[lac-discuss-en] Voting Director AT Large

asoto at ibero-americano.org asoto at ibero-americano.org
Mon Nov 8 05:20:57 UTC 2010


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Subject: Re: Voting Director AT Large
From: asoto at ibero-americano.org

Fatima, I believe that perhaps there was no sufficient discussion, or participation. 
 
I value your performance. 
 
Greetings 
 
Alberto Grove 
 
Of: Fatima Cambronero [ mailto:fatimacambronero at gmail.com ]  
Sent: Domingo, 07 of November of 2010 11:53 p.m. 
He stops: alberto grove 
CC: Alexander Pisanty; lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org 
Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Voting Director AT Large 
 
 
 
Alberto, 
 
I am rereading my mail and I do not see that in no place it has spoken of an error.  
No, we did not receive a delayed information. In my mail I say that through the different lists from ICANN (and in this same list), we always had and we have the information available.  
Also I say that the term that was arranged so that the Thin ones are pronounced was of few days http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/b35fa711ç.html and to that all information also we had it available. 
I do not know if everything at last moment becomes. I am not saying that either. I say that surely we learn to being diligentes, and now add efficient, with just a short time that sometimes, we arrange to some situations. 
 
If volvés to read my mail, I say: "In addition a mail was sent to this list where very few people expressed themselves". Clear that I saw your mail where you expressed yourself supporting to Jean Jacques Subrenat. It did not seem necessary to me to enumerate those people.  
 
To which I am talking about is that the opinion of a THIN one is not based on the opinions of two or three people who did not pronounce themselves either nor is a responsibility of a single person. One is based on the discussion and the consensus. And it is responsibility ofall we, to participate, to involve to us, to obtain those decisions.  
>From LACRALO we did not arrive at a consensus in supporting to some ofthe people who requested our support, or in remaining with the three candidates chosen by the WG, or in not pronouncing to us. 
What I am saying, and I return it to repeat in case she is not understood, is that already she was arranged just a short time and probably we were not diligentes (and also I am including) in having a greater interchange of opinions, debates, to arrive at a decision fromall. And my opinion, only my opinion, as valid as the one of any member of LACRALO, is that now we must remain with the three candidates chosen by the people who took care of all the process of selection. Personally I cannot to say, we support such-and-such candidate because it seems better to me by such reasons. 
 
Pensás that was sufiente debates like so that we pruned to make a decision from LACRALO?  
 
Greetings, 
 
Fátima Cambronero 
 
 
 
 
The 7 of November of 2010 23:14, alberto grove <asoto at ibero-americano.org> it wrote: 
 
Fatima, as was the error? We received a delayed information? Of pate of whom? When we interacted at last moment, and we reached these conclusions? To who we must? Everything becomes at last moment? 
I answered immediately after receiving this information. But now we donot have time? Where error is 3l? 
Greetings 
Alberto Grove 
 
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Sent: Domingo, 07 of November of 2010 10:38 p.m. 
He stops: Alexander Pisanty 
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Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Voting Director AT Large 
 
 
Alexander, all, 
 
I am in agreement with vos in the point in which you say that we are not in 
conditions for making a decision by at this moment not to havediscussed 
the sufficient east subject, from LACRALO. 
 
Today it overcomes the term to express to us. We already lost our opportunity. 
Agreement with Sylvia in which now we must focus in the three candidates 
that they were chosen by the Work group. 
 
Those that we participated in the different lists from ICANN discussion and we were 
following all this process, always we had to disposition all 
information and already we knew that those were few days that were stops 
to express to us. (Even, and corríjanme if I am mistaken, this seems to me that 
it spoke in a teleconferencing). In addition a mail was sent to this list where 
very few people expressed themselves. 
The information is available for all, the debates are available 
to be initiated by who has interest in doing it, to the space 
we have. It is not only responsibility of the leaders, is responsibility of 
all those that we participated in LACRALO to involve and to participate to us. If it does not have 
interest, to the people cannot be forced.... 
Surely this experience is going to serve all to us to be diligentes 
(with the times) in next situations. 
 
Warm greetings, 
 
Fátima Cambronero 
 
 
 
 
 
The 7 of November of 2010 21:19, Alexander Pisanty 
<apisan at servidor.unam.mx>he wrote: 
> Adrián, > > I do not believe that we have discussed sufficient the subject like taking one > decision at this moment. > > Nevertheless if we went to take part seems to me that there would not be reasons > sufficient to only support to Avri. > > Jean-Jacques Subrenat is an individual extremely experiencedwhose > conduct is predictable civil, rational and respectful. It isnot bound > to the world of the businesses of dominion names and its sensitivity to no > commercial so is elevated as the one of Avri or more. > > Its merits as director is widely proven: sense > strategic, order in the participation, listens divergent positions, > different syntheses of positions, clarity of foreseeable consequences in > the implementation of the taken decisions, relations with manifold > sectors, capacity of execution, and others. > > I have worked close by with both in diverse conditions and stages, in > work groups inside and ICANN (with Avri in subjects of the NCUC > and mainly in IGF!
  MAG, and with Jean-Jacques in ccNSO ReviewWorking > Group) reason why I consider to be On guard to express this opinion like 
ex--post-facto &gt;. > > I do not believe that "sensitivity to the representation" isa sufficient criterion > for a position in the Directive Council of ICANN. The capacity of > to operate of reliable way in the organization and to contribute to his > evolution is as much or more important. > > Digo the previous thing without resigning to my already expressed reserve in the sense of > that is not hours these of the quarter for the twelve to reinventar > decisions. If we have not had the interest or the responsibility or > knowledge to debate and to decide something in the long timethat takes > opened the decision, by ignorance or any other, nonencounter > originating to remove the things to the steam with base in apair from opinions. > > > Rather is applied to the phrase "that one is the fault, which is the excuse" > > > Andrés, you have left the most important responsibility: afast judgment, > perhaps based on still more fast consultations, to decide if this follows > open!
 ed and you highly provide a frame with discussion and decision making > participativas, or to declare the dead subject and to stimulate that in > following we have sufficient information and an active debate with > anticipation to the decision making. More proportional leadership to more > participation of the community, inducing it if it does not precede it. > > > > Alexander Pisanty > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Dr Alexander Pisanty > UNAM, Av. University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > * My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > * LinkedIn procases out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > * Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 > > * Sees ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org.mx, ISOC http://www.isoc.org > * Participates in ICANN, http://www.icann.org >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >!
 . > > > On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Adrian Carballo wrote: > > &gt; Da!
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 7 Nov 2010 21:03:27 -0300 > &gt; From: Adrian Carballo <ainfodata at gmail.com> > &gt; To: "[ ISO-8859-1 ] Andrés Piazza" <andrespiazza at gmail.com> > &gt; Cc: lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org > &gt; Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Voting Director AT Large > &gt; > &gt; Dear LACRALO friends, > &gt; > &gt; thanks AndrÃ&copy;s for the email and the reminder of ours > involvement > &gt; in this process. > &gt; > &gt; Both candidates is very valuable people in ICANN, both have done > &gt; I contribute excellent. > &gt; > &gt; This time I believe that we must support to Avri Doria bythe following ones > &gt; reasons: > &gt; > &gt; - Avri has one active participación in the Non Commercial Constituency > &gt; from months before it let be to chair of the GNSO. Them memory that > > &gt; deals with one contituency that can well represent the interests of > ours > &gt; THIN, in fact if I am not mistaken some in those who participate in this > list > &gt; is members tambièn of!
  the NCUC, fact that single sum positive actions. > &gt; > &gt; - Avri is tambiÃ&copy;n chair of the Non Commercial Stakeholder Group in > ICANN, > &gt; new instituciòn that I am created after reestructuración of the GNSO > does > &gt; even of años. > &gt; > &gt; - Avri is an excellent educational professional and of recognized trajectory > &gt; world-wide. > &gt; > &gt; In the individual I can say to them that it has supportedfrom the beginnings > > &gt; "School of the South of Gobernanza de Internet" from principle of the 2007 > even > &gt; that we could make the First "School of the South of Gobernanza of > Internet " > &gt; in March 2009 in Bs. As.y soon in March of this año in San Pablo, > Brazil. > &gt; > &gt; Since then Avri to collaborated and participated of active way in this > &gt; project that stops this case I enunciate it as a example in relaciòn a > > &gt; excellent predisposiciòn that has demonstrated to work in favor of > ours > &gt; Regi!
 òn and of inclusiòn of users jóvenes in the ICANN pro!
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 > of > &gt; IGF. > &gt; > &gt; Reciban all a warm greeting, > &gt; Adrià n > &gt; > &gt; > &gt; > &gt; 2010/11/5 AndrÃ&copy;s Piazza <andrespiazza at gmail.com> > &gt; > &gt; &gt; (english below) > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; Considered members of LACRALO, > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; In the pasts días, líderes regional of LACRALO we have received > &gt; &gt; requests on the part of 2 of the 19 candidates, soliciing the support of > &gt; &gt; LACRALO to be incluídos in última ready of candidatesfor > &gt; &gt; posición > &gt; &gt; of Voting Director on the part of AT Large. > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; As it were mentioned in a mail passed to the list, anyone of the 19 > &gt; &gt; candidates who not està n in the final list of candidates for > posición, > &gt; &gt; can be added to the same one by one petición from 3 Thin ones, so > &gt; &gt; like > &gt; &gt; can be observed in the Space for Director of AT Large: > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; > https://community.icann.org/dis!
 play/DirCan/At-Large+Director+Candidate+2010+Workspace > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; Both candidates who ask for support is Jeanâ? Jacques Subrenat and > Avri > &gt; &gt; Doria. > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; Nobody decisión that we pruned to take debería to be previous to the 7 of > November, > &gt; &gt; on: > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; - Peticionar by some of the 19 candidates. > &gt; &gt; - not to peticionar. > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; Warm Greetings, > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; AndrÃ&copy;s Piazza - Dev Anand > &gt; &gt; President and Secretary of LACRALO > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; Dear all, > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; In the past days, regional LACRALO leaders have received requests from > two > &gt; &gt; of the 19 candidates, asking for LACRALOâ??s support toinclude them in > the > &gt; &gt; final slate of candidates for the AT-Large Director position. > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; Ace mentioned in a previous email to the list, any one of the 19 > c!
 andidates > &gt; &gt; not on the final slate of candidates for!
  the AT-
Large Directorâ??s > position > &gt; &gt; final dog be added to the slate of candidates by to petition from 3 > Thin. > &gt; &gt; The AT Large Director Workspace AT > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; > https://community.icann.org/display/DirCan/At-Large+Director+Candidate+2010+Workspace > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; The two candidates asking for LACRALO support plows Jeanâ? Jacques > Subrenat and > &gt; &gt; Avri Doria. > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; We have to decides by November 7 on to whether LACRALO: > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; - should petition for any of the 19 candidates. > &gt; &gt; - not petition AT all > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; Regards, > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; AndrÃ&copy;s Piazza - Dev Anand > &gt; &gt; LACRALO Chair and Secretariat > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; -- > &gt; &gt; * AndrÃ&copy;s Piazza * > &gt; &gt; www.andrespiazza.com > &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________ > &gt; &gt; lac-discuss-is mailing list > &gt; &gt; lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org > &gt; &gt; ht!
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* Fátima Cambronero * 
 Lawyer-Argentina 
President Ageia Densi 
http://ar.ageiadensi.org/ 
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