[lac-discuss-en] [lac-discuss-es] Outcome of LACRALO Teleconference -Thursday, 15 September 21:00 UTC

Cintra Sooknanan cintra.sooknanan at gmail.com
Sat Sep 17 01:30:49 UTC 2011


I must be honest that generally when I see these kindof threads running on
the Lacralo list, I ignore them. Not because I do not think it is an
important issue but frankly because I feel it is a waste of my time to
respond and it is not the reason I am involved in Lacralo. On this occasion
though, I feel that I have to agree with Jose Ovidio, the politics of
LACRALO is definitely malignant and indeed a turn off.

I appreciate that at times it is extremely difficult to be contacted and I
myself apologise for not being as active for the past 2.5 months while I was
abroad. But barring such instances we must appreciate the time that
volunteers put into attending calls and it is outright disrespectful for
others not even to care to attend meetings. It is not for anyone on the list
to police and beg others to attend, similarly it is inappropriate for us to
discuss the importance of sending something as simple as an apology for
non-attendance.

We are adults in a professional association and these topics are a waste of
valuable time, resources and brain space. I truly value, respect and enjoy
discussing different points of view on issues pertinent to ICANN and
Internet Governance. So please let us leave the politics to the politicians
and revert to the core principles of Lacralo!

Best

Cintra Sooknanan


2011/9/17 José Ovidio Salgueiro <salgueiro.jo at gmail.com>

> Es verdad, tienen razón Fátima y José en cuanto a que mi crítica no
> contenía
> una propuesta y aquí la hago.
>
> La propuesta es que las personas que constituyen ALSs fantasmas con la
> intención de generar votos y controlar posiciones o que lo hacen de hecho
> controlando votos de otras ALSs dejen de hacerlo y dejen de trabajar para
> su
> beneficio personal y lo hagan para el colectivo.
>
> Está bien tener aspiraciones y están bien y son válidas las alianzas, lo
> que
> no está bien es buscar la vuelta a los estatutos para controlar posiciones
> y
> negociar los porcentajes de votos para lograr uno u otro cambio y muchísimo
> menos amenazar con la división de la institución si no se satisfacen
> ciertas
> demandas.
>
> En cierto que se está tratando de cambiar los estatutos, pero esto tiene un
> año o mas y no se avanza nada por las razones que expuse anteriormente.
> Quienes estuvieron en esa reunión en Singapur saben a lo que me refiero y
> no
> expreso lo que sucedió porque prefiero olvidarlo. Tres horas desperdiciadas
> en las que no se llegó a nada. Y ese malestar lo expresé ahí para que
> quedara clara mi posición.
>
> Se debe rescatar el trabajo de Dev que ha sido excelente y el de Andrés
> Piazza en su momento. En cuanto a José, considero que es una excelente
> persona, capacitada para ejercer el cargo y que apenas comienza en el cargo
> y quien hereda este problema que espero se pueda resolver.
>
>
>
>
> José Ovidio Salgueiro
> salgueiro.jo at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> [mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de José
> Francisco Arce
> Enviado el: viernes, 16 de septiembre de 2011 10:39 a.m.
> Para: carlos dionisio aguirre
> CC: LACRALO Español; lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] Outcome of LACRALO
> Teleconference -Thursday, 15 September 21:00 UTC
>
>  Dear all :  (Spanish below - Español debajo )
>
>
>
> Regarding me, I was very sick the last days and I still have a lot of
> symptoms,
> so I want to apologize for not had been there.
>
>
>
> Regarding the comments of Dev, Carlos, Fatima and Jose, I think they have
> reason, but they also have to propose something to change urgently this
> situation. All criticism must be accompanied with a proposal.
>
>
>
> I partially agree with Jose and Carlos Vera that we discuss a lot of time
> procedural’s things, but they are necessary because with the next changes
> to
> the bylaws we will improve what we are criticizing.
>
>
>
> And if someone of the region thinks that the agenda is not interested
> should propose
> their own topics to be include in the agenda, as Fatima said, because any
> ALS can add different issues. Also I want to note that all agendas have
> policies issues (In public comments and others). Member of the region can
> add topics even in the beginning or in the first minutes of every call.
>
>
>
>
> I do believe the change begins in each of us. So I as a president of
> LACRALO
> I want to called upon to work on the topics you care about and share them
> with the community, not only in calls, also as working groups. Work as a
> team means share and ask for help.
>
>
>
> Looking forward work with all of you to achieve the goals of LACRALO.
>
>
>
> Jose Arce.-
>
> -----------------------------
>
>
> Estimados:
>
>
>
> Respeto a mí, pido las disculpas necesarias, no pude participar por que no
> he estado muy bien de salud y aun tengo muchos síntomas que me impiden
> participar activamente no solo de estos temas sino de otros de mi vida
> particular.
>
>
>
> Respecto los comentarios de Dev, Carlos, José y Fátima creo que tiene
> razón,
> pero deben, a su ves proponer algo para cambiar lo antes posible esta
> situación. Toda crítica debe ir acompañada por una propuesta de mejora.
>
>
>
> Estoy parcialmente de acuerdo con José y Carlos Vera que se discute muchas
> cuestiones procedimentales, pero son necesarias porque las modificaciones a
> los estatutos van a permitir mejorar lo que criticamos.
>
>
>
> Si alguien de la región piensa que la agenda no es interesante debe
> proponer
> sus propios temas para ser incluidos en la agenda, como lo menciona Fátima,
> porque todas las ALS pueden sumar sus temas, incluso se pueden sumar temas
> en los primeros minutos de todas las llamadas mensuales. Y quiero hacer
> notar que todas las agendas tienen temas de políticas (algunas en
> comentario
> publico y otras no)
>
>
>
> Realmente creo que el cambio empieza por cada uno de nosotros. Como
> presidente de LACRALO los invito a trabajar en los temas que a ustedes les
> interesa y que los compartan con los demás miembros de la región, no solo
> en
> las llamadas mensuales, sino también como grupos de trabajo. Trabajar como
> equipo significa compartir y solicitar ayuda.
>
>
>
> A la espera de trabajar con todos ustedes para lograr juntos los objetivos
> de LACRALO.
>
>
>
> Jose Arce
>
>
>
>
> 2011/9/16 carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62 at hotmail.com>
>
> >
> > Hi: How about our representatives? I can accept a sudden event wich make
> > unavailable somebody at the teleconference call, BUT there are many of
> ALS
> > leaders who usually mention the word apology always. The LACRALO call is
> > since the begining the third thursday of every month, is  comunicated and
> re
> > comunicated with enough time, I can not understand, so, what happen, why
> our
> > representatives are repetitives in his/her absenses. They expressed
> her/his
> > commitment but, however are absent in the call. In my country this
> attitude
> > is called irresponsability and lack of compromise. There are others, even
> in
> > the call, who are absents because know nothing about we talk. And finally
> > there are others who directly no send her/his apologies. We need change
> > urgently this situation. I guess. What do you think about, please be
> honest
> > and nothing of apologies, I particularly tired of this attitudes
> >
> > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre
> > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN
> > former ALAC member by LACRALO
> > Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios
> > Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina -
> > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423
> > http://ar.ageiadensi.org
> >
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:54:20 +0100
> > > From: devtee at gmail.com
> > > To: lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Outcome of LACRALO Teleconference
> > -Thursday,    15 September 21:00 UTC
> >  >
> > > Dear All,
> > >
> > > Apologies were also received from Fátima Cambronero and José Arce
> > >
> > > Kind Regards,
> > >
> > > Dev Anand Teelucksingh
> > > LACRALO Secretariat
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:34 AM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh
> > > <devtee at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Dear All,
> > > >
> > > > Regrettably, the LACRALO Teleconference call on Thursday September 15
> > > > 2011 had only 4 persons attending the call:
> > > > Dev Anand Teelucksingh, Cintra Sooknanan, Sylvia Herlin Leite and
> > > > Aislan Vargas with apologies received from
> > > > Sergio Salinas Porto, Natalia Enciso, Alberto Soto and Carlos Vera.
> > > >
> > > > The call was adjourned at 21:30 UTC.
> > > >
> > > > Kind Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Dev Anand Teelucksingh
> > > > LACRALO Secretariat
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:50 AM, Marilyn Vernon <
> > staff at atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
> > > >> Dear All,
> > > >>
> > > >> The next LACRALO Teleconference is scheduled for Thursday, 15
> > September at
> > > >> 21:00 UTC.
> > > >>
> > > >> You may check your local time at:
> > > >>
> >
>
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=LACRALO+Montlhy+Tel
> > > >> econference+%28September+2011%29&iso=20110915T21
> > > >>
> > > >> The agenda (to be updated) and participation details can be found
> at:
> > > >> https://community.icann.org/x/CwKpAQ
> > > >>
> > > >> If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at:
> > > >> staff at atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff at atlarge.icann.org>.
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >>
> > > >> Heidi Ullrich, Gisella Gruber-White, Seth Greene, Marilyn Vernon,
> Matt
> > > >> Ashtiani
> > > >> ICANN At-Large Staff
> > > >>
> > > >>
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