[lac-discuss-en] Voting Director AT Large
asoto at ibero-americano.org
asoto at ibero-americano.org
Mon Nov 8 05:33:36 UTC 2010
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Subject: Re: Voting Director AT Large
From: asoto at ibero-americano.org
We agreed Alexander totally.
Greetings
Alberto Grove
Original -----Mensaje
Of: Alexander Pisanty [ mailto:apisan at servidor.unam.mx ]
Sent: Monday, 08 of November of 2010 02:24 a.m.
It stops: alberto grove
CC: ' Fatima Cambroneró; lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org
Subject: RE: [ lac-discuss-is ] Voting Director AT Large
Alberto,
I believe that we can agree in effect in the dramatic lack of
participation, based as well - without disqualifying reasons nor people - on
the insufficient study of the matter, although there will be to vote by
she.
Also I make recognition of the work of Fátima Cambronero, Andrés
Piazza and Sylvia Herlein Leite. Their efforts deserve more echo of ours
part.
Alexander Pisanty
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Dr Alexander Pisanty
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On Mon, 8 Nov 2010, alberto grove wrote:
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 02:19:18 -0300 > From: alberto grove <asoto at ibero-americano.org> > To: ' Fatima Cambroneró <fatimacambronero at gmail.com> > Cc: ' Alexander Pisanty' <apisan at servidor.unam.mx>, > lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: RE: [ lac-discuss-is ] Voting Director AT Large > > Fatima, I believe that quizà s was sufficient no discusión,or participación. > > I value your actuación. > > Greetings > > Alberto Grove > > Of: Fatima Cambronero [ mailto:fatimacambronero at gmail.com ] > Envoy: Domingo, 07 of November of 2010 11:53 p.m. > For: alberto grove > CC: Alexander Pisanty; lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Voting Director AT Large > > > > Alberto, > > I am rereading my mail and I do not see that in ningún place has spoken of an error. > No, we did not receive one información tardÃÂa. In my mail I say that to través of the different lists from ICANN (and in this same list), we always had and!
we have información available. > También I say that the term that was arranged so that the Thin ones are pronounced was of few dÃÂas. http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/b35fa711ç.html and to that información también the all tenÃÂamos available. > Not sé if moment is made everything to último. I am not saying that either. I say that surely we learn to to be mà s diligentes, and now add efficient, with just a short time that sometimes, we arrange to some situations. > > If volvés to read my mail, I say: "Ademà s envió a mail to this list where very few people expressed themselves". Clear that I saw your mail where you expressed yourself supporting to Jean Jacques Subrenat. Me pareció necessary not to enumerate those people. > > To which I am talking about is that opinión of a THIN one is not based on the opinions of two or three people who did not pronounce themselves either nor is a responsibility of a single person. On!
e is based on discusión and the consensus. And it is respon!
sibility
of all we, to participate, to involve to us, to obtain those decisions. > From LACRALO we did not arrive at a consensus in supporting to some of the people who requested our support, or in remaining with the three candidates chosen by the WG, or in not pronouncing to us. > What I am saying, and I return it to repeat in case it is not understood, is that already it was arranged just a short time and probably we were not diligentes (and también I am including) in having a greater interchange of opinions, debates, to arrive at onedecisión from all. And my opinión, sólo my opinión, so và lida as the one of any member of LACRALO, is that now we must remain with the three candidates chosen by the people who took care of all the processof elección. Personally I cannot to say, we support such-and-such candidate because it seems better to me by such reasons. > >  Pensà s that was sufiente debates like so that we pruned to take one decisión from LACRALO? !
> > Greetings, > > Fà tima Cambronero > > > > > the 7 of November of 2010 23:14, alberto grove <asoto at ibero-americano.org> escribió: > > Fatima, as was the error? We received one información tardÃÂa? Of pate of quién? When we interacted to último moment, and we reached these conclusions? To who we must? Everything becomes to último moment? > I contesté immediately after receiving this información. Butnow we do not have time? Where està 3l error? > Greetings > Alberto Grove > > original -----Mensaje > Of: lac-discuss-he is -bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [ mailto:lac-discuss-is -bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org ] In name of Fatima Cambronero > Envoy: Domingo, 07 of November of 2010 10:38 p.m. > For: Alexander Pisanty > CC: lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Voting Director AT Large > > > Alexander, all, > > I am in agreement with vos in the point in which you say that we are not in > conditions for taking!
one decisión by at this moment not to have discussed > the!
suffici
ent east subject, from LACRALO. > > Today overcomes the term to express to us. We already lost our opportunity. > Agreement with Sylvia in which now we must focus in the three candidates > that was chosen by the Work group. > > Those that we participated in the different lists from discusión of ICANN and we were > following all this process, always we had to disposición all > información and already sabÃÂamos that was few dÃÂas thosethat habÃÂa stops > to express to us. (Even, and corrÃÂjanme if I am mistaken, this seems to me that > habló in a teleconferencing). Ademà s envió a mail to this list where > very few people expressed themselves. > información està available for all, the debates està n available > to be initiated by that has interés in doing it, to the space > we have. Responsibility of lÃÂderes is not sólo, is responsibility of > all those that we participated in LACRALO to involve and toparticipate to us. If it does not !
have > interés, to the people cannot be forced.... > Surely this diligentes experience is going to serve all to us to be mà s > (with the times) in próximas situations. > > warm Greetings, > > Fà tima Cambronero > > > > > > the 7 of November of 2010 21:19, Alexander Pisanty > <apisan at servidor.unam.mx>escribió: > > > Adrià n, > > > > I do not believe that we have discussed sufficient the subject like taking one > > decisión at this moment. > > > > Nevertheless if fuébranches to take part seems to me that not habrÃÂa reasons > > sufficient to only support to Avri. > > > > Jean-Jacques Subrenat is an individual extremely experienced whose > > conduct is predictable civil, rational and respectful. Not està bound > > to the world of the businesses of dominion names and its sensitivity to no > > commercial so is elevated as the one of Avri or mà s. > > > > His mérites like director està n widely prove!
n: sense > > estratégico, order in participación,!
listens
divergent positions, > > different sÃÂntesis of positions, clarity of foreseeable consequences in > > implementación of the taken decisions, relations with múltiples > > sectors, capacity of ejecución, and others. > > > > I have worked close by with both in diverse conditions and stages, in > > work groups inside and ICANN (with Avri in subjects of the NCUC > > and mainly in IGF MAG, and with Jean-Jacques in ccNSO Review Working > > Group) reason why I consider to be in posición to emit this opinión like > ex--post-facto >. > > > > I do not believe that "sensitivity to representación" isa sufficient criterion > > for one posición in the Directive Council of ICANN. The capacity of > > to operate of reliable way in organización and to contribute to his > > evolución is as much or important mà s. > > > > Digo the previous thing without resigning to my already expressed reserve in the sense of > > !
that is not hours éstas of the quarter for the twelve to reinventar > > decisions. If we have not had interés or the responsibility or > > knowledge to debate and to decide something in the long time that takes > > opened decisión, by ignorance or any other, nonencounter > > originating to remove the things to the steam with base in a pair from opinions. > > > > > > Mà s is applied to the phrase "à well©sa is the fault,  cuà l is the excuse" > > > > > > Andrés, you have left to a responsibility importantÃÂsima: a judgment rà I request, > > quizà s based on consultations aún mà s rà you request, to decide if this follows > > opened and you highly provide a frame with discusión anddecision making > > participativas, or to declare the dead subject and to stimulate that in > > following we have información sufficient and an active debate with > > anticipación to the decision making.!
Màs proportional leadership to màs > > participació!
n of the
community, induciéndola ifit does not precede it. > > > > > > > > Alexander Pisanty > > > > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > Dr Alexander Pisanty > > UNAM, Av. University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > > > Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > > > * My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > > * LinkedIn procases out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > > * Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > > * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, > > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 > > > > * Sees ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org.mx, ISOC http://www.isoc.org > > * Participates in ICANN, http://www.icann.org > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >. > > > > > > On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Adrian Carballo wrote: > > > > > Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:03:27 -0300 > > > From: Adrian Carballo <ainfodata at gmail.com> > > > To: "!
[ ISO-8859-1 ] Andrés Piazza" <andrespiazza at gmail.com> > > > Cc: lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Voting Director AT Large > > > > > > Dear LACRALO friends, > > > > > > thanks AndrÃ?©s for the email and the reminderof ours > > involvement > > > in this process. > > > > > > Both candidates is very valuable people in ICANN, both have done > > > I contribute excellent. > > > > > > This time I believe that we must support to Avri Doria by the following ones > > > reasons: > > > > > > - Avri has one active participaciÃ?³n in the Non Commercial Constituency > > > from months before it let be to chair of the GNSO. Themmemory that > > > > > deals with one contituency that can well represent the interests of > > ours > > > THIN, in fact if I am not mistaken some in those who participate in this > > list!
> > > is members tambi�¨n of the NCUC, fact that s!
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mpositive actions. > > > > > > - Avri is tambiÃ?©n chair of the Non Commercial Stakeholder Group in > > ICANN, > > > new instituciÃ?²n that I am created after reestructuraciÃ?³n of the GNSO > > does > > > even of aÃ?±os. > > > > > > - Avri is an excellent educational professional and of recognized trajectory > > > world-wide. > > > > > > In the individual I can say to them that it has supported from the beginnings > > > > > "School of the South of Gobernanza de Internet" from principle of the 2007 > > even > > > that we could make the First "School of the South of Gobernanza of > > Internet " > > > in March 2009 in Bs. As.y soon in March of this aÃ?±o in San Pablo, > > Brazil. > > > > > > Since then Avri to collaborated and participated of active way in this > > > project that stops this case I enunciate it as a example in relaciÃ?²n a > >!
; > > > excellent predisposiciÃ?²n that has demonstrated to work in favor of > > ours > > > RegiÃ?²n and of inclusiÃ?²n of users jÃ?³venes in the ICANN process and > > of > > > IGF. > > > > > > Reciban all a warm greeting, > > > AdriÃ? n > > > > > > > > > > > > 2010/11/5 AndrÃ?©s Piazza <andrespiazza at gmail.com> > > > > > > > (english below) > > > > > > > > Considered members of LACRALO, > > > > > > > > In the pasts dÃ?ÂÂas, lÃ?ÂÂderes regional of LACRALO we have received > > > > requests on the part of 2 of the 19 candidates, soliciing the support of > > > > LACRALO to be incluÃ?ÂÂdos in Ã?ºltima ready of candidates for > > > > posiciÃ?³n > > > > of Voting Director on the part of AT Large. > > > > > > > > As it were mentioned in a mail passed to the list, anyone of!
the 19 > > > > candidates who not est� n in the !
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st of candidates for > > posiciÃ?³n, > > > > can be added to the same one by one peticiÃ?³n from 3 Thin ones, so > > > > like > > > > can be observed in the Space for Director of AT Large: > > > > > > > > > > https://community.icann.org/display/DirCan/At-Large+Director+Candidate+2010+Workspace > > > > > > > > Both candidates who ask for support is Jeanââ"¬ Jacques Subrenat and > > Avri > > > > Doria. > > > > > > > > Nobody decisiÃ?³n that we pruned to take deberÃ?ÂÂa to be previous to the 7 of > > November, > > > > on: > > > > > > > > - Peticionar by some of the 19 candidates. > > > > - not to peticionar. > > > > > > > > Warm Greetings, > > > > > > > > AndrÃ?©s Piazza - Dev Anand > > > > President and Secretary of LACRALO > > > > > > > > > > > !
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > In the past days, regional LACRALO leaders have received requests from > > two > > > > of the 19 candidates, asking for LACRALOââ"¬â"¢s support to include them in > > the > > > > final slate of candidates for the AT-Large Director position. > > > > > > > > Ace mentioned in a previous email to the list, any one of the 19 > > candidates > > > > not on the final slate of candidates for the AT-LargeDirectorââ"¬â"¢s > > position > > > > final dog be added to the slate of candidates by to petition from 3 > > Thin. > > > > The AT Large Director Workspace AT > > > > > > > > > > https://community.icann.org/display/DirCan/At-Large+Director+Candidate+2010+Workspace > > > > > > > > The two candidates asking for LACRALO support plows Jeanââ"¬ Jacques > &g!
t; Subrenat and > > > > Avri Doria. > > > > !
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gt; > We have to decides by November 7 on to whether LACRALO: > > > > > > > > - should petition for any of the 19 candidates. > > > > - not petition AT all > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Andr�©s Piazza - Dev Anand > > > > LACRALO Chair and Secretariat > > > > > > > > -- > > > > * Andr�©s Piazza * > > > > www.andrespiazza.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > > > lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-is > > > > > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > > lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-dis!
cuss-is > > > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-is > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > > > > -- > * FÃ tima Cambronero * > Lawyer-Argentina > President Ageia Densi > http://ar.ageiadensi.org/ > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-is > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > > > -- > FÃ tima Cambronero > Lawyer-Argentina > President Ageia Densi > http://ar.ageiadensi.org/ > >
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