[lac-discuss-en] my comments related the ammendment

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 Subject: Re: my comments related the ammendment 
 From: apisan at unam.mx

 Carlton, 


 At This hour I think you will show much better Those values \u200b\u200bby putting concrete on the Proposals table, new or old. 


 At this time, I think the attachment to those values \u200b\u200bshown much better by tabling concrete proposals, new or old. 


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 From: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels @ gmail.com] 
 Posted on: Monday, March 5, 2012 13:36 
 To: Vanda UOL 
 CC: Heidi Ullrich, LAC DISCUSS; lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org 
 Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] [lac-discuss-en] my comments related the ammendment 


 Dear Vanda: 
 When I saw The Proposal and Knowing the background on the so-Called WG and 
 Several Proposals the, That I Had Concluded Eventually What was Delivered 
 Thorough WAS cynicism. It was a vexation to the spirit. So I Concluded That 
 for me, the optimal response is That I Shall be stuck 'mute of malice'. 


 Seeing your contribution has allowed me the space to change my mind. I too 
 share your general Concerns With These Proposals. And I support the 
 You have provided Explanations in Their Almost all details, Including the 
 remedial suggestions.


 Your intervention Demonstrates a deep Understanding of the values \u200b\u200bwe expect 
 Should a multistakeholder project governance model and the Means by Which 
 That Could be achieved. 


 Best, 
 - Carlton 


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 On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Vanda UOL <vanda at uol.com.br> wrote: 


> Here my analysis to share with you all related to the proposal amendments.
> I
> am not sure due my commit with NOMCOMM if I will will be able to
> participate
> in all sessions, so I decided to share my opinions with all of you.
>
> Point I have something to say in highlight below.
>
> Thanks
>
>  VANDA
>
>
>  Points proposed by one group
>
> My comments
>
>
> 1)      the right of ALSes to vote in LACRALO affairs determined by a
> minimum level of participation
>
> This is positive
>
>
> 2)       working languages expanded to French and Portuguese
>
> I don´t see need and may be too expensive.  But this is not a main concern.
> ( but I don´t see APRALO working in the  more than 20 languages they have
> there
>
>
> 3)      removes the concept of operating by consensus
>
> >From my point of view this is against one of ICANN´s principle – build
> consensus
>
>
> 4)      creation of Vice President
>
>  Those persons  cannot be added to the normal representation at ALAC
> without
> the decision of ALAC itself.  Not for LACRALO to decide. See also below on
> item  8
>
>
> 5)      terms of President and Vice President eligible for two terms of 2
> years each
>
> This make some sense, since representation in ALAC demands some degree of
> learning, so one year is short term indeed.  But the second term  shall be
> one  year to allow others to participate.
>
>
> 6)      creation of Vice Secretariat position
>
> Same of vice president
>
>
> 7)      LACRALO would elect 2 persons to serve on ALAC and 2 others as
> their
>
> respective alternates (diversity requirements shall not apply to elected
> ALAC member and their alternate).
>
>  I disagree  -  diversity shall apply. The principles of ICANN states on
> diversity. The concentration of persons from just one country for instance,
> is not democratic neither safe for the organization.  ( imagine if the two
> big countries Mexico and Brazil decide to make a strong movement to take
> over this group, can be control all the positions) really not safe. Must
> have diversity.
>
>
> 8)      The alternate or deputy can assume the ALAC rep in case of any
> inability of the primary ALAC rep
>
> I believe this shall be submitted to ALAC, We cannot decide next time the
> member sent to ALAC meeting is another…
>
>
> 9)      the ALAC member can be re-elected for a 2nd two year term
>
> Reelection has the same principle  1 year for second term to allow others
> to
> participate.
>
>
> 10)   creation of a LACRALO Directory or LACRALO Board with administrative
> and operative functions. This will comprise the persons elected in LACRALO
> (President, Vice-President, Secretary, Deputy Secretary, the two LACRALO
> elected representatives to ALAC and their alternates) and five Policy
> Directors who would lead different working groups within LACRALO and in
> charge of selecting members within their working groups. Policy Directors
> would be elected by the General Assembly by simple majority.
>
>
>
> In my opinion this will mean “ too much generals and no troops to command”
> but no impact at all.
>
>  3 would be good – one member of Caribbean region and two from  Latin
> region – too keep diversity and at same time be reasonable ( there is no
> much members that really works in LACRALO so I don´t believe it will be
> groups enough to work under 5 policy directors). But  not so relevant
>
>
> 11)   establishing that elections can take place virtually
>
> This is good, but  needs clear tools must be available to avoid  one member
> to  vote for all the ALSs under  its “command” -  only allow this after
> check the security of the tool.
>
>
> 12)     amendments would be applicable to existing mandates of President,
> Secretary
>
> I am not in favor of that, only if was to have just one more year term.
>
> Application of the change in benefice of the existing elected members looks
> manipulation.
>
> Same people can be candidate and be elected, but extending the mandate,
> looks not democratic. That´s the way ditactors use to keeping in place…
> Totally against.
>
>
> 13)   The constitution of the Board of LACRALO be held after the first
> election to be held immediately at the time of these amendments be
> approved.
>
>  Not so relevant.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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