[lac-discuss-en] effective mechanisms of participation
apisan at servidor.unam.mx
apisan at servidor.unam.mx
Tue Nov 16 19:41:46 UTC 2010
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Subject: Re: effective mechanisms of participation
From: apisan at servidor.unam.mx
Carlos,
which is the specific preoccupation on the PDP for Cartagena?
Alexander Pisanty
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Carlos Side wrote:
> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:18:24 -0500 > From: Carlos Side <cveraq at gmail.com> > To: Alexander Pisanty <apisan at servidor.unam.mx> > Cc: Fatima Cambronero <fatimacambronero at gmail.com>, > LAC DISCUSS <lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org>, > "Spanish [ ISO-8859-1 ] LACRALO" <lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] effective mechanisms of participation > > Alx, the PDP always seem to me the part to medular to treat and in which > we must work. > > Carlos > > the 16 of November of 2010 13:33, Alexander Pisanty <apisan at servidor.unam.mx > > wrote: > > > Carlos (Side), > > > > and in that same tonic, which is the subject ICANN noun that more you > > worries that we have well discussed for the meeting of Cartagena? > > > > Alexander Pisanty > > > > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > Dr Alexander Pisanty > > UNAM, Av. University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > > > Tels. +52-(1)-55-5!
105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > > > * My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > > * LinkedIn procases out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > > * Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > > * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, > > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 > > > > * Sees ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org.mx, ISOC http://www.isoc.org > > * Participates in ICANN, http://www.icann.org > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >. > > > > > > On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Carlos Side wrote: > > > > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:41:42 -0500 > > > From: Carlos Side <cveraq at gmail.com> > > > To: Fatima Cambronero <fatimacambronero at gmail.com> > > > Cc: LAC DISCUSS <lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org>, > > > "Spanish [ ISO-8859-1 ] LACRALO" <lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] effective mechanisms of participation > >!
> > > > > > > Then already we are participatin!
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e best form to do it is not to adjetivizar > > > the opinions of others. If somebody wants to support with ideas to motivate > > > participation we can begin to organize to us. > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > the 16 of November of 2010 12:27, Fatima Cambronero < > > > fatimacambronero at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > Carlos, > > > > > > > > I answer to You between lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > the 16 of November of 2010 13:51, Carlos Side <cveraq at gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Fatima, seems important to me your reflections aqui mycommentaries > > > > >>>>> >>>>> 1. We are not speaking of spaces to participate but of motivation >>>>> stops >>>>> to do it. Two totally different things. >>>>> >>>>> > > > > In agreement with which to the space we have it.!
Now, as far as > > > > motivation, > > > > wanted Carlos, is like in the same life. I study, work, bathe, > > > > me > > > > food, because I have in same me, the motivations to do it. No > > > > because the people who live with me it are remembering all > > > > time > > > > and insisting so that it does it. Here he is equal. The motivations stop > > > > to participate, must arise from each one from us, notbecause > > > > other members or representatives of LACRALO is insisting or remembering > > > > that we must participate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2. I participate from the 96 in the international subjects of Internet and >>>>> from first reunion pre Icann. Comparti many spaces yet >>>>> world and anywhere in the world on these subjects, but for a time, >>>>> like >>>>> many, !
nonencounter greater reasons for summits and other spaces, >&g!
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t;> and >>>>> I think that new motivations are required to continue participating and >>>>> is in >>>>> what I set out to work then all when we contributed we want to see >>>>> translated our efforts in realities. >>>>> >>>>> > > > > > > > > enchants to Me that you have all the trajectory that tenés. That affluent speech of > > > > vos. > > > > Although remembering the saying "the important thing is not toarrive, but to stay" > > > > (or > > > > something similar), and having the capacities that tenés, you would have to find > > > > vos > > > > same the motivations to continue participating and toobtain results. > > > > I > > > > I have all the certainty that podés to make it and even obtain that more people > > > > adds/sinks to the participation. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.!
I believe that to develop politicas to promote (tomoticar) >>>>> participation >>>>> always is important. A brief one watched to the interchange of emails of this >>>>> same list shows it, when the subject of the little one is permanent >>>>> participation and the surprise when it is participated in moments of >>>>> decisions and >>>>> has not before been made it by any cause. >>>>> >>>>> > > > > seems to Me that you are not reading my previous mailcompletely. I am to you > > > > commenting the mechanisms to participate. I am telling the Groups you > > > > of > > > > Work and invitándote to that you add yourself/sink. To that you arm a Group even stops > > > > to foment the participation. > > > > Your words sounds to complaints and I do not read that you commit yourself concretely > > > > with > > > > none !
of these mechanisms to participate. > > > > > > &g!
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> > > > 4. I propose: >>>>> >>>>> 4,1 Hacer a rise of the information that we have respect to >>>>> participation in the diverse spaces to initiate the work of >>>>> to analyze >>>>> the causes of (I suppose) the little participation. >>>>> >>>>> Existe algun way simple to find this information asi isnot a >>>>> level >>>>> personal at indicative level by I number of participants by session, >>>>> event, >>>>> etc? >>>>> >>>>> 4,2 Conducir a mini survey to clarify to us so that themembers >>>>> participates and so that they do not make it or they let do it. >>>>> >>>>> 4,3 Establecer mechanisms of compartment of informationto assume >>>>> commitments of responsible participation. Not always all we can >>>>> to participate nor in all the events, sesionres!
, conferences, etc. >>>>> Then >>>>> of algun way we can share information and experiences that motivate a >>>>> others to continue participating. >>>>> >>>>> > > > > To all these things that proponés, podés to make vos same. In > > > > file > > > > of the lists, in the Web of ICANN, AT-Large, in wikis, tenés everything > > > > > > > > information available like beginning to work. Podés to invite a > > > > people > > > > that helps you to do it and that is added in this proposal. To even request > > > > which you do not find the Staff, they is for collaborating with us. Me > > > > seems that while we do not assume each one concrete commitments, and only him > > > > we throw the responsibility to others, we are going to follow with the same level of > > > > participation and motivation. > > > > > > >!
> I understood that if something I did not like, she could!
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to me. Although it was better > > > > if > > > > put to me to work to modify it. That I am doing sincethey do others > > > > members. > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Creo reason why I see, that the subject of the participation is I criticize position >>>>> that >>>>> single two people attend one reunion important calls the attention....
Then >>>>> is not the space to participate the one that makeslack but >>>>> motivation to do it. >>>>> >>>>> > > > > > > > > and vos why you did not attend nor formás part of the WG? The invitation is > > > > made. This Thursday there is a TC on the Baylaws before the TC > > > > monthly. > > > > You sumás to both? > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> If few members do not participate they have a problem. If many >>>>> or >>>>> mayoria does not participate all we have a problem. >>>>> >>>>> > > > > > > > > Comencemos to revert it then.... > > > > > > > > > > > > My five cents. >>>>> >>>>> Carlos Side >>>>> >>>>> > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > > > > > Fat!
ima Cambronero > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> the 16 of November of 2010 11:22, Fatima Cambronero < >>>>> fatimacambronero at gmail.com > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Carlos, >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like comentarte that the mechanism of participation anticipated in >>>>>> LACRALO so that he is effective, implies to participate in >>>>>> teleconferencings >>>>>> monthly, in the lists of discussion, the different Groups from >>>>>> Work and >>>>>> obvious in the votings. >>>>>> If vos for two years not participás of a teleconferencing, youhave been >>>>>> losing the Agenda in which we are working, the consensuses to >>>>>> that >>>>>> we are arriving, the instructions that we are giving, the Groups of!
>>>>>> Work >>>>>> that is arme!
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esult to which it is arrived. >>>>>> Those are the forms that we must to participate and the mechanisms that >>>>>> we want to look for so that she is really effective our participation. >>>>>> >>>>>> In addition, at this moment we are working in the Workgroup of >>>>>> Showcase of Cartagena, in the one of the modification of the Baylwas of >>>>>> LACRALO, >>>>>> several subjects in which are open to Public Commentary also >>>>>> we can think and invitations to participate in different WG that although >>>>>> no >>>>>> is strictly of LACRALO, also exists the possibility of >>>>>> to participate. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the last teleconferencing of the Work group to treat the subject >>>>>> of >>>>>> the Baylaws, lamentably, was single I (and Dev). >>>>!
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Perhaps >>>>>> these work groups were not of your interest, for that reason not you >>>>>> you added to no of them. Or perhaps, when not participating in >>>>>> monthly teleconferencings or to review only some mailsof the list, no >>>>>> you >>>>>> you are finding out its existence. >>>>>> Also a form to improve the participation, is to attend those >>>>>> teleconferencings, to participate in some WG and to collaborate already with which >>>>>> is >>>>>> doing. >>>>>> >>>>>> On the other hand, if to vos it interests to you to love a Work group on >>>>>> Participation, sos totally free to do it, and to summon us to >>>>>> members >>>>>> of LACRALO so that we add ourselves. It is within yourpossibilities, >>>>>> to present/display >>>>>> !
a proposal, ideas, etc. The motivation can arise from vos, towards >>>>>> all >>>>>> we. Then thus all we can contribute. >>>>>> >>>>>> Obvious, I agree with which Jacqueline says. If we understood the idea >>>>>> of which we are immersed in a process bottom-up, the motivations go a >>>>>> to come from we ourself, and we are going away them tolet request to ours >>>>>> representing. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Greetings, >>>>>> >>>>>> Fatima Cambronero >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> the 16 of November of 2010 09:56, Carlos Side <cveraq at gmail.com >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Apparently finished the initial reason that it motivates the discussion, that >>>>>>> was >>>>>>!
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he request of support presented/displayed by several candidates, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> enfrio the interchange of opinions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I proposed to settle down mechanisms to foment the participation and >>>>>>> subject >>>>>>> even is slope to work it, I believe that it must begin with >>>>>>> one >>>>>>> motivation from our representatives and not to wait for proxima takes >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> decisions so that a momentaneo interest arises again stops >>>>>>> to motivate >>>>>>> (or >>>>>>> to demotivate) the participation of many in these instances. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Reitero which we can contribute in an organized work group stops >>>>>>> to motivate >>>>>>> the permanent work.!
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Carlos Side >>>>>>> ISOC Ecuador >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> lac-discuss-is mailing list >>>>>>> lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-is >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.lacralo.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> * Fátima Cambronero * >>>>>> Lawyer-Argentina >>>>>> President Ageia Densi >>>>>> http://ar.ageiadensi.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > * Fátima Cambronero * > > > > Lawyer-Argentina > > > > President Ageia Densi!
> > > > http://ar.ageiadensi.org/ > > > > >!
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