[lac-discuss-en] ccTLD CO
jumaropi at yahoo.com
jumaropi at yahoo.com
Tue Apr 20 19:05:39 CDT 2010
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Subject: Re: ccTLD CO
From: jumaropi at yahoo.com
Dear Erick Iriarte,
Kind to its mail of dÃa of the date maintaining the following thing:
“El day of ccTLD co gave yesterday
answer to this post of Ageia Densi. The message was published and soon it was
borradoâ€.
It wanted to inform to him to you and to
Mr. Eduardo Santoyo cómo works blog of Ageia Densi Colombia, and in
general, great part of blogs.
When a person does
commentary to post, in subject ours blog està to moderación of
administrators (mainly común of people makes to avoid that
messages posteen type Spam). Therefore when a visitor does
commentary writes it, sees
message that finishes writing but
generally usually it leaves a legend
type: “Su published sera commentary in breveâ€.
This was what sucedió with the commentary of Mr..
Eduardo Santoyo of dÃa of yesterday. Recién at these same moments
administrator està reviewing the ndolos commentaries and publicÃ, to ALL.
Ageia Densi Colombia defends the freedom of expresión
and the democracy in all its forms. Let us think that the bestway to grow and
to construct as community is the diversity of opinions, specially when
they are different from ours, because we are convinced that sólo from
the diversity we can generate debate and from él, construct consensus.
We were sorry from Ageia Densi Colombia that you
have hurried to draw conclusions without before corroborating cómo happened
really the facts.
RED JUAN MANUEL P
AGEIA DENSI Colombia
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Of: Erick Iriarte Ahon <eiriarte at alfa-redi.org>
It stops: Juan Red Manuel <jumaropi at yahoo.com>
CC: LACRALO Español <lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
Envoy: sea, April 20, 2010 11:20:54 A.M.
Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] ccTLD CO
Hello to all
The day of ccTLD co gave answer yesterday this post of Ageia Densi. The message was published and soon it was erased.
The democracy is based on the unrestricted respect of the ideas of all, those that we do not like, thus we even are against any form of censorship in any form.
But we copied aqui the answer of ccTLD co, like respect to the local and global community of Internet, and as a respect to the democraticosprocesses without censorship.
beginning of message
Some imprecisiones and absences to the truth in artÃÂculo published.
Preocupación is mentioned reason why comodÃÂn†can be “dominio and a vague and errónea argumental lÃÂnea is developed that suggests to illegal contributor one conclusión to him on the subject.
Certainly preocupación of the IANA, the ICANN, the MINTIC and CO Internet is one in which it could have represented the use of prà ctica of the “WILDCARD†or well-known©tambià n like of “comodÃÂn†in the space of CO. In effect these preoccupations cameto the light, first in the pública process of discusión of the polÃÂtica and the process of contratación advanced by the MINTIC, andwere express object of manifestations on the part of ALL the agents before mentioned, leaving sure which we from a habÃÂamos principle same saying, which they are not podrÃÂan to execute prà cticas of “comodÃÂn†in ccTLD CO.
Important Mà s aún is the following commentary of the contributor: “Asàsame, this process and new reality, already comenzó to being exploded commercially, without considering the voice of Colombia, its inhabitants and end users of Internet.â€Â
The recent thing of creación of asociación that sponsors artÃÂculo (April of 2010), or the absence of participación in the públicas and institutionalized activities of debate on the part of some, did not have to justify its ignorance on the development of the managements that in a público process that tomó mà s of 10 años, and equally pública way, served the National Government to define themodel of operations, the polÃÂticas of administración and selección of the organization in charge of administración.
Información on the process està available in Internet for that wants it to consult in http://www.mintic.gov.co/mincom/faces/index.jsp?id=1279. Like conclusión of all the process, we called atención in the saying allàto this pà rrafo in special:
“El Ministry mantendrà under its responsibility definición of polÃÂtica, the activities of control and monitoring of recurso.co. Theattractive Domino.co serà for the registry, specially of compañÃÂas at world-wide level, since recordación facilitates his, crucial element in the trade to través of Internet and authorizes the registry of names of a way brief mà s. That is to say, a dominion namethat is today registered under a third level (empresa.com.co) in the future podrà to be registered in second level (empresa.co)â€Â
It consequently seems important to make a call to the care of the truth, the study of the concepts and the prudence of affirmations that they disinform to the national and international community of Internet.
Thanks.
Eduardo Santoyo
VP, ccTLD Manager
CO Internet SAS
aim of the message
Erick Iriarte Ahon
General Manager - LACTLD
http://www.lactld.org
The 19/04/2010, to 09:10, Juan Red Manuel escribió:
> Good days to all... > Envio the text of declaración on the part of AD Colombia. > > ccTLD co > and preocupación of Ageia Densi Colombia > > Según > parà meters of the in agreement norm of estandarización ISO3166 and > to legislación doméstica Colombian, like Law 1341 of 2009, and the Resolución > 1652 of 2008, to Colombia is identified to him territoriallyin the cyberspace > with ccTLD (Country Code Top Level Domain): co, Ageia Densi Colombia sees with distrust that this dominion is transformed into > “dominio comodÃÂnâ€Â. Globalización of the different local commercial activities > is sólo permissible if acompaña of one “normalización†that it integrates all > activities of the productive chain. Apparently economÃÂa of market can > mà s that good sense. > > That distant discusión on the possibility of > that CO stopped being sólo territorial to become commercialis already one > inescapable certainty. !
The warnings of IANA (Internet Assigned were not enough > Numbers Authority) in its report of November of the 2009 on the dangers of > said comercialización. At this moment they exist around 50 paÃÂses that > tries to reserve to the dominion CO in registries of names that wish to use it > for commercial and related activities. > > También exists trade studies that say > with pride that 75% of the people relate co to CompañÃÂa or > Corporación and with other types of commercial activities. Ageia Densi Colombia > asks  cuà l interés > público talks about the Ministry of TecnologÃÂas of the Información and > Communications TIC, respect to the dominion co? > > Like > before we wrote down, IANA, has señalado, although not the único, one of the great ones > risks in liberalización of the Dominion co is Captura of dominions > nonexistent by substitución, which is explained in the similarity between > dominions com and co. This s!
ituación takes shape enough inthe possibility > real, of â!
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ibir†directions registered in com but nonexistent in > co which serà taken advantage of by true “piratas†electrónicos stops > to redirigir this trà fico towards pà ginas of his interés. Según the company that > administers the dominion, Co Internet SAS, expresó his posición in recognizing that > the possibility of explotación of the dominion co like comodÃÂn was detrimental and > exponÃÂa negative consequences for the security and stability of the same one. > So posición is endorsed with expresión of which proveerà n its greater effort > in implementación of good prà cticas international to avoid that such > situations appear. > > Existe > one narrows relación between the names of dominion and público©interà s. Said > relación passes to be much important and significant mà s that a mere one > consagración state, that in the Colombian case adquirió relevance in à mbitos > académicos and th!
at now returns to the arena, at moments in which its opening > widely indicates the imminence of materialización of a previous risk and > announced. > Ageia > Densi Colombia sees with preocupación that documents published by > Ministry TIC very little serves and much except the paper that is observed of > Advisory Advice for the Administración of the Dominion co in definición of > parà meters of regulación. The possibility of arguing to favor or against > teorÃÂas as the Digital SoberanÃÂa and the complexity of the handling of resources like > ccTLDs, happens to background before prominent cases like the one of the dominion > tv. Other examples abounds by montón and seems to watch great polémicas in > the case of co although many > wants to see it like great opportunities of business. > > Ageia > Densi Colombia estudiarà the true impact of decisión to liberalize > dominion co at global level; what promises to be a possibility without pre!
cedents > in the Network of Networks, can be in one situaciÃÂ!
³n confl
icting and with serious > consequences for Colombia, specially as far as its SoberanÃÂa, to which > previous experiences in situations > particular does not report the best one to him of the auguries. > > Asà> same, this process and new reality, already comenzó to being exploded > commercially, without considering the voice of Colombia, its inhabitants and > end users of Internet. “independencia†in administración of this > resource, is not seen but like an aspect that concerns a single company > prevailed. As he is frequent in Colombia, this type of decisions is banalizan to > to pass anà lisis of vital situations like this, by interés (egoÃÂsta) > of the turn governor. Sucedió in the past (Licenses to Móviles Operators) > happens and seguirà now happening in a future. > > RED JUAN MANUEL P > AGEIA DENSI Colombia > > -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK > Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > > mQGiBD8OdRwRBACEr0/NPA88qp8f6KyIMMveLQ1FOuL!
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CUI position on the subject in the list. Not to see worries it to me. > > In the profile of Antonio Medina in Facebook I saw that subio a video recently and abstracts it in pantallazo. Sera this the ACUI position? > > http://twitpic.com/1gpeat > > Serious good for knowing it > > Greetings, > > Andres Piazza > > > From: joseluis at barzallo.com > > To: andrespiazzagpj at hotmail.com; lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Subject: RE: [ lac-discuss-is ] ccTLD CO > > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:01:42 -0500 > > > > Considered > > > > Our Antonio friend can help us with its commentaries fromits óptica > > of Colombian user front to which it happens. > > > > gives a Antonio hand please Us? > > > > warm Greetings, > > > > José Luis > > > > AEDIT > > www.aedit.org.ec > > > > Colón 535 and 6 of December. > > Edif. Cristóbal Colón Of. 602 > > Telf: (593 2) 2528774/ 2544464 > > Fax: 59!
3 2 2564530 > > email: joseluis at barzallo.com > > Exempt !
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> > > > original -----Mensaje > > Of: lac-discuss-it is -bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org > > [ mailto:lac-discuss-is -bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org ] In name of Andres > > Piazza > > Sent: Thursday, 08 of April of 2010 14:15 > > For: LACRALO Español > > Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] ccTLD CO > > > > > > > > Considered, > > Something we talked in the teleconferencing passed about ccTLD CO and many > > of us we expressed ourselves on the individual. > > > > Aprovecho to copy aqui a chain of the ready Internet Governance > > Cactus. > > > > Hay to read the post office of down upwards following theThread. > > > > I must say that opinion of Carlos Afonso identifies to me. > > > > Greetings, > > > > Andres Piazza > > > > Forwarded message > > From: Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com> > > > > Date: 2010/4/8 > > Subject: Re: [ governance ] privatising ccTLDs > > To: govern!
ance at lists.cpsr.org, David Goldstein > > <goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au> > > > > > > > > This may be interesting to many ace it dog serve ace marries study from the > > > > developing world: > > > > > > > > There plows many ccTLD disparities prevalent in the developing world. > > > > For example in the marries of Pakistan, the official ccTLD for pk was > > > > given in the Time of IANA to to Pakistani based in the U.S. who there are now > > > > eats back to Pakistan. The ccTLD www.pknic.net.pk was to under an IANA > > > > allocation and wasn't shifted to the new ICANN contracting. For a > > > > country of 170 million extra population the following plows the domain > > > > registration stats where only 29557 domains have been registered: > > > > > > > > stats for PKNIC > > > > 2010-04-07: > > > > domains: 29557 > > > > nameservers: 1179 > > > > > > !
> > There is to consumer in-confidence in PKNIC, people pl!
owsreluc
tant to take > > > > over-priced domains from PKNIC. PKNIC only registers domains for a > > > > period of two years for $25 to domain whereas to TLD for dog be acquired > > > > only $16 for two years. Each Time the debates on decentralization of > > > > PKNIC you eat up, PKNIC there are connection in the high up you please and is > > > > easily able to revoke such efforts. > > > > > > > > When we started raising these issues, PKNIC invited and included some > > > > of our Civil Society members to its board of advisers andthe members > > > > fell for it and felt under honoured to be included in theboard that they > > > > forgot what the present Internet Governance problems were. They still > > > > continue to participate in the IGC but plows prone to PKNIC interests > > > > which of course is to very big drawback. > > > > > > > > PKNIC there are occasionally broken down in its !
service with outages > > > > sometimes to over weeks. Our CS members have started gaining certain > > > > interests local from PKNIC which were publicly questionedby both the > > > > and international communities visible ace publicly here: > > > > http://public.icann.org/node/343. > > > > > > > > PKNIC's monopoly cannot be broken through to public-private partnership > > > > between civil society, academy, private sector and govt > > > > to multistakeholder collaboration. The result is that people plows dwells > > > > oriented to acquire TLD domains ace to per today the total TLD domains in > > > > the country stand AT approximately: > > > > > > > > Total Domains in Pakistan: 41,380 > > > > (Source:http://www.webhosting.info/registries/country_stats/PK) > > > > > > > > IF we look AT our neighbouring country India, to their ccTLD runs ace a > > > > to multistake!
holder partnership due to which they have dwells than half a >!
> >
> million local domains. Similarly to their TLD registrations plows also AT > > > > the same to number: > > > > Total Domains in India: 559,213 > > > > (Source:http://www.webhosting.info/registries/country_stats/IN) > > > > > > > > This clearly shows that allowing ccTLD's to monopolize totheir positions > > > > in the country effect the citizens of those countries in the following > > > > ways: > > > > > > > > 1. Control not to over ccTLD monopolies > > > > 2. Access low-cost ccTLD > > > > 3. Have to buy dwells TLD instead of ccTLD > > > > 4. Less to consumer choices > > > > 5. Cost of entry to Internet/Web too high > > > > 6. Local Lesser opportunities for initiative growth (withrespect to > > > > building local online activities backed by local domains) > > > > 7. Threat to IDNs and GTLD operations when the same ccTLDoperator dog > > > > influence go!
vt and to other groups to host to their GLTDs/IDNs to under the > > > > same infrastructure. > > > > > > > > Such monopolies have to be broken otherwise ICANN will only be > > > > benefiting to handful. > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Fouad Bajwa > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 AT 4:37 A.M., David Goldstein > > > > <goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au> wrote: > > > > > Carlos, > > > > > > > > > > Any to register that registers DE domain names dog provide an address, even > > if for registrars outside Germany this dog be to headache. Nominet you have no > > restrictions I a.m. aware of. AuDA there are restrictionsthat say for com.au > > addresses the person or organisation must have an Australian business to number > > from the tax office and the name must have some relationship with to their > > work. > > > > > > > > > > > > And w!
hen there plows to over 13 million domains, such ace DE and to!
over 8
million > > (UK) it * IS * much to harder to get your preferred Domain Name than say, if > > there plows to over one million (AU and CA). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Original Message > > > > > From: Carlos To Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca> > > > > > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; David Goldstein > > <goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au> > > > > > Sent: Wed, 7 April, 2010 10:58:41 P.m. > > > > > Subject: Re: [ governance ] privatising ccTLDs > > > > > > > > > > David, some additional comments below. > > > > > > > > > > -- c.a. > > > > > > > > > > David Goldstein wrote: > > > > > > Carlos ET to, > > > > > [... ] > > > > > > for Some have to requirement to the premises contact ace part of the > >!
> > > > registration process, but this is often easily provided by a > > > > > > to register. And the given that world's to number oneccTLD and probably > > > > > > to number 2 ccTLD, DE and UK respectively, allow people from around > > > > > > the world to to register domain names in their ccTLDsand the world > > > > > > hasn't fails in, then it's not too big to problem. > > > > > > > > > > Not sure about any restrictions in Nominet (could not find specific > > > > > policy requirements in their Web site), but DENIC requires to legal > > > > > German address: "It is possible for individuals or institutions (that > > > > > have legal capacity) not located in Germany to to register de domains. > > > > > There is, to however, to condition, namely that they must appoint an > > > > > administrative contact who is resident in Germany and who you h!
ave to postcard > > > > > possible address AT which !
it is to
serve documents (i.e. not to mere P.O. > > > > > box). The administrative contact is then also the person formally > > > > > authorized by the domain to holder to receive service of official or court > > > > > documents (Zustellungsbevollmächtigter) within the meaning of the German > > > > > Code of Civil Procedure (Zivilprozessordnung) and the German Code of > > > > > Criminal Procedure (Strafprozessordnung). For The reason this measure is > > > > > to ensure that if any party there are to legal claim topursue, it is not made > > > > > dwells difficult for them by having to serve official or court documents > > > > > in another country, which is often to long, drawn-out process." > > > > > > > > > > Not sure about AuDA to either, but CIRA (Canada) does require proof of > > > > > legal Canadian citizenship or to address in Canada. > > > > > > > > !
> > > The main issue I see is that by opening up the ccTLD means it is > > > > > > to harder for residents to get to their own ccTLD domain. > > > > > > > > > > Not sure about this. Is think it might even become to easier, although they > > > > > will have to is incumbent on for certain addresses withglobal registrants. My > > > > > point is that this "internationalization" just to make money defeats the > > > > > original purpose of having ccTLDs national ace the realm of identities in > > > > > the Domain Name System. Otherwise, let U.S. all join GNSO:) > > > > > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > > > > > -- c.a. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Original Message From: Carlos To Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca> > !
> > > > > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; McTim <d!
ogwallah
@gmail.com> Sent: Wed, > > > > > > 7 April, 2010 9:11:35 P.m. Subject: Re: [ governance ] privatising ccTLDs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi McTim, I dog start by saying: cheap and quick way to get to gTLD... > > > > > >:) There is to business group which convinces to community (or to their > > > > > > government, ace I think Colombians have not had the opportunity to > > > > > > properly and widely debates this) that to their national identity on the > > > > > > Internet is not to longer relevant and let you take to over and convert > > > > > > to their ccTLD into to commodity for the international domain market. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the marries of Colombia, it is clears strange. It is to country with 44 > > > > > > million people, relatively high HDI and the third largest South > > > > > > A!
merican economy -- hard to see how this is going to generate any > > > > > > significant amount of money to benefit Colombia -- this is Officers' Club of Revolutionary Armed Forces from > > > > > > being Tuvalu. On the to other hand, given the size ofthe economy and > > > > > > Internet penetration in the country, it is hard to see how a > > > > > > non-profit self-sustainable operation to keep to their ccTLD in the > > > > > > national commons would not succeed. > > > > > > > > > > > > But this is my view and I a.m. not to Colombian (justto Latin American), > > > > > > under... But it makes me sad to know that xyz.co not to longer points to a > > > > > > Colombian Internet space. > > > > > > > > > > > > frt rgds > > > > > > > > > > > > -- c.a. > > > > > > > > > > > > McTim wrot!
e: > > >>>>> http://www.cointernet.co/ > > !
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t;>> > > >>>>> Do we have any thing to say on this? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> This type of thing would be to fruitful workshop topic IMO. > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Carlos To Afonso > > > > > CGI.br (www.cgi.br) > > > > > Nupef (www.nupef.org.br) > > > > > ==================================== > > > > > new/nuevo/novo email: ca at cafonso.ca > > > > > ==================================== > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > You received this message ace to subscriber on the list: > > > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > > > To be you remove from the list, send any message to: > > > > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > > > > > > > For all list information and !
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