[lac-discuss-en] All Latin America

[carlton.samuels at gmail.com]

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 Subject: Re: All Latin America 
 From: carlton.samuels at gmail.com

 Aquestuna version of Google translation of Roosevelt's comments 
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 Hello to all members, 


 It has become difficult not to notice what may be called a 
 demonstration of his power in Latin America. First an attempt to 
 ignore the fact that the English Course is the official language and I'm seeing 
 statements of the working groups that should be done decisin 
 on the language that the group would work in. If the official language of 
 ICANN is the English, it is important that Ingls is used and not a mixture 
 of German, Spanish, French or otherwise, as the words have 
 different meanings and connotations in different idiomas.Esto is 
 important to be consistent. No matter the language, the language 
 uses should not be compromised.You can not understand something like Ingls 
 and then let someone more the comprehension of a 
 differently due to differences of language or interpretation. 


 For example, I'm listening reference to the President, as President, 
 which states that Trasnlation into Spanish for "the President" is "the 
 President ". In English, there is a clear distinction between a President and 
 a President, ascomo there a difference between the "sovereign" and "ms 
 high making 
 organ "of an organization. The highest organ of decisin ms at any 
 organization also estsujeto to rules. He can not even break their 
 own rules and as s a matter of fact, so well that serjuzgado 
 has been able to observe their own rules. 


 First, when I look at the rules of LACRALO, the President 
 refirierrneamente as President. Aques where the corruption of the 
 President begins a word as it moves from president 
 the president, the president.Then, upon taking office, President 
 l starts acting like a president, but if you look at the ROP, 
 the president's role is clearly not a 
 an executive, but the role, a task to perform. 


 Second, the sovereign word has no place in the process 
 democrtico. Democracy is not about sovereignty but more good 
 COOPERATION, dialogue, the collaboration, consultation and consensus. 
 Sovereign 
 connotes arbitrariness, the absolute State, a divine right to 
 rule, etc., while democracy is the rule about 
 people and completely contrary to most popular beliefs, not 
 about the rule of the majority either. This is the rule of the people. 


 In any society, there are many different people. People do not 
 tend to be of one mind.They have diverse interests and at 
 both have to meet, consult, dialogue and follow 
 working with others for the benefit of todos.En any democracy, the 
 minoras, especially, must have a voice and it seems that the LEA, although 
 saying that they ESTN democracy obviously do not 
 understand what the word means. This was demonstrated by Joscomo 
 President of the General Assembly in one of many incidents when 
 is negpreguntas on a mociny declarque the votacinslo is 
 carried out. Next, AFTER THE votacin, someone proceeded 
 seek clarification on what was just voted. That is one in smismo 
 madness and certainly a lack of appreciation for the procedure 
 democrtico as despus to vote, no one should ask for clarification. 
 Everyone should be clear what they are voting before votacin. 


 Therefore, do not support your choice as President of LACRALO 
 and taking into account the dictatorial behavior of the secreted, put 
 doubt on their understanding of democracy.While these people as 
 personalities are very hospitable and friendly, this race to politicize 
 LACRALO unwelcome. 


 As a person who estacostumbrada democrticos the procedures and 
 the process (which is my daily life), which estpor beneath my dignity to 
 participate in any organization in which the elect believe that 
 Regime autocrtico have the simple rules of democrticas 
 procedures are unknown. We're not used to this. Not 
 We are accustomed to people trying to make enforceable 
 decisions 
 demsy affecting trust in its authority rules and comply 
 to do whatever they want. 


 These issues are too simple and I have no intention of 
 participate in meetings where people are not respected and is expected to 
 do what they say. Pay off my childhood more than 40 years ago, not 
 back jams. So my participation in LACRALO sermnimo if 
 there. I can not take the childishness politizacin associated with the 
 LACRALO.


 Lastly, in the same way that the coefficients of the passes have been 
 applied to ensure that each country has one vote, is the same 
 so that the LA should not hold all elected officials. Is 
 LA & C. It is now only in Los Angeles. The C is missing and I am in 
 through C many of my colleagues have taken the same position 
 including those that went to Costa Rica and therefore, when 
 effects of CR must be greater participation, we are not even 
 been able to achieve this. 


 Therefore, oppose this politizacin of LACRALO and give notice that 
 not to participate is not for lack of interest, but to protest the 
 politizacin. I will sit with you at a party, I sat 
 talk, but not in the meetings of LACRALO to those charged with their 
 progestin understand how to manage in a way democrtica. 




 South Korea 
 Roosevelt O.King 
 Secretary General of the 
 Barbados, the Association of Non Governmental 
 # 10 Garrison, San Miguel 
 Barbados 
 Tel: 247-822-7707 / 254-5815 
 e-mail: admin at bango.org.bb 
 Network: http://bangoonline.igloocommunities.com 


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 Carlton A Samuels 
 Mobile: 876-818-1799 
 * Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround * 
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 On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 5:31 PM, <admin at bango.org.bb> wrote: 


> Hello to all members,
>
> It has become hard not to notice what may be called a flexing of the Latin
> American muscle. First an attempt to ignore the fact that English is the
> official language and I am seeing statements from working groups that a
> decision is to be made about which language the group would work in. If the
> official language of ICANN is English, it is important that English is used
> and not a mixture of German, Spanish, French or otherwise as words have
> different meanings and connotations in different language. This is
> important
> so as to be consistent. It does not matter which language, whichever
> language is used, it must not be compromised. We cannot be understanding
> something as English allows and then somebody else understanding it a
> different way because of language or interpretation differences.
>
> For example, I am hearing reference to the Chairman as President, where it
> is said that the Spanish translation for "the Chairman" is "el Presidente".
> In English, there is a clear distinction between a Chairman and a
> President,
> just as there is a difference between "sovereign" and the "highest-decision
> making body" of an organisation. The highest decision making body in any
> organisation is also subject to rules. It cannot even breach its own rules
> and as a matter of fact, will be judged on how well it has been able to
> observe its own rules.
>
> First, when I look at the rules of the LACRALO, the Chairman is erroneously
> referred to as the President. This is where the corruption of the word
> Chairman begins as it moves from el presidente the chairman, to President.
> Then, in assuming office, the chairman begins to act like he is a
> president,
> but when you look at the RoP, the role of the chairman is clearly not an
> executive one, but a role, a task to perform.
>
> Second, the word sovereign has no place in the democratic process.
> Democracy
> is not about sovereignty but more about cooperation, dialogue,
> collaboration, consultations and consensus. Sovereignty connotes arbitrary
> rule, absolute rule, a divine right to rule, etc. whereas, democracy is
> about the rule of the people and quite contrary to most popular beliefs,
> not
> about the rule of the majority either. It is about the RULE OF THE PEOPLE.
>
> In any society, there are many different people. People are not usually of
> one mind. They have diverse interests and hence they have to come together,
> consult, dialogue and continue to work with one another for the benefit of
> all. In any democracy, minorities especially must have a voice and it would
> seem that the LAs, even though they are saying democracy, obviously do not
> understand what the word means. This was demonstrated by Jose as Chair of
> the GA in one of many incidents, when he refused questions on a motion and
> declared that only voting will take place. Then after the vote, somebody
> proceeded to ask for clarifications on what was just voted for. That in
> itself is madness and certainly a lack of appreciation for democratic
> procedure, because after voting, nobody should be asking for
> clarifications.
> Everybody should be clear about what they are voting for before the vote.
>
> I therefore do not support his election as Chairman of LACRALO and given
> the
> dictatorial behaviour of the Secretariat, I question their understanding of
> democracy. While these people as personalities are quite hospitable and
> friendly, this rush to politicise LACRALO is not welcomed.
>
> As a person who is accustomed to democratic procedures and process (it is
> my
> daily life), it is beneath my dignity to participate in any organisation
> where the elected think that they have autocratic rule and simple
> democratic
> rules of procedures are unknown. We are not accustomed to this. We are not
> accustomed to people who try to empower themselves to make decisions that
> will impact others and rely on their authority to flout rules and do as
> they
> like.
>
> These matters are too elementary and I have no intention to be
> participating
> in meetings where people are not respected and are expected to do what they
> are told. I left my childhood more that 40 years ago, never to return.
> Therefore my participation in LACRALO will be very minimal if any. I can't
> take the childishness associated with the politicisation of LACRALO.
>
> Finally, in the same way that country coefficients have been applied to
> ensure that each country has only one vote, is the same way that LA should
> not hold all the elected officers. It is LA & C. Right now it is only LA.
> The C is missing and I am among the C. many of my colleagues have taken the
> same position including those that went to CR and therefore, when the
> aftermath of CR should be more participation, we are not even able to
> achieve this given.
>
> I therefore object to this politicisation of LACRALO and give notice that
> not participating is not for lack of interest but in protest of the
> politicisation. I will sit with you at a party, I will sit and chat, but
> not
> at LACRALO meetings until those charged with its management understand how
> to manage in a democratic manner.
>
>
> ROK
> Roosevelt O. King
> Secretary General
> Barbados Association of Non Governmental Organisations
> #10 Garrison, St. Michael
> Barbados, Caribbean
> Tel: 247-822-7707 / 254-5815
> e-mail: admin at bango.org.bb
> Network: http://bangoonline.igloocommunities.com
>



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