[lac-discuss-en] Fwd: ALAC Statement on the New gTLDs
apisan at unam.mx
apisan at unam.mx
Thu Dec 29 18:07:41 UTC 2011
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Subject: Re: Fwd: ALAC Statement on the New gTLDs
From: apisan at unam.mx
Sergio,
the thing is so severe that I will quote Milton Mueller ... http://blog.internetgovernance.org/blog/_archives/2011/12/29/4968272.html makes it very clear I think what I said - and I'm not the only one, and who know me know that for me located on the same side in a cuestin Milton take much.
We do not have to share the same view: l has long made clear that his is liberal, not democrtico.
We need not "believe" in the benefits of a large increase in the number of gTLDs or few.
We must believe in our own processes.
If we believe that the process or our principles or interests have been violated in a serious way and decide we have to put even our universe out of ICANN.
I do not think debammos to join emprersas corporate interests that had ALL the necessary information and all the opportunities to intervene in the ltimoms conceivable 15 years, even if expressed to travs character of government and institutions join respected by all as the Red Cross or - quizs - the YMCA.
The more I think we can do is ask the ICANN Board extreme caution not to give ilegtimos interests and quizs to join the fledgling initiative Avri Doria to establish a surveillance "citizen" on the process, but I think in a more profound ANALYSIS find that it is also something duplicacin who are already agreed processes: ICANN ARE monitoring it, and we have to most relevant to our role in the process insertndonos knowledge and dedication.
Alejandro Pisanty
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From: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of President Internauta Argentina [presidencia at internauta.org.ar]
Posted on: Wednesdays, December 28, 2011 19:03
To: lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Fwd: [ALAC-Announce] ALAC Statement on the New gTLDs
Alejandro and all: As I heard ad nauseam habrn much
you, I am not in favor of new gTLDs.
Grounds on which I base my position is that I am convinced that
this is just a few and that business is not profitable for most
Internet community (including SMEs and end users), we
spent a lot of money and time to discuss, write, theorize and
Asked about this, so few take advantage of it and one or two
search engine companies generate wealth from its massive utilizacin
once installed in the markets these NGTLD.
Ningn Todava found no citizen or company not engaged in
technology, which tells me that it was imperative to have this or that gTLDs
again, until you started with creating a field of marketing
need not truthful about this, now warm with fear quizs
using the flagship brand of your company as gTLDs, appearing estn
Some quizs wanting to see that it is able to capture this and
before anyone else, he deserves this name ... pear is far from a
"Need for users or businesses" and is very close to the
need a few, who see in this poqusimos potential ALGN
hidden or manifest in other cases large businesses.
To you do not pass the same? had another very different experience
you describe it? would be good to know ...
On the other hand, I understand that I (we) respect everything done by
the two ALAC member of the region that preceded me and the work of
ALAC on the subject well validebates, time and effort on this.
Despus to express what I think I am suffering more than reasonable doubt
on the document of ALAC and to vote, is one of the quizs
few times that I am in doubt about what to do and the truth is that
would be good to hear other voices on this, someone else quizs
opine on what it says ALAC and the debate that is taking place in
Right now, it would be good also a view favored one of the ALAC Member
above who were involved in the issue NGtld.
For now I feel I should abstain.
The 29 to vote, missing hours for this.
Best Regards
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On 12/27/2011 6:23 a.m., Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch escribitbNL> > José, todos,
>
> retomo el tema del voto sobre el borrador de llamado de ALAC en relación con los nuevos gTLDs.
>
> Es de importancia leer los comentarios que otros han vertido en la página Web en la que se consigna el borrador,https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/Updated+ALAC+advice+on+gTLDs+%28DRAFT%29 con contribuciones de personas como Avri Doria.
>
> El contexto actual más amplio viene dado por las voces fundamentalmente de EU - privadas y públicas - que se han expresado a favor de que ICANN altere radicalmente los acuerdos alcanzados hasta ahora y vuelva sustancialmente más lento el ingreso de nuevos gTLDs. El diario New York Times editorializa al respecto y habla de una prueba piloto.
>
> Si ven las contribuciones de colegas como Bret Fausett y otros, en Twitter por ejemplo, y las que ya mecioné en la página de la propuesta, algunos de Uds. pueden llegar a la conclusión de que votar a favor del borrador de ALAC es negar la historia de participación de nuestras organizaciones en el largo proceso de apertura de gTLDs. Quienes hemos tenido enormes reservas, quienes se han opuesto plenamente, y quienes lo han impulsado hemos tenido todas las oportunidades para darle forma y proponer, en particular, un ingreso más gradual de gTLDs que el que se prevé en el programa que empieza en unos 15 o 20 días.
>
> Pienso por ello que hay que tener argumentos muy claros para hacer un esfuerzo en la última trinchera para bajarse del carro y oponerse a su avance. Los puede haber pero deben ser NUESTROS argumentos, imbuidos por esa larga historia.
>
> ¿Los hay? ¿Cuáles son? ¿Quiénes los expresan?
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
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> Desde:lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de José Francisco Arce [josefranciscoarce at gmail.com]
> Enviado el: jueves, 22 de diciembre de 2011 15:21
> Hasta: Natalia Enciso
> CC: LACRALO Español
> Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Fwd: [ALAC-Announce] ALAC Statement on the New gTLDs
>
> *Estimados*:
> La unica herramienta actual que permite la mejor
> comunicacion en los dos idiomas es la lista de LACRALO, por tener
> traduccion instantanea (con sus aciertos y ....). Pero queda abierto el
> dialogo para propuestas nuevas como la de Sergio para que debatamos si son
> mejores o no. Mientras tanto y como no queda mucho tiempo para este tema
> usemos la lista.
>
> Saludos
>
> José Arce.-
>
>
> 2011/12/21 Natalia Enciso<natalia.enciso at gmail.com>
>
>> Buenos días:
>>
>> En la llamada mensual de ALAC del día de ayer se pidió que se discuta en
>> cada RALO sobre el ALAC STATEMENT ON THE NEW GTLDS.
>>
>> Habrá una llamada de ALAC el 6 de enero de 2012 donde se tratará el tema.
>>
>> En la lista se estuvo discutiendo sobre el tema, especificamente sobre
>> "interés público".
>> Sería bueno que se genere un debate en la lista para poder llevar la
>> opinion de LACRALO a esa llamada.
>>
>> Saludos,
>>
>> Natalia
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: ICANN At-Large Staff<staff at atlarge.icann.org>
>> Date: 2011/12/20
>> Subject: [ALAC-Announce] ALAC Statement on the New gTLDs
>> To:"alac-announce at atlarge-lists.icann.org" <
>> alac-announce at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>> Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff<staff at atlarge.icann.org>
>>
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>>
>> Olivier Crépin-Leblond, Chair of the ALAC, has requested that the following
>> message be sent to the ALAC Announce mailing list:
>>
>>
>> Further to today's ALAC call<https://community.icann.org/x/AQrPAQ>, where
>> Evan Leibovitch presented a motion for an ALAC Statement on the New gTLDs,
>> I encourage you to read through<
>>
>> https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/Updated+ALAC+advice+on+gTLDs
>> the Statement<https://community.icann.org/x/AYfbAQ> and discuss it within
>> your regional lists.
>>
>>
>> Additional information about the Statement can be found on the Updated ALAC
>> Advice on gTLDs Workspace<https://community.icann.org/x/AYfbAQ>.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie
>> Peregrine
>> ICANN At-Large Staff
>> E-mail:staff at atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff at atlarge.icann.org>
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