[lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!

carlos dionisio aguirre carlosaguirre62 at hotmail.com
Fri Apr 6 00:51:46 UTC 2012


Dear jacqueline. for me this discussion was too much, and I dont want to sick our readers. is yours the last word. bye

Regards.

Carlos Dionisio Aguirre
NCA GNSO Council - ICANN
former ALAC member by LACRALO
Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios
Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina -
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> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 20:25:13 -0400
> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
> From: jam at jacquelinemorris.com
> To: carlosaguirre62 at hotmail.com
> CC: josefranciscoarce at gmail.com; lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> 
> It might be a language thing, but I have no idea what you mean by
> "actualization" in this context.
> Defn: to make actual  or real; turn into action or fact.
> How can a vote according to a process NOT turn into fact, if the fact
> is defined as being created by the action of voting?
> 
> There's a process, everything was done according to the process,
> that's fair and transparent. If any changes need to be done, there's
> processes for that too (working groups).
> 
> I don't see how my mind is not open, as I have not put MY pov at all,
> as to whether it should be changed or not. I have made no value
> judgements, only attempted to remind people what the process is, so
> that it can be applied fairly and consistently (extremely  important
> for transparency)
> 
> Jacqueline A. Morris
> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and
> Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 7:44 PM, carlos dionisio aguirre
> <carlosaguirre62 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > jacqueline. please understand my POV, open your mind, is not a legal
> > position. rules and processes need a permanent actualization. All of this
> > due to the evolution and the problems that arise in the movement to the
> > future. changes occurs. I know there are WG in progress, it gives more
> > meaning to what I say.
> >
> >
> > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre
> >
> > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN
> > former ALAC member by LACRALO
> > Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios
> > Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina -
> > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423
> > http://ar.ageiadensi.org
> >
> >
> >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:26:12 -0400
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
> >> From: jam at jacquelinemorris.com
> >> To: carlosaguirre62 at hotmail.com
> >> CC: josefranciscoarce at gmail.com; lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >
> >>
> >> Carlos,
> >> Please...
> >> Read the rules, read the process, read the archives, the precedents,
> >> and read the response from the staff. It's not just my POV, it's the
> >> actual process. It's put down in plain language, not legalese. It has
> >> been followed for every single one of he ALSes currently accredited.
> >> To try to make a change now is passing strange. What about the other
> >> ALSes that were accredited at the same meeting on March 14th; or even
> >> all the other ALSes that were accredited. For example, we can refer to
> >> the AF and EU Ralo meetings in Lisbon in 2007, or the LAC and NA
> >> meetings in San Juan also in 2007, at which ALSes were accredited and
> >> immediately participated in meetings and decisions without any
> >> courtesy email being sent.
> >> Or any of the other ALSes who NEVER received a courtesy email upon
> >> accreditation, as this process was not in place until after the first
> >> RALOs were formed.
> >>
> >> Of course, if you wish to implement such rules, in the interest of
> >> transparency as you say, there are working groups currently in
> >> progress that are looking at things like this. Join one, or more than
> >> one.
> >>
> >> Jacqueline A. Morris
> >> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and
> >> Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 5:36 PM, carlos dionisio aguirre
> >> <carlosaguirre62 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Jaqueline: What Carlos said is true! only different than your point of
> >> > view.  On the other side, Applicant Organizations becomes an ALS via a
> >> > certain
> >> > process. That process NOT FINISH, or at least COULD NOT FINISH with the
> >> > vote
> >> > of the ALAC. All of this because the communication of this act, after to
> >> > be
> >> > it done, is esential to give publicity (TO ALL) of the same fact. This
> >> > is
> >> > TRANSPARENCY  ! - a true transparency -
> >> >
> >> > Im very Interested on my near future participation, to create a WG or
> >> > something like that, in charge to control and to do interpretation of
> >> > Bylaws
> >> > rules and O.P rules, because there are many rules unfulfilled or
> >> > violated in
> >> > many ICANN ACs/SOs, and there are no sanctions for that, this is, on my
> >> > point of view, a serious situation to solve. Im seeing a very strange
> >> > manage
> >> > of the rules and using it in order to satisfy some interests.
> >> >
> >> > I learnt in my ICANN life, that there are many opinions  and differents
> >> > point of view, and not always my own opinion is the best, perhaps many
> >> > others understand this. Im sure we can build a better organization.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre
> >> > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN
> >> > former ALAC member by LACRALO
> >> > Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios
> >> > Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina -
> >> > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423
> >> > http://ar.ageiadensi.org
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:07:13 -0400
> >> >
> >> >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
> >> >> From: jam at jacquelinemorris.com
> >> >> To: josefranciscoarce at gmail.com
> >> >> CC: carlosaguirre62 at hotmail.com; lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Jose
> >> >> Sorry to have to disagree with you, but what Carlos wrote is NOT true.
> >> >>
> >> >> The rules are very clear. An ALS becomes an ALS via a certain
> >> >> process. That process TERMINATES with the vote of the ALAC.
> >> >> That vote in favor of the organisation becoming an ALS, and that vote
> >> >> ALONE is what is necessary to have an organisation become a ALS and
> >> >> hence part of the RALO structure.
> >> >> As such, all the ALSes certified in the vote on March 14th were, at
> >> >> the close of the vote and the announcement of the results of such
> >> >> vote, ALSes, and welcomed as such into the At Large by the Chair of
> >> >> the ALAC. I was there, I saw it happen. There can be no dispute as to
> >> >> whether those ALSes were, from that moment, active and participating
> >> >> ALSes in the RALO system.
> >> >>
> >> >> So, given that the GA began AFTER that vote, all ALSes certified by
> >> >> ALAC, including those certified on the same day, were eligible to
> >> >> participate, and did so.
> >> >>
> >> >> It's extremely clear on reading the documents, as is the fact that the
> >> >> Welcome email that sparked all this circular discussion and
> >> >> supposition is a Welcome email to the new ALS, a COURTESY, that
> >> >> explains a bit about the AtLarge. It has nothing to do with the
> >> >> process of certifying an organisation to be an ALS or not.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jacqueline A. Morris
> >> >> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and
> >> >> Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:46 AM, José Francisco Arce
> >> >> <josefranciscoarce at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > It is true what Carlos Aguirre said about the previous notificatión
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > publicity, but what happend in this particulary situation is that in
> >> >> > Costa
> >> >> > Rica the President and Secretariat of LACRALO were ask for the
> >> >> > regional
> >> >> > advice for ISOC T&T, and then ALAC voted for that. When ISOC T&T was
> >> >> > aprove,
> >> >> > the presidnte of that organization ask me personally if it would be
> >> >> > possible
> >> >> > that ISOC T&T can participate in the events in Costa Rica. I found no
> >> >> > reason
> >> >> > to deny this request, ALAC desicion had already been taken,  and
> >> >> > representatives were there in the meeting. So notificatión and
> >> >> > publicity
> >> >> > was
> >> >> > taken because the ALAC meeting is public and everyone should have
> >> >> > been
> >> >> > there.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Maybe was my mistake for not send an information email to the list
> >> >> > adressing
> >> >> > this issue to formalize it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Please let me know if someone have any doubt about this.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Kind Regards
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Jose Arce.-
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 2012/4/5 carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62 at hotmail.com>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Jacqueline. The communication, more than to be a simple courtesy, is
> >> >> >> important for a validity of act, because it  give notice to our end
> >> >> >> users in
> >> >> >> the region, and All around the world,  of the ALS certification and
> >> >> >> give the
> >> >> >> transparency needed and mandatory in our ICANN bylaws. After to
> >> >> >> notify
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> ALS certification, and not receive it any objection, the ALS can
> >> >> >> participate
> >> >> >> actively. Before that, the act of certification is unknown for the
> >> >> >> end
> >> >> >> users
> >> >> >> and the transparency needed is not completed.
> >> >> >> It is my point of view, and of course could be discussed. Carlos
> >> >> >> Dionisio
> >> >> >> Aguirre
> >> >> >> NCA GNSO Council - ICANN
> >> >> >> former ALAC member by LACRALO
> >> >> >> Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios
> >> >> >> Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina -
> >> >> >> *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423
> >> >> >> http://ar.ageiadensi.org
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:53:15 -0400
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
> >> >> >> From: jam at jacquelinemorris.com
> >> >> >> To: carlosaguirre62 at hotmail.com
> >> >> >> CC: lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org;
> >> >> >> cintra.sooknanan at gmail.com
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> As I'm not a lawyer, maybe there's something I missed, but from what
> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> know as ALAC procedures, from sitting on both the Interim ALAC, as
> >> >> >> well
> >> >> >> as
> >> >> >> ALAC and being Chair of both, the ALS is certified at the end of the
> >> >> >> ALAC
> >> >> >> vote, and fully able to participate, and the welcome email is simply
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> courtesy.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> However, given that Cintra was NOT the ISOCTT rep at the GA, but
> >> >> >> rather, a
> >> >> >> rep of an ALS certified since 2006, I think your point about her
> >> >> >> participation in the GA being null and void fails based on this
> >> >> >> reason
> >> >> >> as
> >> >> >> well.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> My $0.02
> >> >> >> Jacqueline
> >> >> >> On Apr 4, 2012 11:57 PM, "carlos dionisio aguirre"
> >> >> >> <carlosaguirre62 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your
> >> >> >> participatíon
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> LACRALO GA. All of this because as you  know as lawyer, the previous
> >> >> >>  notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in  this
> >> >> >> case
> >> >> >> and due to lack of  communicatión of ALS certification, your
> >> >> >> participatíon
> >> >> >> and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions
> >> >> >> must
> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> revised.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to
> >> >> >> do
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> correct things.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> And i want to see who are responsible  for serious errors commíted.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Carlos Aguirre.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry®
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan at gmail.com>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> To: <lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the
> >> >> >> general
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> assembly and it was dealt with then.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or
> >> >> >> staff
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some
> >> >> >> delay
> >> >> >> (i'm
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this
> >> >> >> email.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Regards
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Cintra
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >  Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
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> >> >> >> >  From: salgueiro.jo at gmail.com
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >  I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification
> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > acceptance of this
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >  ALS is permitiparticipar that the Assembly three weeks ago.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >  I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just
> >> >> >> > something
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >  is not clear when it comes to transparency
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> >> >> >> >  JosOvidio Salgueiro A.
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> >> >> >> >  At-Large Staff
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> >> >> >> >  Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm
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> >> >> >> >  To: Cintra Sooknanan
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> >> >> >> >  CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev
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> >> >> >> >  The At-Large Advisory Committee
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> >> >> >> >  www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org>
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> >> >> >> >  staff at atlarge.icann.org
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> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________
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> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> >> >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en
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> >> >> >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en
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