Translate y re-publicado a la lista
de Lengua Española.

Algunas de estas mismas preocupaciones que ha planteado han sido
identificados hasta ahora por los demás, sobre todo, Jacqueline Morris,
 Lance Hinds Lance, Cintra Sooknanan  y Dev Anand Teelucksingh.
También he compartido
mis puntos de vista sobrelas teleconferencias, el de Adobe Connect de chat,
así como un correo electrónico de circulación limitada dirigida a varias
personalidades LACRALO líderes, de ALAC Chair y el ICANN Ombudsman.

Si tienes la suerte - o, posiblemente, tratados como los otros antes que yo
- estos comentarios a sus sinceros no atraerá la denunciadura que la
mía recibido
de José Arce, Leite Silvia y Sergio Salinas Porto, me llamaron mentiroso y de
división.

Esos cargos son libelo de sangre. Y tengo la intención de extraer la
sangre cuando
respondo a mis críticos con las pruebas y los hechos de sus propias palabras
 y escritos.

Ánimo.
- Carlton Samuels
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*English Version:*

Dear Roosevelt:
I read your well-written submission with a certain interest, if only
because I share some of your concerns.  The content and context is very
clear in English.  But I see where it may have been butchered by the
translation.

I so believe it should have a chance of a wider audience that I have
submitted it to the Google Translate engine and re-posted it to the Spanish
Language list.

Some of these same concerns you raised have been identified before now by
others, notably Jacqueline Morris, Lance Hinds, Cintra Sooknanan and Dev
Anand Teelucksingh.   I have also shared my views on teleconferences, the
Adobe Connect chat as well as a limited circulation email addressed to
several leading LACRALO personalities, the ALAC Chair and the ICANN
Ombudsman.

If you are lucky - or possibly treated like the others before me - these
your sincere comments  will not attract the harsh denunciation that mine
received from Jose Arce, Sylvia Leite and Sergio Salinas Porto; I was
called a liar and divisive.

Those charges are blood libel.  And I intend to draw blood when I answer my
critics with the evidence and the facts from their own words and writings.

Take heart.
- Carlton Samuels

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On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 5:31 PM, <admin at bango.org.bb> wrote:

> Hello to all members,
>
> It has become hard not to notice what may be called a flexing of the Latin
> American muscle. First an attempt to ignore the fact that English is the
> official language and I am seeing statements from working groups that a
> decision is to be made about which language the group would work in. If the
> official language of ICANN is English, it is important that English is used
> and not a mixture of German, Spanish, French or otherwise as words have
> different meanings and connotations in different language. This is
> important
> so as to be consistent. It does not matter which language, whichever
> language is used, it must not be compromised. We cannot be understanding
> something as English allows and then somebody else understanding it a
> different way because of language or interpretation differences.
>
> For example, I am hearing reference to the Chairman as President, where it
> is said that the Spanish translation for "the Chairman" is "el Presidente".
> In English, there is a clear distinction between a Chairman and a
> President,
> just as there is a difference between "sovereign" and the "highest-decision
> making body" of an organisation. The highest decision making body in any
> organisation is also subject to rules. It cannot even breach its own rules
> and as a matter of fact, will be judged on how well it has been able to
> observe its own rules.
>
> First, when I look at the rules of the LACRALO, the Chairman is erroneously
> referred to as the President. This is where the corruption of the word
> Chairman begins as it moves from el presidente the chairman, to President.
> Then, in assuming office, the chairman begins to act like he is a
> president,
> but when you look at the RoP, the role of the chairman is clearly not an
> executive one, but a role, a task to perform.
>
> Second, the word sovereign has no place in the democratic process.
> Democracy
> is not about sovereignty but more about cooperation, dialogue,
> collaboration, consultations and consensus. Sovereignty connotes arbitrary
> rule, absolute rule, a divine right to rule, etc. whereas, democracy is
> about the rule of the people and quite contrary to most popular beliefs,
> not
> about the rule of the majority either. It is about the RULE OF THE PEOPLE.
>
> In any society, there are many different people. People are not usually of
> one mind. They have diverse interests and hence they have to come together,
> consult, dialogue and continue to work with one another for the benefit of
> all. In any democracy, minorities especially must have a voice and it would
> seem that the LAs, even though they are saying democracy, obviously do not
> understand what the word means. This was demonstrated by Jose as Chair of
> the GA in one of many incidents, when he refused questions on a motion and
> declared that only voting will take place. Then after the vote, somebody
> proceeded to ask for clarifications on what was just voted for. That in
> itself is madness and certainly a lack of appreciation for democratic
> procedure, because after voting, nobody should be asking for
> clarifications.
> Everybody should be clear about what they are voting for before the vote.
>
> I therefore do not support his election as Chairman of LACRALO and given
> the
> dictatorial behaviour of the Secretariat, I question their understanding of
> democracy. While these people as personalities are quite hospitable and
> friendly, this rush to politicise LACRALO is not welcomed.
>
> As a person who is accustomed to democratic procedures and process (it is
> my
> daily life), it is beneath my dignity to participate in any organisation
> where the elected think that they have autocratic rule and simple
> democratic
> rules of procedures are unknown. We are not accustomed to this. We are not
> accustomed to people who try to empower themselves to make decisions that
> will impact others and rely on their authority to flout rules and do as
> they
> like.
>
> These matters are too elementary and I have no intention to be
> participating
> in meetings where people are not respected and are expected to do what they
> are told. I left my childhood more that 40 years ago, never to return.
> Therefore my participation in LACRALO will be very minimal if any. I can't
> take the childishness associated with the politicisation of LACRALO.
>
> Finally, in the same way that country coefficients have been applied to
> ensure that each country has only one vote, is the same way that LA should
> not hold all the elected officers. It is LA & C. Right now it is only LA.
> The C is missing and I am among the C. many of my colleagues have taken the
> same position including those that went to CR and therefore, when the
> aftermath of CR should be more participation, we are not even able to
> achieve this given.
>
> I therefore object to this politicisation of LACRALO and give notice that
> not participating is not for lack of interest but in protest of the
> politicisation. I will sit with you at a party, I will sit and chat, but
> not
> at LACRALO meetings until those charged with its management understand how
> to manage in a democratic manner.
>
>
> ROK
> Roosevelt O. King
> Secretary General
> Barbados Association of Non Governmental Organisations
> #10 Garrison, St. Michael
> Barbados, Caribbean
> Tel: 247-822-7707 / 254-5815
> e-mail: admin at bango.org.bb
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