[lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!

Jacqueline Morris jam at jacquelinemorris.com
Thu Apr 5 23:26:12 UTC 2012 

Carlos,
Please...
Read the rules, read the process, read the archives, the precedents,
and read the response from the staff. It's not just my POV, it's the
actual process. It's put down in plain language, not legalese. It has
been followed for every single one of he ALSes currently accredited.
To try to make a change now is passing strange.  What about  the other
ALSes that were accredited at the same meeting on March 14th; or even
all the other ALSes that were accredited. For example, we can refer to
the AF and EU Ralo meetings in Lisbon in 2007, or the LAC and NA
meetings in San Juan also in 2007, at which ALSes were accredited and
immediately participated in meetings and decisions without any
courtesy email being sent.
Or any of the other ALSes who NEVER received a courtesy email upon
accreditation, as this process was not in place until after the first
RALOs were formed.

Of course, if you wish to implement such rules, in the interest of
transparency as you say, there are working groups currently in
progress that are looking at things like this. Join one, or more than
one.

Jacqueline A. Morris
Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and
Free. (after Chris Lehmann )



On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 5:36 PM, carlos dionisio aguirre
<carlosaguirre62 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Jaqueline: What Carlos said is true! only different than your point of
> view.  On the other side, Applicant Organizations becomes an ALS via a
> certain
> process. That process NOT FINISH, or at least COULD NOT FINISH with the vote
> of the ALAC. All of this because the communication of this act, after to be
> it done, is esential to give publicity (TO ALL) of the same fact. This is
> TRANSPARENCY  ! - a true transparency -
>
> Im very Interested on my near future participation, to create a WG or
> something like that, in charge to control and to do interpretation of Bylaws
> rules and O.P rules, because there are many rules unfulfilled or violated in
> many ICANN ACs/SOs, and there are no sanctions for that, this is, on my
> point of view, a serious situation to solve. Im seeing a very strange manage
> of the rules and using it in order to satisfy some interests.
>
> I learnt in my ICANN life, that there are many opinions  and differents
> point of view, and not always my own opinion is the best, perhaps many
> others understand this. Im sure we can build a better organization.
>
>
> Carlos Dionisio Aguirre
> NCA GNSO Council - ICANN
> former ALAC member by LACRALO
> Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios
> Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina -
> *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423
> http://ar.ageiadensi.org
>
>
>> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:07:13 -0400
>
>> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
>> From: jam at jacquelinemorris.com
>> To: josefranciscoarce at gmail.com
>> CC: carlosaguirre62 at hotmail.com; lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>
>>
>> Jose
>> Sorry to have to disagree with you, but what Carlos wrote is NOT true.
>>
>> The rules are very clear. An ALS becomes an ALS via a certain
>> process. That process TERMINATES with the vote of the ALAC.
>> That vote in favor of the organisation becoming an ALS, and that vote
>> ALONE is what is necessary to have an organisation become a ALS and
>> hence part of the RALO structure.
>> As such, all the ALSes certified in the vote on March 14th were, at
>> the close of the vote and the announcement of the results of such
>> vote, ALSes, and welcomed as such into the At Large by the Chair of
>> the ALAC. I was there, I saw it happen. There can be no dispute as to
>> whether those ALSes were, from that moment, active and participating
>> ALSes in the RALO system.
>>
>> So, given that the GA began AFTER that vote, all ALSes certified by
>> ALAC, including those certified on the same day, were eligible to
>> participate, and did so.
>>
>> It's extremely clear on reading the documents, as is the fact that the
>> Welcome email that sparked all this circular discussion and
>> supposition is a Welcome email to the new ALS, a COURTESY, that
>> explains a bit about the AtLarge. It has nothing to do with the
>> process of certifying an organisation to be an ALS or not.
>>
>> Jacqueline A. Morris
>> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and
>> Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:46 AM, José Francisco Arce
>> <josefranciscoarce at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > It is true what Carlos Aguirre said about the previous notificatión and
>> > publicity, but what happend in this particulary situation is that in
>> > Costa
>> > Rica the President and Secretariat of LACRALO were ask for the regional
>> > advice for ISOC T&T, and then ALAC voted for that. When ISOC T&T was
>> > aprove,
>> > the presidnte of that organization ask me personally if it would be
>> > possible
>> > that ISOC T&T can participate in the events in Costa Rica. I found no
>> > reason
>> > to deny this request, ALAC desicion had already been taken,  and
>> > representatives were there in the meeting. So notificatión and publicity
>> > was
>> > taken because the ALAC meeting is public and everyone should have been
>> > there.
>> >
>> > Maybe was my mistake for not send an information email to the list
>> > adressing
>> > this issue to formalize it.
>> >
>> > Please let me know if someone have any doubt about this.
>> >
>> > Kind Regards
>> >
>> > Jose Arce.-
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2012/4/5 carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62 at hotmail.com>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jacqueline. The communication, more than to be a simple courtesy, is
>> >> important for a validity of act, because it  give notice to our end
>> >> users in
>> >> the region, and All around the world,  of the ALS certification and
>> >> give the
>> >> transparency needed and mandatory in our ICANN bylaws. After to notify
>> >> the
>> >> ALS certification, and not receive it any objection, the ALS can
>> >> participate
>> >> actively. Before that, the act of certification is unknown for the end
>> >> users
>> >> and the transparency needed is not completed.
>> >> It is my point of view, and of course could be discussed. Carlos
>> >> Dionisio
>> >> Aguirre
>> >> NCA GNSO Council - ICANN
>> >> former ALAC member by LACRALO
>> >> Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios
>> >> Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina -
>> >> *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423
>> >> http://ar.ageiadensi.org
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:53:15 -0400
>> >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
>> >> From: jam at jacquelinemorris.com
>> >> To: carlosaguirre62 at hotmail.com
>> >> CC: lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org; cintra.sooknanan at gmail.com
>> >>
>> >> As I'm not a lawyer, maybe there's something I missed, but from what I
>> >> know as ALAC procedures, from sitting on both the Interim ALAC, as well
>> >> as
>> >> ALAC and being Chair of both, the ALS is certified at the end of the
>> >> ALAC
>> >> vote, and fully able to participate, and the welcome email is simply a
>> >> courtesy.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> However, given that Cintra was NOT the ISOCTT rep at the GA, but
>> >> rather, a
>> >> rep of an ALS certified since 2006, I think your point about her
>> >> participation in the GA being null and void fails based on this reason
>> >> as
>> >> well.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> My $0.02
>> >> Jacqueline
>> >> On Apr 4, 2012 11:57 PM, "carlos dionisio aguirre"
>> >> <carlosaguirre62 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your participatíon
>> >> in
>> >> LACRALO GA. All of this because as you  know as lawyer, the previous
>> >>  notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in  this
>> >> case
>> >> and due to lack of  communicatión of ALS certification, your
>> >> participatíon
>> >> and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions must
>> >> be
>> >> revised.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to do
>> >> the
>> >> correct things.
>> >>
>> >> And i want to see who are responsible  for serious errors commíted.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Carlos Aguirre.
>> >>
>> >> Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry®
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >>
>> >> From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan at gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36
>> >>
>> >> To: <lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>> >>
>> >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the
>> >> general
>> >>
>> >> assembly and it was dealt with then.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the
>> >>
>> >> responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or
>> >> staff
>> >>
>> >> to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify
>> >>
>> >> that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some delay
>> >> (i'm
>> >>
>> >> assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this
>> >> email.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Cintra
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >> > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
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>> >> >
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>> >> >  Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
>> >>
>> >> >  From: salgueiro.jo at gmail.com
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> >  I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification of
>> >>
>> >> > acceptance of this
>> >>
>> >> >  ALS is permitiparticipar that the Assembly three weeks ago.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> >  I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just
>> >> > something
>> >>
>> >> >  is not clear when it comes to transparency
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> >  JosOvidio Salgueiro A.
>> >>
>> >> >  salgueiro.jo @ gmail.com
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>> >> >  ----- Original Message -----
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>> >> >  From: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
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>> >> > ICANN
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>> >> >  At-Large Staff
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>> >> >  Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm
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>> >> >  To: Cintra Sooknanan
>> >>
>> >> >  CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev
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