[lac-discuss-en] effective mechanisms of participation

Tue Nov 16 17:43:47 UTC 2010

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Subject: Re: effective mechanisms of participation
From: carlosaguirre62 at hotmail.com

Absolutely Clear, without doubts. Thanks 

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:29:20 +0000 
From: fatimacambronero at gmail.com 
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Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-in ] effective mechanisms of participation 

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Subject: Re: effective mechanisms of participation 
From: fatimacambronero at gmail.com 

Carlos,  

Is to answer to you between lines.  

The 16 of November of 2010 13:51, Carlos Side <cveraq at gmail.com> there am wrote:  > Fatima, your reflections seem important to me aqui my commentaries &gt;&gt; 1. We plows not speaking of spaces to participate but of motivation it stops &gt; to do it. Two totally different things. &gt;  

In agreement with which to the space we have it. Now, ace Officers' Club of Revolutionary Armed Forces ace the motivation,  
Wanted Carlos, is like in the same life. I study, work, bathe,me  
food, because I have in same me, the motivations to do it. No  
because the people who live with me it plows remembering all along  
and insisting under that she does it. Here there am is equal. The motivations stop  
to participate, they must arise from each one from U.S., not because  
to other members or representatives of LACRALO plows insistingor remembering  
that we must participate.  > &gt; 2. International I participate from the 96 in the subjects of Internet and &gt; from first reunion pre Icann. Comparti many spaces yet &gt; world and anywhere in the world on these subjects, but for atime, like &gt; many, to nonencounter to greater reasons for summits and to other spaces, and &gt; I think that new motivations plows required to continue participating and is in &gt; what I Seth out to work then all when we contributed we want to see &gt; translated our efforts in realities. &gt;  

It enchants to me that you have all the trajectory that tenÃ©s. That affluent speech of vos.  
Although remembering the saying "the important thing is not to arrive,but to stay" (or  
something similar), and having the capacities that tenÃƒ&copy;s, youwould have to find vos  
same the motivations to continue participating and to obtain results. I  
Is have all the certainty that podÃƒ&copy;s to make it and even obtain that dwells people  
add/sink to the participation.  > 3. Politicas Is believe that to develop to promote (to to moticar) the participation &gt; always is important. To brief one watched to the interchange of emails of this &gt; same list shows it, when the subject of the little one is permanent &gt; participation and the surprise when it is participated in moments of decisions and &gt; there are not before been made it by any causes &gt;  

It seems to me that you plows not reading my previous mail completely. I a.m. to you  
commenting the mechanisms to participate. I a.m. telling the Groups you of  
Work and invitÃƒ ndote to that you add yourself/sink. To that you arm to Group even stops  
to foment the participation.  
Your words sound to complaints and I do not read that you commit yourself concretely with  
none of these mechanisms to participate.  > 4. I proputs: &gt; &gt; 4.1 Hacer to rise of the information that we have respect to &gt; participation in the to diver spaces to initiate the workto analyze &gt; the you cause of (I suppose) the little participation. &gt; &gt; Existe algun way simple to find this information asi is not AT level&gt; personal AT indicative level by I to number of participants by session, event, &gt; etc? &gt; &gt; 4.2 Conducir to mini survey to clarify to U.S. under that the members &gt; participates and under that they do not make it or responsible they let do it. &gt; &gt; 4.3 Establecer mechanisms of compartment of information to assume &gt; commitments of participation. Not always all we nor dog &gt; to participate in all the events, sesionres, conferences, etc. Then &gt; of algun way we dog share information and experiences that motivate to &gt; others to continue participating. &gt;  

To all these things that proponÃƒ&copy;s, podÃƒ&copy;s to make vos same. In the it cases out  
of the lists, in the Web of ICANN, AT-Large, in wikis, tenÃƒ&copy;s all  
information available like beginning to work. PodÃƒ&copy;s toinvitepeople  
that it helps you to do it and that they plows added in this proposal. To even request  
that you do not find the Staff, they plows for collaborating with U.S.. Me  
it seems that while we do not assume each one makes specific commitments, and only him  
let U.S. throw the responsibility to others, we plows going tofollow with the same level of  
participation and motivation.  

I understood that if something I did not like, she could express to me. Although it was to better if  
there am put to me to work to modify it. That I a.m. doing since they do others  
members.  > &gt; Creo reason why I see, that the subject of the participationis I criticize since &gt; single two people attend one reunion important callsthe attention....  
Then &gt; is not the space to participate the one that makes lackbut &gt; motivation to do it. &gt;  

Nor And vos why you did not attend formÃƒ s part of the WG? Theinvitation is  
made. This Thursday there is to TC on the Baylaws before the monthly TC.  
You sumÃƒ s to both?  > &gt; If few members do not participate they have to problem. If many or&gt; mayoria does not participate all we have to problem. &gt;  

Let U.S. begin to revert it then....  > My five cents. &gt; &gt; Carlos Side &gt;  

Greetings,  

Fatima Cambronero  > &gt; the 16 of November of 2010 11:22, Fatima Cambronero < > fatimacambronero at gmail.com &gt; wrote: > &gt; Carlos, &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I would like comentarte that the mechanism of participation anticipated in &gt; &gt; LACRALO under that there am is effective, implies to participate in the teleconferencings &gt; &gt; monthly, in the lists of discussion, the different Work groups and &gt; &gt;obvious in the votings. &gt; &gt; for If vos two years not participÃƒ s of toteleconferencing, you have been &gt; &gt; losing the Agenda in which we plows working, the consensuses to which &gt; &gt; we plows arriving, the instructions that we plows giving, theWork groups &gt; &gt; that is armed, the result to which it is arrived. &gt; &gt; Those is the forms that we mustto participate and the mechanisms that &gt; &gt; we want to look for under that she is really effective our participation. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; In addition, AT this moment we plows working in the Work!
  group of &gt; &gt; Showcase of Cartagena, in the one of the modification of the Baylw! 
 ace of LACRALO, &gt; &gt; is open to Public several Commentary subjects in which also &gt; &gt; we dog think and invitations to participate in different WG that although not &gt; &gt; is strictly of LACRALO, also existsthe possibility of participating. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; In the last teleconferencingof the deal Work group to with the subject &gt; &gt; the Baylaws, lamentably, was single I (and Dev). &gt; &gt;  
Perhaps &gt; &gt; these work groups was not of your interest, for that reason not you &gt; &gt; you added to not of them. Or perhaps, when notparticipating in &gt; &gt; monthly teleconferencings or to review only some mails ofthe list, not you &gt; &gt; you plows finding out its existence. &gt; &gt;Also to form to improve the participation, is to attend those &gt; &gt; teleconferencings, to participate in some WG and to collaborate with which already one is &gt; &gt; doing. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On the to other hand, if to vos it interests to you to love to Work group on &gt; &gt; Participation, sos totally free to do it, and to summon U.S. to the members &gt; &gt; of LACRALO under that we add ourselves. It is within your possibilities, to present/display &gt; &gt; to proposal, ideas, etc. The motivation dog arise from vos, towards all &gt; &gt; we. Then thus all we dog contribute. &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Obvious, I agree with which Jacqueline says. If we understood the idea of &gt!
 ; &gt; which we plows immersed in a process bottom-up, the! 
  motivations goes to &gt; &gt; to eats from we ourself, and we plows going away them to let request to ours &gt; &gt; representing. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Greetings, &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Fatima Cambronero &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; the 16 of November of 2010 09:56, Carlos Side <cveraq at gmail.com>there am wrote: &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; initial Apparently finished the reason that there am motivates the discussion, that was &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; position on the request of support presented/displayed by several candidates, &gt; &gt; &gt; enfrio the interchange of opinions. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I proposed to settle down mechanisms to foment the participation and thesubject &gt; &gt; &gt; even is slope to work it, I believe that it must begin with one &gt; &gt; &gt; motivation from our representatives and not to wait forproxima takes from &gt; &gt; &gt; decisions under that to momentaneo interest arises again tomotivate &gt; &gt;!
  &gt; (or &gt; &gt; &gt; to demotivate) the participation of many in these instances. &gt; &g! 
 t; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Reitero which we dog contribute in an orga! 
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rk group stops &gt; &gt; &gt; to motivate &gt; &gt; &gt; the permanent work. &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Carlos Side &gt; &gt; &gt; ISOC Ecuador &gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________ &gt; &gt; &gt; lac-discuss-is mailing list &gt; &gt; &gt; lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org &gt; &gt; &gt; https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-is &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; http://www.lacralo.org &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; -- &gt; &gt; * FÃƒ tima Cambronero * &gt; &gt; Lawyer-Argentina &gt; &gt; President Ageia Densi &gt; &gt; http://ar.ageiadensi.org/ &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;  

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